A Current Affair

[Kabuki]

Did anyone see the article on A Current Affair about low carb?

Some research has been done by Deakin University lambasting low carb diets.

They drew on cases such as a 16-year old girl who apparently died because of low carb. According to the researchers, 60 deaths worldwide have been attributed to Atkins.

They also said most carb devotees were lethargic, lacked concentration and had high fat counts. Well, I can only speak for me but I have more energy than I did as a teenager, my work output has improved (both in quality and quantity) and my body fat has decreased by 10% since starting.

I wonder if these researchers just researched the bad - after all, they could have come to this forum and found thousands of people for whom low carb works.

[jaddles]

sigh - I didnt see it but its about average for media coverage re LC..... :rolleyes: . They love to report on how all we eat is meat, nothing else.

I agree with all you say and honestly believe that I am much healthier since LCing. I think us LCers are ahead of popular thinking and that in the future we will be vindicated. :yay:

[sambalam]

here's the article, make sure you vote!!

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/stories/1596.asp

BTW the dude from deakin, he is a manager/executive of the company that is under the weblinks. interestingly it is a fat stripping diet company. the plot thickens.

[mb99]

It's quite manipulative how that poll question is worded
'Are you convinved that low carbohydrate diets CAN be harmful'

Well, Yes, I am actually. I am sure all those ppl on a 'I am just going to eat eggs and meat' diet, who have read nothing at all about low-carbing, are harming themselves. In fact, even Atkins followed religously could be damaging to a person with certain medical conditions.

A more balanced question would be 'Do you think low-carbohydrate diets are generally healthy' or something.

Also, the deakin ppl appear to just be saying that 'in some individuals this diet can be diet. Why isn't this reported!'. Which would suggest that the problem is akin to the mainstream fact that some people with high cholestrol have a now identified gene that means that a low-cholestrol diet will potentially kill them. But then, on the 'Fact sheet', we are told that MOST ppl on a low carb diet don't eat enough vegetables, get enough iron folate or thiaman etc. Which is completely differently from what the Deakin study seemed to be saying!

And where does this stupid vegetable thing keep coming from?

[Kabuki]

It doesn't surprise me that there are 'links' between the 'research' and commerce. Unfortunately, I get little to no support for my eating lifestyle from friends or family, primarily because they believe all I eat is meat and eggs. They are surprised when they learn how much vegetables and nuts I eat. I guess it's up to us low-carbers to pave the way and educate the not so educated about the benefits of this lifestyle.

[Luscious]

I suppose I am lucky. Because I am diabetic, people never question me eating low carb. Most people don't understand much about it, but they do understand that being a diabetic there are some foods I should not eat, so I never get hassled by anyone. Its so easy to say, sorry, I can't have that cake, I'm a diabetic... shuts them up right away. Well, there has to be some payoff for having this condition, right? :)

I try to not get frustrated by these kinds of articles, let them think what they want. There is a growing market for our goods, and word will spread itself. The proof is in the lack of pudding, so to speak.

Luscious :angel:

40 days cheat free now (how do I get one of those nice .gif pins for this that I see?

[VALEWIS]

I wrote to them, I was so disgusted with the unbalanced reporting. I wish more people would blast them. Interesting about the Deakin guy...didn't know that.

Val

[Lush]

I know I know - it was toooo pathetic. Just a convenient way for the tosser to get some free advertising! :rolleyes: Live and let live I say! :thup:

Leesha

[flickering]

I am glad that atkins works for various people. I started the diet in sept 03 and found that i lost something like 9 kilos in the 2 months that i was seriously following the diet. At the end of October i suddenly stalled and stopped at 70kilos.

i stopped the coffee intake and cut out milk completely (i was having about 4 full fat latte's a week). i still remained stalled. i stopped the lc muffin i was having each day and still remained at 70 kilos. i cut out all artifical sweetners (splenda) and still remained at 70kilos. It was at this point also that the energetic feeling i was getting being on this diet suddenly disappaited leaving me feeling tired, lethargic and headachey. It seemed that no matter how low carb/hi protein/hi fat i went the same weight i stayed. my exercise regime could have been a bit more intensive i was using my treadmill 5 times a week walking briskly for 20min intervals. but i figured why have i stopped losing weight when im doing what ive been doing for the last two months and succesfully lost 9 kilos there, yet now all im doing is maintaining.

So i decided to test this diet out. i switched from atkins to a low fat low calorie diet (pasta/rice/veggies etc) and maintained my weight of 70kilos. Christmas came around and i went a little beserk and ate alot more of foods i shouldnt have - sweets etc and you know what?? i maintained my weight of 70kilos. In all honesty after the massive sugary binge i indulged in over christmas the only horrible thing i felt was again tired, lethargic and headachey - but what could i do i eventually felt the same way on atkins anyway!

so i feel that while atkins must work great for some people, and sure i lost 9 kilos due to it i daresay my loss was mostly water and muscle. the amount of fat i consumed during the time was alarming, cream, fat on meat, skin on chicken, almond meal in muffins, liberal amounts of butter...it was freaking me out and obviously for ME not doing me any good due to this stalling.

Because i feel so horrible atm and not sure of which way to go, i have picked up the SBD. As low carb as it is it also promotes low fat and allows you to introduce healthy carbs after a strict phase similar to Induction.

The reason i am replying to this particular thread is because maybe the media is right... for some people anyway. of course you guys will be dissing the media for throwing bad press at your diet..but keep in mind atkins is not the be all and end all for everyone who tries it.

SBD is very messy right now..some days its dont eat this other days its hey you can now have that! the forums (other sites) seem to be in total chaos and im not sure how i will go with this, but i am definitly looking forward to phase two of sbd and adding whole grains, steel cut oats, carrots and potatoes back into my diet - not in abundance but at least knowing they ARE allowed because they ARE healthy carbs!

Be well all, and remember as much as the media can seem to be one sided so too can followers of a particular diet :)

[fitbabe]

here's the article, make sure you vote!!

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/stories/1596.asp

BTW the dude from deakin, he is a manager/executive of the company that is under the weblinks. interestingly it is a fat stripping diet company. the plot thickens.


I just found this thread.

The guy from Deakin is not manager/executive of a "fat stripping diet company" he is a personal trainer who wrote the book "the Fat Stripping Diet"

[MichaelG]

Low carb? What low carb?
As a Paleolithic w.o.e. person I claim that my diet is, as far as can be followed in the modern world, not at all low carb. It is NORMAL carb.

It's what humans are genetically programmed to live on. Calling us (and to a degree Atkins and other w.o.e's ) low carb is a bit like alcoholics claiming that their intake is normal and that social drinkers are on a "low alcohol:" regime.

The arguments in the media and in organizations such as the AMA are conducted in the manner of "when did you stop beating your wife", if you follow me.

Michael Gardner
Bribie Island

Thank God hot house has finished.

[VALEWIS]

"Thank God hot house has finished."

And that you don't have Pete and Tina for neighbours...

I think you've made a good point re low carb being 'normal carb.' I will remember to use that.
Besides, with all the veg we eat, it isn't that low anyway.

I just tell people that I don't eat sugar and starchy food...that always seems acceptable and pretty well sums it up.

Val
Coolum Beach

[mcsblues]

I just found this thread.

The guy from Deakin is not manager/executive of a "fat stripping diet company" he is a personal trainer who wrote the book "the Fat Stripping Diet"


I think there were two guys -Tim Crowe from Deakin and Shane Bilsborough the trainer who together with his brother, has written a couple of diet books which advocate low fat calorie counting (but he calls it 'calorie density' or some such rubbish) and walking as the his newly discovered exercise! (gee thanks Shane). Anyway this covers it;

http://www.theomnivore.com/How%20low%20will%20the%20anti-low%20carb%20crowd%20go.html

Cheers,

Malcolm

[MichaelG]

thanks Malcolm for exposing the truth.

I seem to remember the deaths at the time when some dieters were eating nothing else other than that powdered stuff in cans sold by gyms and chemists.

But isn't this typical of the media. I know quite a lot of things (unfortunately none of them money producing) and I have experienced time and time again the frustration when the media run a story on a subject that I am almost an expert on (home brewing, fox terriers, whatever) and they ALWAYS get it dead wrong.

I think it is to do with the nature of journalists. When I was in my early 20's and living in Cardiff, Wales, I shared a house with four trainee journalists, met a lot more, and formed the opinion that you would never trust any journalist with the truth.

Occasionally some of them rise above the pack and shine, but they are the minority.

cheers

Michael Gardner
Queensland

[tribal]

You should also keep in mind that the show was ACA. The least credible of all those sensationalist "current affairs" programs. Hack journalism at it's best.

[MichaelG]

Give them six months until everybody has forgotton, and watch them come up with one of their regular sensational diets "the miracle fish egg and meat one month diet..." With heaps of ads from the National Pork Foundation, the Egg Board, you name it.

Talking about personalities, I don't wish to be cruel but if Rosemary Stanton is a result of years of the healthy food pyramid well....... poor lass, she always strikes me as having some sort of underlying malaise. Needs a good feed to get some haemoglobin back into her.
Michael Gardner
Bribie Island

[msfifi]

Thanks Malcolm for the link to Anthony Colpo's site, The Omnivore. He summed it all up very nicely I think.

I have a friend who keeps citing the Deakin "research article" as to me (she's on a high carb low fat diet called Slimplicity) and I think they have "fed" that to her in one of their information sessions. She keeps commenting to me that they showed that people's cholesterol and trigliceride levels were reduced for the first 6 months, but then went back up long term and how this is the only study to have looked at low carb longer than 6 months. I keep reading all the people's (how many on this site plus others?? Good empirical evidence I reckon.) comments on this site, plus other sites, about how they have been low carbing for years and haven't felt better. I presume they would all have had the presence of mind to stop this WOE if their cholesterol and trigliceride levels had risen again.

One important point Colpo (plus a variety of others) made about various low carb eating plans is that it appears to work quite differently for people of differing insulin tolerance. The higher your insulin tolerance, the better a low carb WOE seems to work. That's not to say low carb doesn't work at all if you have lower insulin tolerance.

Just my 2 cents worth. :)

Rosemary
Brisbane

[mcsblues]

Rosemary, you might like to ask your friend for long term studies of low fat/high carb diets. The fact of the matter is that these studies are expensive and difficult to conduct because the subjects being human either drop out over time or at least their compliance to which ever diet they have been assigned will wane. It is however one of the pointers that low carb is a more successful way of life (than low fat) that the drop out rate in the low carb groups is invariably lower than the low fat group.

The only long term "study" of the effects of the low fat mantra we have all endured from dietary "experts" for the last 25 years are the results that are evident in the wider community where obesity has tripled and type 2 diabetes rates are exploding. I know I am preaching to the choir here .... but tell your friend :)

Cheers,

Malcolm

[fitbabe]

"I think there were two guys -Tim Crowe from Deakin and Shane Bilsborough the trainer who together with his brother, has written a couple of diet books which advocate low fat calorie counting (but he calls it 'calorie density' or some such rubbish) and walking as the his newly discovered exercise! (gee thanks Shane). Anyway this covers it;

http://www.theomnivore.com/How%20lo...crowd%20go.html

Cheers,

Malcolm"


Here's another link to an article you may like to read.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9747542%255E24331,00.html

[mcsblues]

If you read Bilsborough's book (ok I skimmed it) you will find more of this sort of nonsense (from the Herald Sun article);

"Fibre helps to bind cholesterol and eliminate it from the intestine.

Cholesterol intakes and saturated fats are low, and a conscious effort is made to eat a diet low in fat. Most fat is from monounsaturated and polyunsaturated oils, which will help to lower LDL, (or bad) cholesterol."

Yeah sure Shane!

Cheers,

Malcolm

[fitbabe]

If you read Bilsborough's book (ok I skimmed it) you will find more of this sort of nonsense (from the Herald Sun article);

"Fibre helps to bind cholesterol and eliminate it from the intestine.

Cholesterol intakes and saturated fats are low, and a conscious effort is made to eat a diet low in fat. Most fat is from monounsaturated and polyunsaturated oils, which will help to lower LDL, (or bad) cholesterol."

Yeah sure Shane!

Cheers,

Malcolm

Sorry I don't know you, and have no idea of your background, but can you tell me your credentials in this area?

I'm not being critical, Malcolm, just interested in your credentials as mentioned.

[ferelannie]

This is not the first time I have gone on Low Carb diet. Years ago I lost more than 6 stone (pre metric, sorry) - and after years of trying diet after diet it was the ONLY one that I could stick to: I was NOT hungry, I was full of energy, my skin and eyes glowed with health, aches and pains in the joints stopped, so did headaches, my "sugar" levels dropped from around 9 down to regular readings of 4.5, and most amazingly my Cholesterol went down to a healthy level in just a matter of weeks (this actully spun my Doctor out, he could not believe it) .
However, over time I have been a bit of a "bad girl" and some weight has crept back on - my fault completely, but I know the ONE SUCCESSFUL WAY to get it off - Low Carb diet. I wish this diet was around when I was a teenager - boy how different my life could have been!

Lastly, re. the TV programme quoting deaths. Some people go silly and try to eliminate carbs alltogether, don't drink enough water and do not watch their Ketone levels! Well what would they expect but health problems?

[mcsblues]

Sorry I don't know you, and have no idea of your background, but can you tell me your credentials in this area?

I'm not being critical, Malcolm, just interested in your credentials as mentioned.

I'm not sure what you mean by my "credentials" as i have never claimed to have any of those :)

I have had more than 20 years experience in dieting and have lost more than 50 pounds on the low fat/starvation plan (kept it off for 2 years - yeah) and since I discovered this way of life six months ago, I have lost more than 50 pounds again. The difference is that I now know why low carb is soooo much easier, makes me feel so good and why I can easily adopt this WOL for the rest of my life.

If you are asking for my credentials for making fun of poor Shane Bilsborough, that is easy. I have read a lot in the last six months (its addictive), but you don't need to read a lot to work out that Shane is a complete fraud, who quite clearly knows about as much about cholesterol as he does about dieting generally - his book is very slim, but for all the useful information it imparts, it could have been a whole lot slimmer.

Cheers,

Malcolm