actual time between eating and seeing either fat or muscle

[Jeff]

I have searched Google but can't find an answer to a simple
(OK, not so simple) question: What is the approx. time (in
hours or days) between eating and seeing either fat or muscle
appear on your body? My girlfriend is a workout monster, but
also very nervous about everything "bad" she eats. She thinks
eating a piece of apple pie for dessert will "appear" on her
body as fat the next morning, or she will "gain a pound!" I
think it takes AT LEAST 24 hours for this to happen, if not
possibly as long as a week. (It also must be true that 90% of
the pie calories are burned off for normal metabolism, and
perhaps more, especially after running for 30 mts. and doing
15 mts. of crunches every morning!). How long does it take to
appear as weight (fat or muscle)? Anybody? Thanks, Jeff
p.s. I'm an English major who doesn't know his DNA for his
RNA, so go easy on me! Just your best guess of the
elapsed time in hours, give or take. Thanks!

[Pizza Girl]

If she has been working out aerobically for many years her
metabolism will probably be quite high. Usually this takes
about five years to drop leaving the recipient staring at the
scales in wonderment why they haven't changed anything in
their routine and they are gaining weight like crazy.

If her metabolism is high the sugars will probably make her
lose weight the next day because of body confusion. This
cannot be repeated for very long without negative
consequences.

"Jeff" <jeffkmyers@att.net> wrote in message
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> I have searched Google but can't find an answer to a simple
> (OK, not so simple) question: What is the approx. time (in
> hours or days) between eating and seeing either fat or
> muscle appear on your body? My girlfriend is a workout
> monster, but also very nervous about everything "bad" she
> eats. She thinks eating a piece of apple pie for dessert
> will "appear" on her body as fat the next morning, or she
> will "gain a pound!" I think it takes AT LEAST 24 hours for
> this to happen, if not possibly as long as a week. (It also
> must be true that 90% of the pie calories are burned off for
> normal metabolism, and perhaps more, especially after
> running for 30 mts. and doing 15 mts. of crunches every
> morning!). How long does it take to appear as weight (fat or
> muscle)? Anybody? Thanks, Jeff
> p.s. I'm an English major who doesn't know his DNA for his
> RNA, so go easy on me! Just your best guess of the
> elapsed time in hours, give or take. Thanks!

[Jeff]

"Jeff" <jeffkmyers@att.net> wrote in message
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> I have searched Google but can't find an answer to a simple
> (OK, not so simple) question: What is the approx. time (in
> hours or days) between eating and seeing either fat or
> muscle appear on your body? My girlfriend is a workout
> monster, but also very nervous about everything "bad" she
> eats. She thinks eating a piece of apple pie for dessert
> will "appear" on her body as fat the next morning, or she
> will "gain a pound!" I think it takes AT LEAST 24 hours for
> this to happen, if not possibly as long as a week. (It also
> must be true that 90% of the pie calories are burned off for
> normal metabolism, and perhaps more, especially after
> running for 30 mts. and doing 15 mts. of crunches every
> morning!). How long does it take to appear as weight (fat or
> muscle)? Anybody?

IF she eats something, the except the calories that are
immediately used, the calories will mostly be stored in the
liver as fat or glycogen (sugars are stored as glycogen, fats
as fats, and extra protein not used for building muscle,
brain, etc., as fat or glycogen). Eventually, if you don't
burn it up, it will move to the muscles or fat cells or fuel
storage. One of the liver's jobs is to absorb extra calories
after a meal and to release them at times of need, like
overnight, during excercise and between meals. I don't know
the exact time course, but I imagine that extra desert, etc.,
is converted into fat rather quickly, like hours to a day or
two, depending on the quantity and metabolism and immediate
metabolic needs of the person.

BTW, the actual answer doesn't really matter too much. If you
take in more calories than you use, the calories are converted
to fat. Calories gained = calories taken in - calories burned.
And calories get converted to fat if not used.

Jeff

> Thanks, Jeff
> p.s. I'm an English major who doesn't know his DNA for his
> RNA, so go easy on me! Just your best guess of the
> elapsed time in hours, give or take. Thanks!

[Mxsmanic]

Jeff writes:

> I have searched Google but can't find an answer to a simple
> (OK, not so simple) question: What is the approx. time (in
> hours or days) between eating and seeing either fat or
> muscle appear on your body?

The changes are almost immediate, but they are so small that
it takes a while before they become visible.

> My girlfriend is a workout monster, but also very nervous
> about everything "bad" she eats. She thinks eating a piece
> of apple pie for dessert will "appear" on her body as fat
> the next morning, or she will "gain a pound!"

Sounds like she needs to learn a lot more about human
physiology, and stop relying on superstition.

> I think it takes AT LEAST 24 hours for this to happen, if
> not possibly as long as a week.

No, it can happen right away. But the change is often too
small to detect, and it is masked by much larger daily
changes, such as shifts in hydration (loss or gain of
water weight--remember, the human body is mostly water, so
even a slight change in water balance can produce a big
shift in weight).

> It also must be true that 90% of the pie calories are burned
> off for normal metabolism, and perhaps more, especially
> after running for 30 mts. and doing 15 mts. of crunches
> every morning!

Calories from a specific food item aren't burned off with any
special preference. However, calories from _somewhere_ are
burned, and it all evens out. So burning a number of calories
equal to the content of a pie effectively "burns the pie."

> How long does it take to appear as weight (fat or muscle)?

Almost immediately for fat, a few days for muscle. But
remember, the changes are too small to reliably detect over
such short periods. You have to look at periods of weeks or
months instead.

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[Mxsmanic]

Pizza Girl writes:

> If she has been working out aerobically for many years her
> metabolism will probably be quite high.

Frequent workouts do not change basal metabolism.

> If her metabolism is high the sugars will probably make her
> lose weight the next day because of body confusion.

Sugar will eventually be turned to fat, if the energy is not
used promptly.

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[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow Jeff rambled on about "actual
time between eating and seeing either fat or muscle." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>She thinks eating a piece of apple pie for dessert will
>"appear" on her body as fat the next morning, or she will
>"gain a pound!" I think it takes AT LEAST 24 hours for this
>to happen, if not possibly as long as a week.

Actually, I was under the impression that food has weight.
And, thus, your body immediately experiences a weight gain
from the act of eating food. Men and Black II had a charming
video on this. Don't you go to the movies?

Food obviously contains a large volume of water which will be
excreted within 24 hours. What ever food is not burned up
running and maintaining the body will either end up as muscle
or as fat depending upon your activities and activity levels.

Aerobic exercise does not build muscle, so unless burned off
will end up as fat.

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

[Mxsmanic]

John 'the Man' writes:

> Actually, I was under the impression that food has weight.
> And, thus, your body immediately experiences a weight gain
> from the act of eating food.

True, but much of it is rapidly lost again.

> Food obviously contains a large volume of water which will
> be excreted within 24 hours. What ever food is not burned
> up running and maintaining the body will either end up as
> muscle or as fat depending upon your activities and
> activity levels.

True, except for the indigestible part of food, which is
excreted along with the water it contains.

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[Doug Frees]

Pizza Girl wrote:

>
> If her metabolism is high the sugars will probably make her
> lose weight the next day because of body confusion. This
> cannot be repeated for very long without negative
> consequences.

Hmm "body confusion" - a good solid scientific principle. Do
you simply make this crap up on the fly, use a Ouji board or
smoke the weed?

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow Mxsmanic rambled on about "Re:
actual time between eating and seeing either fat or muscle."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>John 'the Man' writes:
>
>> Actually, I was under the impression that food has weight.
>> And, thus, your body immediately experiences a weight gain
>> from the act of eating food.
>
>True, but much of it is rapidly lost again.
>
>> Food obviously contains a large volume of water which will
>> be excreted within 24 hours. What ever food is not burned
>> up running and maintaining the body will either end up as
>> muscle or as fat depending upon your activities and
>> activity levels.
>
>True, except for the indigestible part of food, which is
>excreted along with the water it contains.

Where there it is!

I was right all along. :)

Just thought that you might want to know. :)

[Pizza Girl]

"Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
builders, weight lifters, athletes in general and dieters.
You ignorance and/or lack of experience does not make it
more unsound.

"Doug Freese" <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Pizza Girl wrote:
>
> >
> > If her metabolism is high the sugars will probably make
> > her lose weight
the
> > next day because of body confusion. This cannot be
> > repeated for very
long
> > without negative consequences.
>
> Hmm "body confusion" - a good solid scientific principle. Do
> you simply make this crap up on the fly, use a Ouji board or
> smoke the weed?
>
> --
> Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

[Ron Ritzma]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:47:30 +0100, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Pizza Girl writes:
>
>> If she has been working out aerobically for many years her
>> metabolism will probably be quite high.
>
>Frequent workouts do not change basal metabolism.

Unless you're in a coma or extremely sedentary, basal
metabolism doesn't really mean that much. Frequent workouts
increase total calories burned. The question is, how long can
the average person keep it up?.

>Sugar will eventually be turned to fat, if the energy is not
>used promptly.

Only if glycogen stores are full. People forget that the body
has other ways to store calories besides fat cells. An active
person is more likely to store excess calories as glycogen,
intermuscular triglycerides, and creatine phosphate then in
adipose tissue. Ironically, in the short term this means more
weight gain per excess calories then if they were stored in
fat but in the long run this minimizes excess fat. (but
doesn't prevent it if you are still overeating)

However, try telling this to your average weight obsessed
female who lives and dies by a number on a bathroom scale.

[Mxsmanic]

Ron Ritzman writes:

> Unless you're in a coma or extremely sedentary, basal
> metabolism doesn't really mean that much. Frequent workouts
> increase total calories burned. The question is, how long
> can the average person keep it up?.

And that is a _very_ important question, because successful
weight control means adopting a lifestyle that you can
maintain _permanently_, not a frenzied and artificial
"fat-burning" regimen that you plan to abandon as soon as you
lose x pounds of ugly fat. If you don't maintain a lifestyle
(eating and exercise) that holds calories down to match your
desired weight, you'll just get fat again. But few fat dieters
seem to understand this (I don't know if they are just stupid,
or if they are being willfully obtuse).

> Only if glycogen stores are full.

Glycogen can only hold 2000-3000 kcal, and some fat people can
go through several times that each day.

Besides, glycogen is even bulkier than fat, so if you are
constantly carrying a lot of glycogen around, that contributes
to fatness, although 2000 kcal doesn't contribute very much.

> However, try telling this to your average weight obsessed
> female who lives and dies by a number on a bathroom scale.

A common mistake is to fret over daily changes in weight. I
ignore daily changes and typically look only at overall
monthly trends.

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[Mxsmanic]

Pizza Girl writes:

> "Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
> builders, weight lifters, athletes in general and dieters.

None of whom generally knows anything about human physiology.

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[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:44:12 GMT, "Pizza Girl"
<abuse@hotmail.com> posted:

>"Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
>builders, weight lifters, athletes in general and dieters.
>You ignorance and/or lack of experience does not make it
>more unsound.

So you can't define it?

That's the skeptics' motto: "If they can't define it (with
units) it's bullshit!" :)

>"Doug Freese" <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:0G37c.1819$1C1.1167253@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>
>>
>> Pizza Girl wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If her metabolism is high the sugars will probably make
>> > her lose weight
>the
>> > next day because of body confusion. This cannot be
>> > repeated for very
>long
>> > without negative consequences.
>>
>> Hmm "body confusion" - a good solid scientific principle.
>> Do you simply make this crap up on the fly, use a Ouji
>> board or smoke the weed?
>>
>> --
>> Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com
>

[Doug Frees]

Pizza Girl wrote:

> "Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
> builders, weight lifters, athletes in general and dieters.
> You ignorance and/or lack of experience does not make it
> more unsound.

I am very athletic and if you are using body builders and
weight lifters as evidence you are really living is a mythical
world. To be fair I would enjoy being pointed to some relevant
work that provides some details of this "confusion." To cite
iron heads as authority is like sayin TC understands nutrition
and Dahmer was a vegetarian.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

[Pizza Girl]

Who would you quote for exercise references? Your doctor
or dentist?

The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
bodybuilders to advance their muscle size. (of course you
would know all this since it was developed back in 1960 and
you have been doing a pushup from time to time). This also
applies to other things in life such as low fat diets. Try
eating a greasy pizza the night before weighing in and see
for yourself.

Weider prinicple #8? Muscle Confusion Principle (Muscles
accommodate to a specific type of stress ("habituate" or
"plateau") when you continually apply the same stress to your
muscles over time, so you must constantly vary exercises,
sets, reps and weight to avoid accommodation)

"Doug Freese" <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Pizza Girl wrote:
>
> > "Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
> > builders,
weight
> > lifters, athletes in general and dieters. You ignorance
> > and/or lack of experience does not make it more unsound.
>
> I am very athletic and if you are using body builders and
> weight lifters as evidence you are really living is a
> mythical world. To be fair I would enjoy being pointed to
> some relevant work that provides some details of this
> "confusion." To cite iron heads as authority is like sayin
> TC understands nutrition and Dahmer was a vegetarian.
>
> --
> Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

[Moosh:)]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:19:01 GMT, "Pizza Girl"
<abuse@hotmail.com> posted:

>Who would you quote for exercise references? Your doctor
>or dentist?
>
>The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
>bodybuilders to advance their muscle size. (of course you
>would know all this since it was developed back in 1960 and
>you have been doing a pushup from time to time). This also
>applies to other things in life such as low fat diets. Try
>eating a greasy pizza the night before weighing in and see
>for yourself.
>
>Weider prinicple #8? Muscle Confusion Principle (Muscles
>accommodate to a specific type of stress ("habituate" or
>"plateau") when you continually apply the same stress to your
>muscles over time, so you must constantly vary exercises,
>sets, reps and weight to avoid accommodation)
>

Must be right then....

>
>"Doug Freese" <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:vZg7c.1865$1C1.1397293@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>
>>
>> Pizza Girl wrote:
>>
>> > "Body confusion" is a well accepted principle among body
>> > builders,
>weight
>> > lifters, athletes in general and dieters. You ignorance
>> > and/or lack of experience does not make it more unsound.
>>
>> I am very athletic and if you are using body builders and
>> weight lifters as evidence you are really living is a
>> mythical world. To be fair I would enjoy being pointed to
>> some relevant work that provides some details of this
>> "confusion." To cite iron heads as authority is like sayin
>> TC understands nutrition and Dahmer was a vegetarian.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com
>

[Mattlb]

Pizza Girl wrote:
>
> Who would you quote for exercise references? Your doctor or
> dentist?
>
> The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
> bodybuilders to advance their muscle size.

And has nothing to do with sugars making you lose weight,
which is what you originally claimed.

> (of course you would know all this since it was developed
> back in 1960 and you have been doing a pushup from time to
> time). This also applies to other things in life such as low
> fat diets.

How does muscle confusion apply to low fat diets?

> Try eating a greasy pizza the night before weighing in and
> see for yourself.

Do greasy pizzas not confuse muscles then?

MattLB

[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow MattLB rambled on about "Re:
actual time between eating and seeing either fat or muscle."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>> The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
>> bodybuilders to advance their muscle size.
>
>And has nothing to do with sugars making you lose weight,
>which is what you originally claimed.

What does the unnecessary duplicant have to do with real
exercise?

Go back to your yoga, .... WIMP!

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Just thought that you might want to know. :)

[Pizza Girl]

I am very sorry you cannot follow a thread.

"MattLB" <mattlb@FAKEBITangelfire.com> wrote in message
news:405ED4C5.1F7E638F@FAKEBITangelfire.com...
> Pizza Girl wrote:
> >
> > Who would you quote for exercise references? Your doctor
> > or dentist?
> >
> > The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
> > bodybuilders
to
> > advance their muscle size.
>
> And has nothing to do with sugars making you lose weight,
> which is what you originally claimed.
>
> > (of course you would know all this since it was developed
> > back in 1960 and you have been doing a pushup from time to
time).
> > This also applies to other things in life such as low fat
> > diets.
>
> How does muscle confusion apply to low fat diets?
>
> > Try eating a greasy pizza the night before weighing in and
> > see for
yourself.
>
> Do greasy pizzas not confuse muscles then?
>
> MattLB

[Mattlb]

"Pizza Girl" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am very sorry you cannot follow a thread.

It's your refusal to stop top-posting despite being asked you
should be sorry about. Specious statements about threading
can't disguise the fact you contradicted yourself and are
unwilling/unable to back up your claims.

MattLB

[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow MattLB rambled on about "Re:
actual time between eating and seeing either fat or muscle."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>It's your refusal to stop top-posting despite being asked you
>should be sorry about. Specious statements about threading
>can't disguise the fact you contradicted yourself and are
>unwilling/unable to back up your claims.
>
>MattLB

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Could be why she is called: Pizza Girl?

Get a life, .... Oh, unnecessary duplicant without a life!

Do something useful today, ... exercise.

And, I don't mean your wimpy yoga!

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

[Moosh:)]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:59:22 GMT, "Pizza Girl"
<abuse@hotmail.com> posted:

>I am very sorry you cannot follow a thread.

Is that your stock response when your silly utterances are
questioned?

>
>"MattLB" <mattlb@FAKEBITangelfire.com> wrote in message
>news:405ED4C5.1F7E638F@FAKEBITangelfire.com...
>> Pizza Girl wrote:
>> >
>> > Who would you quote for exercise references? Your doctor
>> > or dentist?
>> >
>> > The body confusion principle is one defined by Weider for
>> > bodybuilders
>to
>> > advance their muscle size.
>>
>> And has nothing to do with sugars making you lose weight,
>> which is what you originally claimed.
>>
>> > (of course you would know all this since it was
>> > developed back in 1960 and you have been doing a pushup
>> > from time to
>time).
>> > This also applies to other things in life such as low fat
>> > diets.
>>
>> How does muscle confusion apply to low fat diets?
>>
>> > Try eating a greasy pizza the night before weighing in
>> > and see for
>yourself.
>>
>> Do greasy pizzas not confuse muscles then?
>>
>> MattLB

[Jeff]

IF she eats something, the except the calories that are
immediately used,
> the calories will mostly be stored in the liver as fat or
> glycogen (sugars are stored as glycogen, fats as fats, and
> extra protein not used for building muscle, brain, etc., as
> fat or glycogen). Eventually, if you don't burn it up, it
> will move to the muscles or fat cells or fuel storage. One
> of the liver's jobs is to absorb extra calories after a meal
> and to release them at times of need, like overnight, during
> excercise and between meals. I don't know the exact time
> course, but I imagine that extra desert, etc., is converted
> into fat rather quickly, like hours to a day or two,
> depending on the quantity and metabolism and immediate
> metabolic needs of the person.
>
> BTW, the actual answer doesn't really matter too much.
> If you take in more calories than you use, the calories
> are converted to fat. Calories gained = calories taken
> in - calories burned. And calories get converted to fat
> if not used.

Thanks! That's pretty much what I was looking for,
answer-wise. Didn't know others have issues! Jeff