thinking of switching

[maggieb]

Hi everyone,
I am thinking of switching from Atkins and would appreciate some advice. I was going to buy the SB book but it looked like half of it was recipes. The Miz Frog site seem to give a pretty good rundown of the diet.Greta site!
I have just recently started exerciseing quite a lot weights/cardio and my fitness instructor keeps telling me to up my carbs plus I really miss my fruits.
I also have a hard time eating so much fat with Atkins....so.....here I am.....
A few questions?

Do I have it right that SB does not count carbs but it is much more of a low fat approach in that you watch your saturated fats?
You control your portions and calories and see how it goes?
Would I need to go thru Phase 1 if I am in OWL in Atkins?
Have others found they can lose control and gain weight when they switch or have most lost weight when they switched?

From what I have read Phase 1 is very similar to OWL in Atkins except for the differences in fat?

Should I buy the book?

I appreciate any and all help!!

Thanks......

[Ellen-mom]

Maggie,
From what I have read, Phase one is a lot like induction on Atkins. You cut out fruit, sugar, flour, etc. But you try to keep the saturated fats down (Fry your egg in spray instead of butter, etc.)

Then after the two-four week phase 1, go on to phase 2, add back one piece of fruit (but not in the morning) brown rice, OR a small sweet potato, OR a serving of WHOLE grain bread, each day.

Am I reading the first two phases correctly for anyone who is more knowledgable than me......I am considering starting this diet this weekend.

[Kimmerz321]

Then after the two-four week phase 1, go on to phase 2, add back one piece of fruit (but not in the morning) brown rice, OR a small sweet potato, OR a serving of WHOLE grain bread, each day.

The only thing I would change about that is to not add a new carb every day. What is suggested in the book is to add things back gradually. For example, in your first week on P2, have maybe a piece of fruit every other day and see how your body reacts. If you are still losing, try a serving of couscous or some other whole grain for a week and see how your body reacts. Etc, etc. Everybody's body is going to react differently. By doing this, you'll get a good idea of what foods stall you out. For example, there aren't many fruits that I can eat without stalling, but I can have two servings of couscous a day and still lose. HTH.

[maggieb]

Thanks for info....one question....why not fruit in morning?

[SeeMyself]

Hi everyone,
I am thinking of switching from Atkins and would appreciate some advice. I was going to buy the SB book but it looked like half of it was recipes. The Miz Frog site seem to give a pretty good rundown of the diet.Greta site!
Should I buy the book?

I appreciate any and all help!!

Thanks......


Hi,

I just started the SB diet last week, so I am a newbie at it, but one thing I have done quite well is doing alot of reading and research on most of the diets. The South Beach Book is fine to read if you can borrow it from a friend or from the library, but I would not buy it. There have been alot of changes (which happens in a lot of diets as they learn more) the website you mentioned, as I am posting here:
http://www.mizfrogspad.com/south_beach_diet.htm

has the updated info, plus alot of good reading if you have the time to browse the complete site. You will get most of the info you need without having to buy the book or paying to join the SB website.

[Deshukel]

Fruit has a high glycemic index. You wouldn't want to start the day with a rising and then plummeting blood sugar, It defeats the purpose of LC.

At least that is the way I understand it. Better to have your berries at night.

[maggieb]

Thanks for all replies....I understand re no fruit in morning now...I think it would if you had it with some protein , not on it's own....I guess I will give SB a try. From what I have read I am pretty well doing it now anyway as I don't eat any fatty meat now, have to add fat to my diet, don't eat any cheese and I crave fruit.....
Have requested book from library.
Thanks again everyone! Wish me luck!

[Elsah]

Best of luck maggie! Keep the boards posted on your progress. ;)

Jenn

[Monika4]

Hi Maggie,

there are other threads on the subject. I wouldn't buy the book unless you also want to read about physiology - I think he does a nice job explaining why glycemic index is important. But it is outdated, and there are bad contradictions between the front book and the recipes.

I would recommend you go on the South Beach diet site, put in your weight etc. and email, submit, but don't go on to pay $5. They tell you what you know - you are overweight - but you will be on their email list and get daily mail - I have a junk mail account where it goes, but some of these daily tips are really useful, and update you on the changes.

I agree with some of the others in being very careful in adding phase 2 carbs. I can't have too many though right now I am experimenting with brown rice and fruit and good bread. But initially, I went too fast and stalled or gained.

The other issue - probably similar to Atkins - is that you really need to take the snacks and the water seriously. Whenever I am hungry because I don't have an allowed snack with me at work I regret it when looking at the scale. It is funny but you really have to make sure you eat enough to loose!

[Meadow_001]

I switched from Atkins to SB a few weeks ago and its been working great for me. I'd suggest doing phase 1 instead of just jumping up to phase 2. For me the snacks and desserts and the V8 juice especially added up to more carbs than I was used to and it took me a few days to adjust. SB isnt really low fat, its more low saturated fat. The book suggests low fat diary products to cut down on the saturated fat but plainly states to stay away from other foods made for the low fat crowd since they tend to add in carbs. I'm lower sat fat than I was in atkins, but I cant buy lowfat dairy that I can eat so I go full fat there if I eat any.

I'm on phase 2 now and upping my carbs with occasional oatmeal (steel cut) and havent had any issues with it. I probably should have gone with berries or something but I've been craving oatmeal for months and the last time I gave in on Atkins I gained a few pounds from 1 bowl. I'll probably try cherries or strawberries next.

I was on Atkins from late Aug 2003 until early March 2004, so around 6 months, and lost exactly 10lbs in that whole time, while sticking on the plan pretty strictly (ok.. I cheated a few times there at the end). Since I started SB I've lost 2 lbs and my clothes are to the point where I should really buy new ones cause they're so baggy. :) This leads me to believe that I gained muscle and lost fat while my weight stayed mostly the same. This is a really fast change for me since I was used to plodding along in atkins without seeing much of a difference in the fit of my clothes or my weight.

[maggieb]

Thanks for the luck Elsah! I will need it!

Monika, I did sign up at the South Beach site(didn't pay) thanks for the tip. I had an oreange today and it was sooo good :)
I do have trouble eating enough so I will watch that!

Meadow, Glad to see this new WOE is working for you. Muscle is so much nicer than fat!! Hope it does the same for me......

[Monika4]

Hi Maggie, fellow fruit addict! Good luck!

You don't have to eat a lot, just often! I sometimes simply grab an apple or an orange for snack. I am having fruit quite often now - 3-4 x a week, and some brown rice and whole grain bread, and it still seems to work.

[maggieb]

Hi Monika,


Thansk for scoop on just eating often. I do tend to graze more than big meals but yesterday I put what I ate into Fitday and I only ate 800 calories. I am on medication that tends to really reduce my appetite!!
I just bought some organic grain bread....it has 25 carbs per slice...YIKES!!!! but it sounds good.....what do you think....I have sliced it super thin so I think my slices will be more like 18 carbs.....is this what is considered good on SB?I couldn't find onfo on this and I don't have the book yet.....

Organic Grainery Bread:

Ingredients: Stone-ground whole wheat flour*, water, sour starter* (stone-ground whole wheat flour*, water), honey*, kamut*, amaranth*, soft wheat kernel*, flax seeds*, millet*, sunflower seeds*, salt, yeast*.

*Certified organic by OCPP Ontario Inc.

Nutritional Values: Serving: 50g (approx. 1 slice), Calories: 140, Fat: 2.5g, Saturated: 0g, + Trans: 0g, Cholesterol: 0mg, Sodium: 160mg, Protein: 5g, Carbohydrates: 25g, Fibre: 4g, Sugars: 3g, Vitamin A: 0%, Vitamin C: 0%, Calcium: 2%, Iron: 10%



I had a green apple today and thought I was in heaven...YUM......

[Elsah]

Maggie since you are using fitday can you please tell me what the %"s are like on the fat/protein/carbs/ calories. I can't seem to get anyone to answer me. I am asking because I am vegetarian and trying to stick with atkins through my pregnancy. I have having a horrible time keeping my calories up high enough without using heavy cream, nuts, and fat that I am really not feeling like eating. I would rather get up calories with real foods instead of oils. I just am not sure how to do it. I am trying to figure out where your fat lvls stay for someone doing SBD because mine are still around 50% everyday. I want to know where your calories come from since you aren't using fat also because that is really what I am needing to work on. Sorry to single you out, but I posted and bumped my post and still haven't found anyone to answer.

Thanks so much!
Jenn

[maggieb]

Hi Jenn, I don't mind being singled out but I am not sure if I can really help you since I just switched to Sb and not really sure what I am doing yet!

Yesterday, I reviewed what I ate and came up to 1162 calories. My breakdown was as follows:

Fat 39 %
Protein 35%
Carbs 24%

I ate Source Yogurt
Protein Powder and 1/2 cup frozen raspberries with 1/2 cup skim milk
Small Chicken Breast cooked in Olive oil with red and green peppers, celery and broccoli.
Large orange
Large Salad (romaine lettuce. radishes,celery, cucumber) with Ranch Dressing
Almonds

Hope this helps you somewhat...you are more than welcome to PM me if you like...it must be really tough to do Atkins as a Vegetarian. I would think SB would be a lot easier.

[Elsah]

Yeah I am starting to wonder that myself. hehe. I am not a fan of fried foods or grease either after growing up with steamed veggies, brown rice an tofu and soymilk. I do eat fish since I found out I was pregnant and I am trying to drop processed soy products out of my diet which is proving to make atkins almost impossible without the frozen soy 'meats'. My doctor asked me to not eat any of the protein bars, or shakes because they had noticed very large babies from women who had taken those through pregnancy (to the tune of 12 lbs plus). Since I have had 10 lb babies I dropped it faster than you can imagine!! That's also why I am dropping the fake meats. They share the same main ingredient with the bars, soy protein isolate. Anyways, I am considering a switch over but I am just worried about how I would get up my calories without fats. Plus I am so programmed to count carbs now that it's hard to think of grabbing something without measuring and counting. It's just become part of my life, like getting up and brushing my teeth in the morning. (if you know what I mean) Anyways, I look forward to seeing how you do with the switch over. Goodluck!!

Jenn

[maggieb]

HI Jenn, I can't have any soy as I have a thyroid problem so I use whey protein. What about that to up your protein and calories? I buy it at the health food store and it has virtually no carbs or fat if you get the unflavoured kind. I put it in my shakes/smoothies and it helps get my calories up......

[Elsah]

I am afraid to try any of the protein powders really after hearing that. Plus my protein is pretty high for a veggie. I'll eventually figure it out!! I know that atkins worked perfect for me and I never fried or drenched things in oil so I did atkins relatively low fat anyway not really trying to go lowfat just by eating what appeals to me. But in the longterm I would rather make and effort to go low fat. I have two younger brothers (in their 20's and one is 6'2 and weighs 140's so we aren't talking fat people) with high blood pressure, my dad has stroke lvl blood pressure at all times and none of the medications have helped for longer than a few months, his brother just died in his late 50s of a heart attack, his father died in his 50's. On my mothers side my grandfather had heart disease and had his first heart attack in his 20s, my grandmother died when they were trying to clear out her clogged arteries so........ having said that I clearly have trouble trying to embrace a diet based on consuming high amounts of fat reguardless of the logic. I might add none of them were overweight or out of shape either. So I really feel like the fats are something I need to watch. I know I'll eventually switch over to the dark side of the force LOL I just like the comfort of having #'s to aim for since it makes it easier for me to follow. Thanks so much for answering my questions maggie. :)

Jenn

[Monika4]

Maggie, the bread has honey in it - that's clearly sugar. What you have to watch for is whole grain something (wheat, rye etc.), and a warning sign is any enriched flour of any kind. My (German import) bread is 23 carbs per slice, but 6 of them fiber, 0 g sugar. I would try to find one without sugar. I have "advertised" it elsewhere with list of ingredients (search for Feldkamp, you will find it - but depending on where you live, you might not get it) .

[Monika4]

Elsah, you are really drifting into South Beach. It might be useful to read about it at the Webpage others posted here before. I found it refreshing to be on a diet that works without counting carbs or calories. Can't imagine it will take you long to get out of that habit!

I would stay away from fake stuff, bars, shakes, and stick to real food. Are you really 125 lbs wanting to gain to get to 152? That is what your profile says. Then I would seriously up your good carbs (Atkins and Agatson agree what that means - just Atkins does it only in maintenance): brown rice, whole grain pasta and bread, veggies, and most fruits. You might want to up beans, humus, other legumes, too. All those things are good regardless who you ask, even medical establishment. They are carbs but don't result in spikes like processed flour or sugar does. Let us know how it goes!

[Elsah]

You can peek at my fitday if you like and make any suggestions that would help me figure out how to make it more SBD than atkins while keeping up calories. I fill it out religiously. I am pregnant so yes. I am wanting to gain a healthy amount of weight while pregnant. :) I am following maint. plan of atkins now which there was a link from one of the atkins developers with the amounts of carb/protein/calories and such recommended for a healthy pregnancy and that has been what I have been following. I printed off 2 weeks worth of menus for my last doctors visit and my doctor is happy with how I have been eating so that reassured me that I can safely stay maint lvl and healthy while pregnant. Any advice is welcomed.

Jenn

[maggieb]

Thanks Monika, I should have known that the honey is a no no! Oh well, back to the drawing board! FOr the small amount I will eat, maybe one or two slices a week...it will have to do for now, hope it doesn't affect me too much...and then I will look again....the scale did say I had lost 1.5 lbs this morning so I will keep my fingers crossed ! I have been in a stall for 6 wwks weight wise but I have been losing inches......

[Elsah]

One of the Ezekiel breads is made with no honey, I can't remember which one though. I think it's the original flavor. You might check that one out.

Jenn

[Deshukel]

Has anyone tries the Aunt Hatties LC bread?

[maggieb]

I will check out these breads but in Canada we don;t get the same stuff....

I have finally started a journal!!! I have been on this baord for six months and never started one but finally figured I should since I made the big leap to SB. It will be a good way to track what I do and see if I really do make major errors and gain weight or if I do it right and can help others :)

[pstar]

Over the almost 3 months I've been doing SBD, I've tried and wasted money(thrown out) on many different breads. I've tried a couple of the LC breads, 4 or five different 'whole grain' breads, et. The one we've finally settled on is Roman Meal even though it has a 2 of grams of sugar(from high fructose corn syrup). It's 13 gr carbs and 1 gram fiber per slice. Most of the other so called 'whole grain' breads I've tried contained 18 to 30 grams of carbs. It has the additional benefit of costing less than any of the others I've tried and my DW/DD like it also. No white bread in our house in a long time. I also buy Oroweat Dark Rye...Great for open face sandwitches. The other bread type item I use is Oroweat whole wheat english muffins...even though they have a bit of honey in them. I have found that it isn't the little bit of honey that might be in the bread products that has a bad affect on me...it's the number of times I have it per week. I try to only have it once a day for the most part. If I have an english muffin for breakfast, that's usually it for the day. I do sometimes have a piece of toast with my eggs and then 1 piece of bread with tuna, etc. for lunch...I never have a bread item after lunch though.

[maggieb]

Hi pstar,When I was on Atkins I tried the Orowheat Multigrain and the whole family really liked it! But I thought it was a no no on the beach 'cause it is made with "enriched" whole wheat. If that would do I would be qiute happy 'cause I don't eat much bread anyway and to tell you the truth when I bought this other stuff I was kinda aghast at 25 carbs!!!!:nono: My poor LC mind just shuddered!!!

[maggieb]

PS I live in booneyville Ontario and we don't have much LC choices. I was quite happy to get the Oroweat!

[noplace]

Don't all breads that rise have to have some form of sugar or another in them to activate the yeast?

Christina (NoPlaceLikeRoam)