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gotbeer
Wed, Jan-21-04, 06:48
Uncovering the Atkins diet secret

BBC News, Wednesday, 21 January, 2004, 12:37 GMT

link to article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm)

The controversial and popular Atkins diet works for reasons that Dr Atkins may not have fully understood, the BBC 2 programme Horizon has discovered.

Through a series of scientific experiments the programme shows that although the diet allows people all the fat and protein they want, they actually eat as few calories as people on low fat diets.

And the reason for this, according to recent research is because the quantity of protein the regime encourages, acts like an appetite suppressant.

The meat, fish and eggs in the Atkins diet control hunger and stop people eating their usual quantity of calories.

The theory behind Dr Atkins' diet is that by cutting down on starchy foods like potatoes, bread and pasta and eating mainly protein and fats like meat, eggs and cheese you can eat as much as you want and still lose weight.

Dr Atkins even said there was no need to worry about calories.

Heresy

The idea that people could gorge on as many calories as they desire and still lose the pounds brought Dr Atkins much criticism and even prompted some scientists to call his diet "scientific heresy".

Horizon teamed up with the University of Kansas and commissioned a scientific investigation to test Dr Atkins' most controversial theory.

This states that on his diet you actually burn more calories than usual - allowing you to lose more weight.

Dr Atkins had two ideas about where the extra calories were going. Firstly, he believed you burn more calories when your body uses fats and proteins as fuel.

If this is true, says Dr Mary Vernon, of the Atkins Physician Council, it makes exercise less important than usual.

"You wouldn't have to increase your exercise at all because your body would be working harder, so that you could literally sit in your armchair and lose weight."

Dr Atkins also believed that on his diet you lose unused calories by peeing them away, as part of a process known as ketosis, which happens when you stop eating starchy foods and sugar.

Twins' study

In Horizon's investigation identical twins were put on different diets, one on the Atkins diet and one on a conventional low fat diet. Each was fed identical amounts of calories for two weeks.

The twins were then locked inside a sealed chamber so that Professor Joseph Donnelly could calculate how quickly their bodies were burning calories.

Over 24 hours the twin on the Atkins diet did lose more calories than the twin on low fat, but only 22.

Professor Donnelly even checked the twins' urine for calories and found that the Atkins dieter had lost less than a single calorie more than his brother on low fat.

Donnelly concluded that: "the differences were too small to suggest there's anything significant going on".

Even though this research is at an early stage, there is little evidence for Dr Atkins' wasted calorie theories.

Real reason

Horizon examines other studies that reveal the real reason scientists believe the Atkins diet is effective.

New results from research conducted on the popular BBC series 'Diet Trials' offer the first clue.

The study examined the Atkins diet and three low fat, low calorie diets.

All four diets worked, but Dr Joe Millward at the University of Surrey who headed up the research, discovered the secret to why Atkins dieters were losing weight.

"The Atkins dieters were eating less calories, in exactly the same way as those going to the slimming clubs on their low fat diets."

Without apparently trying, people on the Atkins diet were eating less than they would normally.

Controlling hunger

Scientists are now more interested than ever in what makes us eat less. They have concluded that there is something about the Atkins diet that controls hunger.

Research has shown that fat is the least filling food. But new work in Denmark is showing exactly what kinds of food may control hunger.

Professor Arne Astrup, from the Royal Veterinary & Agricultural University in Copenhagen, built a supermarket for a special study to find the secret of appetite control.

Professor Astrup's study focused on being able to eat as much as you want.

He put one group of shoppers on a high protein diet and one on a high carbohydrate diet.

He was surprised to find that the people eating more protein lost significantly more weight.

"The reason they lost more weight was because they consumed fewer calories, despite the fact they had free access to all the food they wanted."

Increasing the amount of meat, fish and eggs in the diet may not only be the answer to our hunger pangs, but the secret to how the Atkins diet works.

Perhaps without realising it, Dr Atkins stumbled across the secret of appetite control, by discovering a high protein diet.

The programme also investigates whether or not the Atkins diet is dangerous.

With no long term studies on the diet, any possible health risks of the diet are, so far, unproven.

Horizon: The Atkins Diet will be shown Thursday January 22nd at 9pm on BBC2.

MyJourney
Wed, Jan-21-04, 07:00
Research has shown that fat is the least filling food.

Filling in what way? Fat sure fills me up better than anything else.

gotbeer
Wed, Jan-21-04, 07:06
Good question. Fat gives me satisfaction for a long stretch - with a bit of fat I can often skip my next meal (not recommended, but works for me) without hunger.

Perhaps a pile of cardboard would make me feel "full" for a moment - but also, very unhappy.

adkpam
Wed, Jan-21-04, 07:13
They keep SAYING this about calories.
Bt Fitday tells me that I'm eating about 800 calories more than I used to.
So I'm a mutant!
I actually think I'm not a mutant, it's the metabolic advantage Dr. Atkins talked about. But their little minds cannot grasp this simple principle...

odyssey
Wed, Jan-21-04, 07:25
On the Twins study, i'd like to read that. i'd like to know if the twin that had his(or her?)carbs limited was given the three days to a week on it to get into ketosis before being "sealed" in that chamber. i'd also like to see the same study done over long term, alternately switching the twins between the low carb and low fat to see if one of them burns more than the other .. just because i am a curious person lol
Atkins may be a higher protein plan but it isn't high protein when you consider some of the others(Protein power for example) .. it is an adequate protein diet(diet as in the way you eat not diet as in weight loss) and a high fat diet.

MyJourney
Wed, Jan-21-04, 07:28
I am also eating far more calories than I used to.

It freaks me out sometimes but I am and losing more weight and feeling better.

twinkles10
Wed, Jan-21-04, 08:22
In a way, I can kind of see where they are coming from (and think Dr. Atkins even alluded to it).

This WOE is very satisfying - so if you are the type of person (like I was) who would eat their low-fat meal, and still want to "pick, pick, pick" for something else to "tide us", well....?? I certainly don't pick and snack the way I used to.

Also, if you are a carb addict (like I was [am - big time]) putting the brakes on that insulin surge sure has an affect on your appetite. I eat far fewer calories now than I did before - and am very rarely hungry. I could eat all dang day on the low fat and end up going to bed as hungry as when I got up.

Groggy60
Wed, Jan-21-04, 08:50
If they bothered to read Atkins book and take some of it in, they might figure out that it is carbs that make you hungry and crave food.

Do you suppose the studies that proved fat was less filling were conducted along with low carb. If I eat just fat, I mostly just want to stop eating. Fat definitely goes down better with some protein or carbs.

Nancy LC
Wed, Jan-21-04, 09:57
There's definitely an appetite reduction in this diet. But there is another study out there where they fed the low-carb group an additional 300 calories a day than the moderate and high carb dieters. They found the folks fed the 300 calories extra lost more weight than the other diets.

I wonder how long the twin had been on low-carb? Only 24 hours?

I feel like fat makes my stomach empty more slowly. And I get a distinctly unpleasant feeling in my tummy when I eat too much with high fat. I feel "overfed". Not sure if just high protein would do that.

Turtle2003
Wed, Jan-21-04, 10:42
Atkins may be a higher protein plan but it isn't high protein when you consider some of the others(Protein power for example) .. it is an adequate protein diet(diet as in the way you eat not diet as in weight loss) and a high fat diet.

Not so. Perhaps you are confusing he Protein Power plan with something else. The PP plan has always been called an 'adequate protein' plan by the Doctors Eades. Their plan features calculations and charts to help compute your minimum protein intake, with advice that it is OK to go over this amount by a bit if hungry. Frankly, they never advised as much protein intake as Atkins.

odyssey
Wed, Jan-21-04, 11:14
Turtle if you look at the percentages of daily meal plans between ATkins and Protein Power You will see that the greater level of fat is with Atkins and the greater percentage of Protein is with Protein Power.
i certainly wasn't downing Protein Power. I tell almost everyone to read that book as well as the Lifeplan book because i have found them to be exceptional and the way i eat most closely follows the Protein Power plan.
i don't think i have misrepresented them though. Their percentage of Protein is indeed higher than Atkins while their percentage of fat is (a bit)lower.

odyssey
Wed, Jan-21-04, 11:20
And yes i know that the Doctors Eades call their plan an adequate protein diet. They do that because the regular american diet does not have enough protein. What they call adequate, however, is a higher percentage than most. What as person considers to be adequate in, say Vitamin C may be three times as much as the rda "allows". And it may very well be adequate but it would also be high in comparison.

Turtle2003
Wed, Jan-21-04, 12:15
Interesting, odyssey .

I'm not really sure how you come up with the protein percentage for Atkins. It's been a long time since I read Dr. Atkins' books, but I thought he advised the counting of carbs without regard for the number of calories or amount of fat. I think he does indicate that for some people it's necessary to limit calories to some extent. Where did you come up with a protein percentage for Atkins?

Katy131
Wed, Jan-21-04, 12:36
I follow "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Dr Barry Groves, which is a low carb/high fat diet. I aim to eat approx 70% fat in my diet, and it has certainly done me well over the past nearly three years.

"Research has shown that fat is the least filling food. But new work in Denmark is showing exactly what kinds of food may control hunger."

This is patently rubbish! They must be talking about potato chips, not good fats like butter and cream! Somebody should sit them down in front of a pack of butter with a teaspoon and see how much they can eat before they are full! It makes me mad that this *cornerstone* of the low carb ethic is simply pushed aside and washed over. They are missing the whole point! Together with all the interesting stuff they could have raised for discussion concerning the need for essential fats - and plenty of them - in a human being's diet for optimal health.

Sheeeeeeesh!!!!!

odyssey
Wed, Jan-21-04, 14:03
Plug the menus into Fitday and You can see the percentages.

ItsTheWooo
Wed, Jan-21-04, 14:30
They keep SAYING this about calories.
Bt Fitday tells me that I'm eating about 800 calories more than I used to.
So I'm a mutant!
I actually think I'm not a mutant, it's the metabolic advantage Dr. Atkins talked about. But their little minds cannot grasp this simple principle...

I definitely agree that the atkins diet is way more calorie wasting than the 22 calories their studies found. There are quite simply too many people eating more than they would on a low fat diet, but losing just as fast. Wasn't there another study which showed dieters ate 300 calories more than conventional low fat dieters and lost just as much weight?

They say Dr. Atkins wasn't aware that fat and protein control hunger, what a lie. This is the principle his diet was centered on. The reason they satisfy hunger, is because these foods sit in our stomachs longer. When the stomach is empty, a certain hormonal shift happens which tells us to eat, when it is full a counter balancing hormonal shift tells us to stop eating. This is EXACTLY why Dr. Atkins tells us to control carbs - carbs which are rapidly absorbed (like corn syrup) leave the stomach quickly as they are broken down and enter the blood as sugar, and therefore provide us with zero satiety value. These foods set the stage for binge eating! Dr. Atkins understood this perfectly well which is why he has us reduce carbohydrate intake.

Lez
Wed, Jan-21-04, 16:01
Professor Arne Astrup, from the Royal Veterinary & Agricultural University in Copenhagen,

Oh goody a Vet is poking his nose in.

And no long term study.

How far back do they want to go isnt 1863 (banting) far enough.

Has any of the millions of low carbers been asked about how much weight, how they feel, no mention of the other health benifits lots of us have gained, I do get P****d of with them.

Lez

TarHeel
Wed, Jan-21-04, 16:18
They say Dr. Atkins wasn't aware that fat and protein control hunger, what a lie. This is the principle his diet was centered on.

Thank you, Woo. I was wondering when someone would point this out. And, reading it, I found myself thinking this must have been published in "My Weekly Reader".

Kay

tholian8
Wed, Jan-21-04, 16:21
And, reading it, I found myself thinking this must have been published in "My Weekly Reader".

Yes, I noticed that too. Very poor writing from the org. which used to pride itself on its command of English. :rolleyes:

Emily

Dean4Prez
Wed, Jan-21-04, 17:55
Mark my words, the BBC is going to get in trouble for this article.

Don't they know every article about the Atkins Diet published in the UK has to mention that Jennifer Aniston and Geri Halliwell are big fans of the diet? Surely they don't mean to imply that we millions of Atkins dieters are capable of making up our own minds about this WOE without following the example of these celebrities? What is British journalism coming to? :lol:

gotbeer
Wed, Jan-21-04, 19:08
Dean, that's not very nice.

Really, I mean it.

Really.

dannysk
Thu, Jan-22-04, 03:09
DANDR chap 1.
under "Let's examine the calorie myth".
"And if you eat fewer calories- most people do on this diet- you'll lose weight very fast. "

Dr. Atkis was well aware that most people are more satisfied with his diet and require fewer calories (he just says it doesn't matter). How this became a "shortcoming" of his diet is unbelievable.
A natural, healthy appetite suppressant, that doesn't come from a pharmaceutical company is just not to be accepted.

danny

Lez
Thu, Jan-22-04, 17:12
I watched the programme tonight it came out on the side of Dr, Atkins He was right but he didn’t know why!!! (so they said)

The programme was fair with a lot of history about Dr Atkins and some scientific evidence and a guy who lost 84lb in 10 months.

The conclusion was that carbohydrates stimulate the appetite and protein suppresses the appetite. So we eat about the same calories as the low fat dieters. (Expletive)

Then they had to spoil a good programme by putting some doctor on at the end saying that he wouldn’t go on a low carb diet because there was not enough research or evidence that he wouldn’t get Kidney stones.

No mention of blood glucose, hypertension reduction or any other benefits of low carbing, so an e-mail is off to them in the morning.

Lez

Lez
Thu, Jan-22-04, 17:16
I forgot to mention the scientists seem to think that we humans are 100% efficient
1000 calories of food = 1000 calories of energy, (another expletive)