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Nick
Sun, Feb-01-04, 06:09
Great "study" you found there. It demonstrates the lack of
"science" in many of these "studies." Humans are omnivores,
but if you cook cholesterol while exposed to air, or eat too
much PUFA (something that would have been impossible for early
humans, though later on, some humans like Eskimos did eat a
lot of PUFAs - and rarely lived beyond that age of 40, because
free radicals tore them apart), you will damage yourself over
time. I've got anthropology books that note how early humans
used palm and coconut for a good chunk of their caloric
intake, and there's a huge amount of saturated fatty acids in
them. Most of the lame asses who call themselves "experts"
will tell you that lard is a "saturated fat," when in fact
they can go to the USDA database on the web and see for
themselves that it is less than 40% saturated fatty acids.
I've been reading recipes in my local newspaper, and unless
there is butter in it, the fat to saturated fat ratio is
similar, no matter if it's pork, beef, vegetarian, chicken,
etc., and certainly not enough to make any real difference.
Interestingly, the "Med diet" recipes are usually much higher
in calories. If you listen to such morons as those who wrote
this study, you will be taking your life in your hands.

George W. Cherry posted:

"1: Comp Biochem Physiol A Mol Integr Physiol. 2003
Sep;136(1):141-51.

The Garden of Eden--plant based diets, the genetic drive to
conserve cholesterol and its implications for heart disease in
the 21st century.

Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Connelly PW,
Jones PJ, Vuksan
V.

Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center, St.
Michael's Hospital, 61 Queen Street East, Ont., M5C 2T2,
Toronto, Canada.

It is likely that plant food consumption throughout much of
human evolution shaped the dietary requirements of
contemporary humans. Diets would have been high in dietary
fiber, vegetable protein, plant sterols and associated
phytochemicals, and low in saturated and trans-fatty acids and
other substrates for cholesterol biosynthesis. To meet the
body's needs for cholesterol, we believe genetic differences
and polymorphisms were conserved by evolution, which tended to
raise serum cholesterol levels. As a result modern man, with a
radically different diet and lifestyle, especially in middle
age, is now recommended to take medications to lower
cholesterol and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease.
Experimental introduction of high intakes of viscous fibers,
vegetable proteins and plant sterols in the form of a possible
Myocene diet of leafy vegetables, fruit and nuts, lowered
serum LDL-cholesterol in healthy volunteers by over 30%,
equivalent to first generation statins, the standard
cholesterol-lowering medications. Furthermore, supplementation
of a modern therapeutic diet in hyperlipidemic subjects with
the same components taken as oat, barley and psyllium for
viscous fibers, soy and almonds for vegetable proteins and
plant sterol-enriched margarine produced similar reductions in
LDL-cholesterol as the Myocene-like diet and reduced the
majority of subjects' blood lipids concentrations into the
normal range. We conclude that reintroduction of plant food
components, which would have been present in large quantities
in the plant based diets eaten throughout most of human
evolution into modern diets can correct the lipid
abnormalities associated with contemporary eating patterns and
reduce the need for pharmacological interventions.

PMID: 14527636 [PubMed - in process]"

Tcomeau
Sun, Feb-01-04, 14:57
<snip>

>
> George W. Cherry posted:
>
> "1: Comp Biochem Physiol A Mol Integr Physiol. 2003
> Sep;136(1):141-51.
>
> The Garden of Eden--plant based diets, the genetic drive to
> conserve cholesterol and its implications for heart disease
> in the 21st century.
>
> Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Connelly PW,
> Jones PJ, Vuksan
> V.
>
> Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center, St.
> Michael's Hospital, 61 Queen Street East, Ont., M5C 2T2,
> Toronto, Canada.
>
> It is likely that plant food consumption throughout much of
> human evolution shaped the dietary requirements of
> contemporary humans.

How is it likely that "plant food consumption throughout much
of human evolution shaped the dietary requirements of
contemporary humans"? In who's imagination? This last sentence
is a silly assumption that destroys any scientific validity
that this "study" may have pretended to have.

Man is and has always been a primarily carnivorous omnivore.

TC

John 'The
Sun, Feb-01-04, 14:57
Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "Re: Re
Plant based diet.." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>> It is likely that plant food consumption throughout much of
>> human evolution shaped the dietary requirements of
>> contemporary humans.

>In who's imagination? This last sentence is a silly
>assumption that destroys any scientific validity that this
>"study" may have pretended to have.

>Man is and has always been a primarily carnivorous omnivore.

Perhaps, if you were to stop making oxymoronic statements?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

I think filling your belly with anything to stop hunger pains
would cover plant food consumption throughout much of human
evolution.

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

Common sense ain't too common. :(

George W.
Sun, Feb-01-04, 14:57
"tcomeau" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b550f406.0402010956.721149de@posting.google.com...
> <snip>
>
> >
> > George W. Cherry posted:
> >
> > "1: Comp Biochem Physiol A Mol Integr Physiol. 2003
> > Sep;136(1):141-51.
> >
> > The Garden of Eden--plant based diets, the genetic drive
> > to conserve cholesterol and its implications for heart
> > disease in the 21st century.
> >
> > Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Connelly
> > PW, Jones PJ,
Vuksan
> > V.
> >
> > Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center,
> > St. Michael's Hospital, 61 Queen Street East, Ont., M5C
> > 2T2, Toronto, Canada.
> >
> > It is likely that plant food consumption throughout much
> > of human
evolution
> > shaped the dietary requirements of contemporary humans.
>
> How is it likely that "plant food consumption throughout
> much of human evolution shaped the dietary requirements of
> contemporary humans"? In who's imagination? This last
> sentence is a silly assumption that destroys any scientific
> validity that this "study" may have pretended to have.
>
> Man is and has always been a primarily carnivorous omnivore.

How is it likely that "Man is and has always been a primarily
carnivorous omnivore"? In who's imagination? This sentence is
a silly assumption that destroys any credibility that its
writer may have pretended to have.

George

markd
Sun, Feb-01-04, 19:10
Humans have an omnivores diet adaptation and have had so for
at least 2 million years; depending on when the homo line
started. The principle content of their diet has reflected
what was in the environment at the place they lived; they ate
anything they could get their hands on and do so still. It was
the adoption of an omnivores diet that allowed humans to
inhabit most parts of the globe, and by approximately 500,000
years ago to live anywhere with the adoption of fire as a
controlled tool. In higher latitudes animals were consumed
more as a trend and aquatic venues very likely were flesh
intensive places of consumption. Animal consumption is a
product of the complexity of the food chain that an
environment can support. With the development of agriculture
humans tended to modify their environment to support plant
production at the expense of the complex habitats there
before; where climate and terrain allowed. Even then, the
truism remained valid, humans ate whatever was at hand of any
source. If one group was of one end of the range of
plant/animal ratio or another was purely a reflection of this
over time and place.