Steroids (before/after pix) for Ben Johnson & Barry Bonds

[Bart Boy]

Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben Johnson
& Barry Bonds before/after steroids?

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[Lee Michae]

"bart boy" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
message
news:20040213161555.75812.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com...
>
>
> Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
> Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?
>
For Barry Bonds, the appropriate measurement would be piles of
money. He made more money after the steriods.

[Harry Mofo]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:15:55 -0800 (PST), bart boy
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

>Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben Johnson
>& Barry Bonds before/after steroids?

Here is Ben before:

http://www.alice.org/bvw02fall/classPics/class%20pics/Ben%20J-
ohnson.jpg

and after:

http://www.tv.cbc.ca/witness/doping/ben.jpg

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Harry

[Rerics]

Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<g3aq20pdlre8gerch1mo15i486ra3i7tdq@4ax.com>...
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:15:55 -0800 (PST), bart boy
> <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> >Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
> >Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?

Here's some representative pics of Barry:

Rookie Barry (1986): http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecards/-
barry-bonds-rookie-card.shtml

Mid-'90's Barry:
http://members.tripod.com/~protherj/bblimages/bonds.gif

1998 Barry: http://rangers.siegler.net/images/players/ivanrod-
riguez/pudge98allstar2.jpg

2003 Barry: http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_Wee-
k/Week_Of_05-19_05-23/03_05_19/Images/Bonds_Barry.JPG

And for laughs, future retired Barry: http://www.seventh-inni-
ng-stretch.com/images/nesting-dolls/bonds.jpg

But seriously, even though one could make a case for steroid
use to account for changes in Barry's physique over the
years, these changes are possible through a disciplined
workout and nutrition regimen. The gradual changes seen up
through the late '90's could be explained by adequate
training plus normal muscular "filling out" one might
experience in their early 20's (I did). The more abrupt
changes seen in the last 6 years can be explained by the much
more intense and disciplined methods he claims to be using.
Frankly, these changes don't look as abrupt as I had assumed,
and again, could be explained through legitimate means. I may
be way off base on this, and I wouldn't bet the house on it,
but until proven otherwise, I'm going to have to give Barry
the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Rerics

[Gps]

Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> "bart boy" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
> message
> news:20040213161555.75812.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com...
> >
> >
> > Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
> > Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?
> >
> For Barry Bonds, the appropriate measurement would be piles
> of money. He made more money after the steriods.

Evidence please.
ps

[Mjl]

On 13 Feb 2004 15:19:17 -0800, mccres@aol.com (rerics) wrote:

>Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:<g3aq20pdlre8gerch1mo15i486ra3i7tdq@4ax.com>...
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:15:55 -0800 (PST), bart boy
>> <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>
>> >Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
>> >Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?
>
>Here's some representative pics of Barry:
>
>Rookie Barry (1986): http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecards-
>/barry-bonds-rookie-card.shtml
>
>Mid-'90's Barry:
>http://members.tripod.com/~protherj/bblimages/bonds.gif
>
>1998 Barry: http://rangers.siegler.net/images/players/ivanro-
>driguez/pudge98allstar2.jpg
>
>2003 Barry: http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_We-
>ek/Week_Of_05-19_05-23/03_05_19/Images/Bonds_Barry.JPG
>
>And for laughs, future retired Barry: http://www.seventh-inn-
>ing-stretch.com/images/nesting-dolls/bonds.jpg
>
>But seriously, even though one could make a case for steroid
>use to account for changes in Barry's physique over the
>years, these changes are possible through a disciplined
>workout and nutrition regimen. The gradual changes seen up
>through the late '90's could be explained by adequate
>training plus normal muscular "filling out" one might
>experience in their early 20's (I did). The more abrupt
>changes seen in the last 6 years can be explained by the much
>more intense and disciplined methods he claims to be using.
>Frankly, these changes don't look as abrupt as I had assumed,
>and again, could be explained through legitimate means. I may
>be way off base on this, and I wouldn't bet the house on it,
>but until proven otherwise, I'm going to have to give Barry
>the benefit of the doubt on this one.
>
>Rerics

Yes, it is possible.

A athlete with NO other responsibility other than to get
better at baseball certainly could bulk up significantly. Add
in the fact that he is very wealthy and you could have "the
prison effect".

[Gps]

rerics wrote:
>
> Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<g3aq20pdlre8gerch1mo15i486ra3i7tdq@4ax.com>...
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:15:55 -0800 (PST), bart boy
> > <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> >
> > >Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
> > >Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?
>
> Here's some representative pics of Barry:
>
> Rookie Barry (1986): http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecard-
> s/barry-bonds-rookie-card.shtml
>
> Mid-'90's Barry:
> http://members.tripod.com/~protherj/bblimages/bonds.gif
>
> 1998 Barry: http://rangers.siegler.net/images/players/ivanr-
> odriguez/pudge98allstar2.jpg
>
> 2003 Barry: http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_W-
> eek/Week_Of_05-19_05-23/03_05_19/Images/Bonds_Barry.JPG
>
> And for laughs, future retired Barry: http://www.seventh-in-
> ning-stretch.com/images/nesting-dolls/bonds.jpg
>
> But seriously, even though one could make a case for steroid
> use to account for changes in Barry's physique over the
> years, these changes are possible through a disciplined
> workout and nutrition regimen. The gradual changes seen up
> through the late '90's could be explained by adequate
> training plus normal muscular "filling out" one might
> experience in their early 20's (I did). The more abrupt
> changes seen in the last 6 years can be explained by the
> much more intense and disciplined methods he claims to be
> using. Frankly, these changes don't look as abrupt as I had
> assumed, and again, could be explained through legitimate
> means. I may be way off base on this, and I wouldn't bet the
> house on it, but until proven otherwise, I'm going to have
> to give Barry the benefit of the doubt on this one.
>
> Rerics

It's entirely possible he uses; however, it is entirely
possible your reasonable explanation above is true as well. I
think people often overlook the advantages an athlete such as
this has in building mass, both genetically and economically.
Someone such as Bonds clearly has a high % of fast twitch
muscle fiber to begin with, which will add mass more easily
than someone with a more even distribution of muscle fiber
types (iow, mere mortals like the people who accuse him of
drug use). Also, he has the economic capacity to pay people to
purchase, prepare, and serve him the best food, to pay the
best trainers, purchase the best equipment, and no other job
to perform in the off season than getting ready for the
regular season.

[Robert Sch]

rerics wrote:

> Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<g3aq20pdlre8gerch1mo15i486ra3i7tdq@4ax.com>...
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:15:55 -0800 (PST), bart boy
> > <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> >
> > >Is there a side-by-side presentation of photos of Ben
> > >Johnson & Barry Bonds before/after steroids?
>
> Here's some representative pics of Barry:
>
> Rookie Barry (1986): http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecard-
> s/barry-bonds-rookie-card.shtml
>
> Mid-'90's Barry:
> http://members.tripod.com/~protherj/bblimages/bonds.gif
>
> 1998 Barry: http://rangers.siegler.net/images/players/ivanr-
> odriguez/pudge98allstar2.jpg
>
> 2003 Barry: http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_W-
> eek/Week_Of_05-19_05-23/03_05_19/Images/Bonds_Barry.JPG
>
> And for laughs, future retired Barry: http://www.seventh-in-
> ning-stretch.com/images/nesting-dolls/bonds.jpg
>
> But seriously, even though one could make a case for steroid
> use to account for changes in Barry's physique over the
> years, these changes are possible through a disciplined
> workout and nutrition regimen. The gradual changes seen up
> through the late '90's could be explained by adequate
> training plus normal muscular "filling out" one might
> experience in their early 20's (I did). The more abrupt
> changes seen in the last 6 years can be explained by the
> much more intense and disciplined methods he claims to be
> using. Frankly, these changes don't look as abrupt as I had
> assumed, and again, could be explained through legitimate
> means. I may be way off base on this, and I wouldn't bet the
> house on it, but until proven otherwise, I'm going to have
> to give Barry the benefit of the doubt on this one.
>
> Rerics

If anyone believes that Barry Bonds was clean after this
latest case, then you are living in a world with HUGE rose
colored glasses. It is going to come out from the grand
jury testimony that he got them from his trainer. I am not
saying he was wrong, just that he used them. I think that
any adult should be able to use whatever he/she wants to in
their own body.

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