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tamarian
Thu, Nov-20-03, 17:52
PCRM and the Truth About 'Responsible Medicine' An Open Letter by Stuart Trager, MD, Chairperson, Atkins Physicians Council
Thursday November 20, 2:05 pm ET

NEW YORK, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- In matters of important scientific and medical consequence, there is perhaps no greater responsibility than that involved with the collection and handling of important information to assure that accurate data is obtained and reported in an unbiased manner. Whether through institutional review boards or the peer-review process, the highest priority must be given to assure preservation of integrity. Within the medical community, it is well understood that these safeguards are what protect patients from the unscrupulous who would be tempted to advance their own agenda through attacking evidence-based scientific viewpoints. Physicians who get into the business of making emotional appeals that are in defiance of science may have been acceptable in other centuries and in other countries but have no place in a society that should be focused and dedicated to the health and well being of its population.

In the most recent headline-grabbing attempt by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), it is extremely troubling that this group of physicians, would act so irresponsibly, attempting to use sensationalism rather than science to advance their own vegan agenda. How other than irresponsible would describe the unscientific presentation of information about a nutritional approach that has been helping many to combat an epidemic of obesity currently costing 300,000 lives, telling half truths and avoiding the scrutiny of peer review?There is perhaps no greater example of this than the emotional and sensational exploitation of individuals with co-morbidities to shamelessly support a viewpoint without subjecting the data to a controlled or statistical analysis to clarify statistical significance. Clearly, Dr. Neal Barnard and his vegan associates, cannot resist the opportunity to promote their own nutritional philosophy even if it means ignoring credible research emanating from major universities and published in peer-reviewed journals, exploiting the emotionally vulnerable victims of personal tragedies and misleading an American public that is suffering from a dire obesity and diabetes epidemic.

Surely this "responsible" physician is aware of the recent published studies like that of Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University that found nearly twice the amount of weight loss at six months with a low carbohydrate diet as compared to a low-calorie, low-fat diet, as well as work supported by the American Heart Association conducted by Dr. Bonnie Brehm at the University of Cincinnati that found twice the weight loss and also twice the body fat loss after six months on a low carbohydrate diet as compared to a high carbohydrate diet.

Dr. Barnard must also be aware of the recent study by Dr. Fredrick Samaha, et. al., that showed more than twice the weight lost, five-fold improvement in triglycerides and increased insulin sensitivity in overweight women following the Atkins Nutritional Approach (ANA) versus those following a low-fat diet. And how "responsible" is it to ignore the statistically significant increase in weight loss demonstrated at both three and six months in the NIH-funded multicenter study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, that also showed greater decrease in triglyceride concentration and greater increase in HDL in those following the low carbohydrate approach?

Did Dr. Barnard not have access to the widely publicized studies recently out of Tufts University and Harvard University that further confirmed the safety of Atkins? And the new study just published by the Mayo Clinic demonstrating the value of the role of saturated fats in the ANA for heart disease? Did he read some of these studies and fail to notice the repeated findings that not only confirm the cardioprotective benefits of Atkins, but some of which suggested that Atkins is better for the heart than low-fat diets? Finally, speaking of "responsible", what about presenting the large number of studies that demonstrate the health risks associated with elevated triglycerides (an independent risk factor for heart disease) when eating diets high in carbohydrates? And all the studies that actually show that regular meat intake doesn't impair normal kidney function, increase the risk of breast cancer or cause osteoporosis while in fact obesity itself creates the higher risk?

While the PCRM wastes their time trying to fight those whose views of healthy eating differ from the vegan lifestyle they support, it is time for the rest of us to unite, demanding that our policy makers in medicine and in government rely on evidence-based science, rather than preconceived beliefs and philosophical ideology, and that they, above all else, act responsibly. We can only wonder why the media hasn't exposed and condemned PCRM's deeply irresponsible approach to science and the well being of the American public.

This group of radical vegans and animal rights advocates abusing their medical degrees and masquerading as concerned and "responsible" physicians must be held to the same standards that all scientists must adhere to, and to cease this practice of sensationalism.

For further information, please contact: Gina Mangiaracina, WWR Public Relations, 212-714-0300.



Source: Atkins Health and Medical Information Services

MisterE
Thu, Nov-20-03, 17:56
Amen!

Paleoanth
Thu, Nov-20-03, 18:08
It is people like those PCRMers that give the rest of us vegetarians a bad name.

adkpam
Thu, Nov-20-03, 18:08
All right! Very well presented.

shortstuff
Thu, Nov-20-03, 19:36
What a wonderful and well written article. Thank you for sharing it. I think it's about time someone told the dear Dr. Bernard his ideas are full of s**t!

shortstuff

Dean4Prez
Thu, Nov-20-03, 21:04
It was pretty well written for the most part, but it never really addressed the issue of the death of that teenager.

Also, the article, seemed to have, a number of unnecessary commas. Who, edited it, anyway, Captain James, T. Kirk?

Nebula
Thu, Nov-20-03, 21:24
The fact that the teenager was following Atkins at the time of death is merely anecdotal. Even the PCRM stated that they cannot conclusively identify the teenager's death with the diet. So, I would have omitted that rebuttal as well. Furthermore, who knows if they were able to gather any information at all regarding the person's death. Perhaps they chose not to address it because there was nothing to address.

Who knows for sure?

toney
Fri, Nov-21-03, 01:20
Im a new member! Great info I did not know that PCRM was vegans. Feeling like a steak Churchill was the man!

Bookery
Fri, Nov-21-03, 07:24
I don't know about this letter. It's good that they're rebutting the PCRM, but both the tactics and the grammar used to do so are questionable. It seems like the letter is predominantly a presentation of studies on how well low-carb diets work (and mostly for weight loss, at that), without any organization or thesis behind the presentation. And let's not talk about the confusing sentence structure and, liberal, use, of, stupid, commas.

I'm not impressed.

Holly

Ogden
Fri, Nov-21-03, 09:28
I don't know about this letter. It's good that they're rebutting the PCRM, but both the tactics and the grammar used to do so are questionable. It seems like the letter is predominantly a presentation of studies on how well low-carb diets work (and mostly for weight loss, at that), without any organization or thesis behind the presentation. And let's not talk about the confusing sentence structure and, liberal, use, of, stupid, commas.

I'm not impressed.

Holly

I think that this was never intended to refute the article, or the accusations. The letter appears to go straight for the jugular of PCRM and discredit the source itself, rather than take apart their accusation. It is more an attack on their policies and lack or "standard process" such as peer review. I think that Atkins figured if possible, its easier to take out the source here, than to fight the substance, because all of the facts are being held by the accuser. How can Atkins refute the claims unless they have all the data that PCRM has? And how can they ever be sure that PCRM will give them all of the data?

I'm actually suprosed that they decided to take on these guys, considering all of the other stories that float around with flase information in them. I guess its probably because these are the first people to actually say "The Atkins diet killed someone."

Ah well. Now if we could only tell what these folks were eating while on Atkins, and whether they were really following the plan, or were they "winging" it. That would really help fill in some of the holes here. Not to mention understaning a bit about these people's family history to determine if there is any genetic predisposition to heart disease, or other medical problems.

Simply put, to refute PCRM they would need more information.

adkpam
Fri, Nov-21-03, 09:31
Gee, perhaps PCRM is just outright lying...

Ogden
Fri, Nov-21-03, 09:54
BTW, Bookery, as a fellow Massachusetts-onian, check out The Boston Globe's coverage of this story. It looks like they just picked it up off Rueters, but take a look:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/21/dieters_say_atkins_damaged_heart/

Dave N
Fri, Nov-21-03, 10:41
PCRM promotes a vegetarian diet. Evidently, they conduct their research based on the premise that meat-eating is bad. More about PCRM can be found at their website:

http://www.pcrm.org/about/

alaskaman
Fri, Nov-21-03, 13:11
While we are talking of diet dangers, these anti-atkins people try so desperately to pin even one death on the diet, (as though ONE would really prove anything, out of millions doing it!) why not talk about the NUMEROUS deaths from the ultra-lowfat ultra highcarb Macrobiotic diet? The NUMEROUS deaths of children who have a vegan or raw-foods diet thrust upon them by parents who are blind ideologues? I believe Herr Goebbels survived world war 2 and is working for PCRM. Bill

MyJourney
Fri, Nov-21-03, 16:58
why not talk about the NUMEROUS deaths from the ultra-lowfat ultra highcarb Macrobiotic diet? The NUMEROUS deaths of children who have a vegan or raw-foods diet thrust upon them by parents who are blind ideologues?

I am actually curious about this. I have never heard of any deaths or illnesses due to macrobiotics. My mother is a half macrobiotic nut who swears I am killing myself all the time with my 'stupid atkins'

I would actually be curious about more information on this.

THanks,

MJ

Dean4Prez
Fri, Nov-21-03, 17:53
I believe Herr Goebbels survived world war 2 and is working for PCRM. Bill

Does lowcarber.org observe Godwin's Law?

bvtaylor
Fri, Nov-21-03, 18:58
Let's all go to this site and fill in our positive experiences. What better way to deflate the negative campaigning!!!

http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/registry.html

:yay:

VALEWIS
Sat, Nov-22-03, 01:55
bv, I did just that yesterday...i posted this suggestion to this forum, but it appears to have disappeared into the ether. I think they should be bombarded with Atkins flowers until they shut up.

Val

Karen
Sat, Nov-22-03, 10:06
i posted this suggestion to this forum, but it appears to have disappeared into the ether.Val, I think the post you're talking about is right here:

Atkins 'alert' register (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?p=1579426#post1579426)

One of the "finding" features of this board is clicking your profile and then clicking All posts made by this user.

Karen

Rachelle
Sat, Nov-22-03, 10:18
Great Article.... that's nice to hear someone standing up to the lies!!

cc48510
Sat, Nov-22-03, 11:35
I am actually curious about this. I have never heard of any deaths or illnesses due to macrobiotics. My mother is a half macrobiotic nut who swears I am killing myself all the time with my 'stupid atkins'

I would actually be curious about more information on this.

THanks,

MJ

Vegan, Fruitarian, and Zen-Macrobiotic Diets are all lethal without proper supplementation. People have died on Vegan and Zen-Macrobiotic Diets from B12 Deficiency, and on Zen-Macrobiotic Diets from other Vitamin Deficiencies and Malnutrition.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/PPI/UnconventionalTherapies/MacrobioticDietsZenMacrobiotics.htm

"Caution is crucial because the diet can be seriously deficient in particular nutrients. In the past five years, several studies of the macrobiotic diet have been reported in the peer-reviewed medical literature. ... Every study found serious deficiencies in infants and children who had been on macrobiotic diets. ... Researchers recommend that children on the macrobiotic diet receive dairy products and eggs to provide the missing nutritional components and produce a safer, balanced diet. Pregnant and breast-feeding women similarly should supplement their macrobiotic diets." (Cassileth)

"A population-based study on the nutritional status of children consuming macrobiotic diets was carried out in the Netherlands." Results showed that these children suffered "deficiencies of energy, protein, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium, and riboflavin, which led to retarded growth, fat and muscle wasting, and slower psychomotor development." (Dagnelie)

"Recent studies showed that Dutch children who were fed macrobiotic diets were smaller and weighed less than other children who eat normally. Infants on macrobiotic diets often develop rickets and have deficiencies of vitamin B, C and iron." (Hafner)

"The Council of Foods and Nutrition of the American Medical Association and the Committee on Nutrition of the American Academy of Pediatrics have roundly condemned the more restrictive of the macrobiotic diets for their nutritional inadequacies. Strict adherence to these diets could result in scurvy, anemia, hypoproteinemia, hypocalcemia, emaciation due to starvation, loss of kidney function due to reduced fluid intake, other forms of malnutrition, and even death." (CA 1984)

The Zen macrobiotics "has caused the deaths of at least 19 zealots during the 1960s." (Barrett)

Two surveys of the dietary intakes of macrobiotic children and adults have been published. Some of the results were as follows:

The diets are low in calories - most of the healthy adults reported having lost weight on the diet.

Several cases of protein-calorie malnutrition have been documented among infants and children who were fed strict macrobiotic diets.

An adult woman who had followed diet no. 7 for eight months had lost 35 pounds and on hospitalization was "near death with the classical manifestations of scurvy and severe folic acid and protein deficiency."

Several cases of nutritional rickets have been documented in macrobiotic children.

Intakes of riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B, and folate are below the recommended dietary allowances (RDA).

Calcium intakes in macrobiotic adults and children were 50-60% below the RDA.

Iron intakes of macrobiotic women and children averaged 62-84% of the RDA; those of the men exceeded the RDA. (Bowman)

The current "standard" macrobiotic diet consists of 50-60% whole cereal grains. Allergic reactions caused by eating cereals may cause gastrointestinal disturbance with vomiting, diarrhea and bloating, eczema, urticaria, angioedema, asthma or anaphylactic shock. Because of the high fibre content of the macrobiotic diet, there is a risk of complete obstruction in the presence of a narrowed intestinal lumen. (Bowman)

alaskaman
Sat, Nov-22-03, 14:33
Thanks bvtaylor for the excellent suggestion, I did just that, and it felt good. Although lets be realistic, we know what they are looking for, and the only "deflating" we are likely to do is some poorly paid intern who will glance at our responses before deleting them. Bill

Lisa N
Sat, Nov-22-03, 15:14
Thanks bvtaylor for the excellent suggestion, I did just that, and it felt good. Although lets be realistic, we know what they are looking for, and the only "deflating" we are likely to do is some poorly paid intern who will glance at our responses before deleting them. Bill

My thoughts exactly, Bill. It's unlikely that any of our responses will ever see the light of day beyond the few seconds it takes someone to read it, recognize that it's not what they were looking for and hit the delete button.
I still posted all the positive effects that low carbing has had for me quite a long time ago on that site, if for any reason just to throw it in their face how wrong they are, but I'm not naive enough to think that anyone there will ever share that information with the folks that they are trying to persuade that low carbing is the devil incarnate. After all...it wouldn't likely do their cause a whole lot of good to have 188 responses reporting the horrible side effects of bad breath and constipation and several thousand responses telling them how people have lost weight, gotten off medications, improved their cardiac profiles and have never felt better in their lives. :rolleyes:

Bookery
Sat, Nov-22-03, 17:16
It doesn't seem to follow it, Dean4Prez ;-> But I think it'd be a great idea!

patnaude12
Sun, Nov-23-03, 07:29
Hi All,

Thanks for the web site address, I just went there and left my two cents worth.

Carol :rose: :rose: