Can Coffee Hurt?

[sunkist]

I love my iced Mochas (not every morning) but every chance I get. If i stick to paleo with my other foods and then have my mochas maybe 3-4 times a week, do you think this would be okay?

I know this sounds like a silly question, but I'm also trying to help out with the activity on this board!!!

I have been feeling great so far. Also do any of you eat raw egg yolks for health? I eat about 2-3 per day (cage free organic of course)

have a good evening :wiggle:

[nela]

Hi there Sunkist!

I read that coffee should be cut out and replaced with the no caffeine variety..but I think that everyone has to adapt the diet to their own lifestyle. That's what makes it liveable after all :) Why not try having your Mochas and see if you get stalled on your weight loss? then if you do you can always cut back. Let us know if that works.

Glad to hear you're feeling so good! I don't have raw egg whites, I like them cooked. My favourite recipe for breakfast is this:

Chop a shallot and cut some bacon up. Fry in olive oil. Break an egg onto the bacon and salt lightly (optional). Let the egg cook on top of the bacon and shallot until done. If you want, you can turn it over so the yolk is more cooked. Scoop it out of the pan and cover it with shredded cheese. Yum!

Let's keep this board alive and tell each other what we have for breakfast :p

[JenofWi]

Hi. Sunkist, I remember you from a raw foods discussion under another thread. Welcome.
I haven't tried raw eggs yet. I'm just a little grossed out by the texture.
I do drink decaf with heavy cream about 2 - 3 times a week. It's all sugar free. I am trying to have less and less. I've decided that since this way of eating is long term, I can take a little time finding my balance on it. If I were you I would try to a least wean myself from the processed sugar. One step at a time.
I usually cook 2 eggs over in butter and add some sausage on top while it's cooking.

[sunkist]

Thanks Girls
That;'s what I try to do right now - just kind of wean myself down to fewer coffees (not daily anymore) then if I think they are causing me problems - I'll switch to decaf. I enjoy them so much that as long as I can keep having Mochas every so often, it helps me to stay stricter on the rest of my eating.

I also never eat egg whites raw because of the substance called aviden that binds with the biotin and makes it less available to the body. But i love the taste of fresh raw egg yolks - but then i've been like that ever since i was a kid.

MAMASITA: Your cakes look awesome on your website- I checked out your food journal and that is really helpful

I just made an apple, chicken, pecan & mayo salad for breakfast. It was so good. For some reason for the past few days I have not been craving any breads or starches.

Have a great day everyone!!!

[jaybird]

Hey Sunkist, I do eat raw eggs. There is new research on egg whites, you should check it out on www.mercola.com and do a search for raw eggs. They used to think that about the biotin, but new research shows the biotin to be more available with the whites. I don't really like the taste of raw egg white though, so if I eat the white it's in shake (like blueberries and heavy cream with egg or something of that sort..I'm always experimenting in the kitchen).
I'm drinking coffee ocassionally. I'll go a few weeks without, then go on a coffee kick for a week. I love flavored coffee...I just had some Rasberry Cream flavored, yummy. It hasn't held me up as far as I can tell. That chicken salad sounds good.

[sunkist]

Oh wow Jaybird-=new info all the time - and it usually contradicts.

You know I don't think I COULD eat the raw egg whites though. The texture & flavor of the yolks I love - ever since I was little even. But the egg whites are a bit ....slimy? But if you put them into a shake you probably couldn't even tell. I'll give that a try. I have used Organic Pastures raw dairy - and I think I can handle the cream and the butter - but not the milks probably cause of the sugar

[kay3osu]

Sunkist,
How do you eat the egg yolks? just plain? i have heard the best way to eat them cooked is boiled and i used to but now i scramble them in cocnut oil to get more fat in. I want to make my own mayo because i cant handle vinegar. i do only eat organic but have been hesitant..but you seem to feel great so i will do it. wonder how long the mayo will las tin the fridge? also, your post made me think of something my dad used to make for us easter morning. he would whip up egg whites with sugar to make a meringue and put it o top of the coffee. sounds gross but it was soooo good. i wonder if you can try that with your coffee and use a different sweetner? congrats on reaching your goal....Kay

Also, because i stay away from all the fake foods to etc and eat a paleo /neander/atkins ( am trying to lose 20) so try to keep my carbs below 20 for now and no fruit. My Q is what do you eat in a day? Hopefully that will work for me to.....Have a great day!

[sunkist]

Hi Kay
lately I've been trying to eat what i think makes sense for me and my likes, dislikes & health issues. Okay like for breakfast first i just eat 2 raw egg yolks in a glass. I'll sprinkle maybe some sea salt on them and pepper - but I don't mix them up too much because supposedly the molecular structure can get messed up my heavy mixing. I also will eat them in a mix with chopped pecans & banana slices or dates. But I don't eat dates too often because of the high sugar content. I don't heat my egg yolks because it tends to lessen the strength( I hate to use the word destroy here) of the B Vitamins, lecithin, EFA's etc. Within one week of me having 2-3 raw egg yolks every day, my skin became less dry - my nails started to to grow faster and didn't break, no more hang nails, and within 3 weeks I noticed my hair had grown faster too. I was amazed - especially since thiese results didn't involve me buying an expensive supplement!!

Then for lunch I may have either some of my chicken, grape, pecan, mayo, spinach salad....OR.....chicken(or beef), pineapple chunks & spinach(or lettuce)& mayo salad. I eat pineapples with protein because of the digestive enzyme present in FRESH (not canned) pineapple called Bromelain. This isgreat when you have freshly grilled hamburger, steak or chicken too!! But I don't grill my pineapple because of the heat!!

For dinner I will eat similar to my lunch. For fats I eta coconut oil (which I will add to my salads sometimes or my egg mixture) I don't eat alot of cooked food except for my meats - everything else I eat is raw (as much as possible anyway) and also I like some fatty meats like on a filet or bone marrow - my grandmother ALWAYS ate the marrow of the bone so I grew up loving it too!! Thanks Gramma :angel:

I really notice a problem with how i feel & look when I eat too much dairy, wheat, potatoes, BEANS (they kille me!!!) I think that's why I was drawn to the Paleo way of eating since it explained why I may have been having problems with these food groups.

I also try to stay away from alcohol but I'll have a margerita maybe once every three weeks, or some wine - but that's about it - although in reality of course it would be fun to be able to have a drink every weekend with no ill effects (but that's in fantasyland :Party: )

And that's about it except for my Cafe Mochas - I have those about 3 times a week - but i treat those like my dessert and if I have those i watch my other carb intake on that day :wiggle:

Hope that helps. My husband just told me that he is bringing home one of our precors from the gym and putting it in our garage. That is great because I do NOT do enough cardio and i want to do about 3-4 /30 minute sessions just for the health of my heart & good circulation. Sweating is so good for you - helps clean out toxins etc!!! And I'm too lazy to actually go down to our gym - does that make me lazy? :agree:

bye for now

[huntress]

i'm with you on the raw egg yolks and bone marrow, I just cook the whites, cut most off and just eat the runny yolks. I found a store that sell marrow bones I just roast them and scoop and eat yum. Save the fat for pemmican. My hair and nails are doing great too, My sil made a comment that I over heard " Her hair is so healthy and shiny it's beatiful" Mil and all aunts, sil are all hair dressers so that must be good. Made some chicken cauliflower soup lc style sure hit the spot on this cold rainy day. Eat well my friends and enjoy great health.
Diane

[kay3osu]

Hi Sunkist,

Thanks for the tips. I will try to do the egg yolks. OMG what am i saying? :) so, you just sort of gulp them down without breaking them? like Rocky? besides the fruit, i think it looks doable. and will be able to have fruit soon i'm sure. now if i can just make it thru induction :)

is that the precor eliptical? i love that thing. every time i get done using it, i feel like my butt went from my knees to my neck! :)

well, take care...i'll let you know how the eggs go down!

[sunkist]

Hi Huntress
Wow does that chicken soup sound good!! I WISH it were getting cold here - it doesn't even feel like Fall is approaching :cry:

I love the summer - but Fall is so much fun and beautiful and not TOO cold!!! Anyway - That's great about your hair - I swear I see so many girls here in Los Angeles with hair extensions and who have to do like MAJOR conditioning treatments cause their hair is kind of thin and damaged. In my opinion you can use every conditioner known to man on the OUTSIDE of your hair, but if it isn't growing healthy from the INSIDE - you might as well forget about it!!

KAY: Yeah I do just eat them plain - I don't know like I said for some reason as far back as i can remember-I've loved the taste of raw egg yolks - now here's something you can do - try adding a little melted raw butter, sea salt to it. That may ,ake it taste more cooked and like soft boiled or sunny side up. I wish I could eat them with toast of course - but let's not go there!!! :nono:

I may also try cutting back on the fruit with my dinner since if I do eat too many carbs at dinner or before bedtime (fruit or if I had some starches) then it is much harder for me to wake up with energy the next day. So I may just start having my protein with steamed veggies and a salad or a BIGGER salad

[PaleoDeano]

hi sunkist,

are you not a bit afraid of getting salmonella eating raw eggs? i suppose that could be a myth or something... it does sound quite nutritious... i absolutely LOVE eggs... i eat about 4 every morning, fried in lots of butter... but eating them raw would be better if it was not for the fear of getting salmonella....

i know that paleo mayo lasts about a week in the fridge... i have made that several times... and i did use raw eggs, but they were from friends' cage free organic chickens, and i was not that worried about salmonella....

[Hellistile]

Speaking of eggs smothered in butter, I thought dairy products (including butter, cheese, cream, etc) were not allowed on the NeanderThin eating plan?

[PaleoDeano]

Hellistile! http://forum.lowcarber.org/images/smilies/blush.gif (http://forum.lowcarber.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)
You are absolutely correct! http://forum.lowcarber.org/images/smilies/agree.gif (http://forum.lowcarber.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)

It is the fat that most people are looking for when they do the dairy. BUT... I for one am getting OFF the dairy. I was off of it for over a year, and then was worried about not getting enough animal fat, so started doing a bit of butter and cheese. However, I really do not like it! Foreign proteins and other problems! http://forum.lowcarber.org/images/smilies/eek.gif (http://forum.lowcarber.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies#) So, am getting OFF of it! One way to get more animal fat is to make pemmican! There is a thread about it. I am getting fat from an older bison and am going to make a whole bunch of it for this winter (and freeze it).

That is one thing you must be aware of, is you need to find a way to get lots of animal fat in your diet. Without butter and cheese, it can be quite the challenge.

Thanks for gettin' on us for this! :nono: Good job! :)

[Hellistile]

Dean:
I started NeanderThin yesterday (after doing Atkins for almost 6 months) and just by cutting out my dairy and increasing my meat and veggies I lost 3 pounds overnight! LOL. Anyway, I like to bake my meat and use the fat drippings from it as sort of a gravy but without adding anything to it. Plus I like the fat on the meat, especially crispy chicken skin, pork chop fat, etc. Is this OK as good edible animal fat? Or do I have to look for it elsewhere?

[PaleoDeano]

That is great! Looks like you will do very well with this woe!
:yay:

One thing you might want to be aware of (if you aren't already) is that commercially raised animals are fed tons of grains and are given hormones and lots of other junk. I have checked around via the internet and found many farms around where I live. After trying out various ones, and calling and talking to them, I now have a very good farm to get grass-fed lamb and beef, free-range chickens, pork, turkeys... all of this is completely natural and organic (and you can tell by the taste of the meat). I have another farm where I get my bison. Right now I am working on finding a good place to get deer and elk. Another advantage to this is you can communicate directly with the processor and get it like you want. Once you develop personal relationships with the farmers and the processors you can really get a lot of things you would normally not be able to. For instance, you can have the heart of a bison along with some bison fat ground up into the bison burger (that makes it taste so rich!... and talk about healthy!). You can get the round sliced thin and then dehydrate it to make jerky or pemmican. You can ask for slabs of fat to make pemmican (or to cook with). You can even get brains, and bones for marrow, etc. The omega 3/6 ratios of the fat in these animals is like it should be. With a grain fed animal it is WAY off! And that has dire consequences for human health.

And, of course factory farms not only produce food that will hurt human health, but think about what they put the animals through! Where I get the chickens, lamb, etc. when I go to that farm I see happy chickens running loose all over the place, and healthy sheep and geese, and pigs and cows, etc. Some friends of mine live out in the country (very near to the bison farm I get bison from). They have a bunch of south american chickens that lay the most beautiful eggs you will ever see. They are the best tasting eggs I have ever eaten. These chickens are running free and even roost in the trees (which is what south american chickens do). I feel great to eat these types of eggs, and feel great that the chickens I get them from are not tied down to a spot where they just lay eggs onto a conveyer belt all day long, their wings and beaks clipped and they can never even move their whole lives! And, if you have ever seen cows in a feedlot, and what they go through for the last 100-300 days of their lives, as they get sicker and sicker eating grains! It is very pathetic!
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anyway, it is something to think about.

take care, and keep up the diet... sounds like you are doing fantastic!
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[Hellistile]

I am able to get free-run chicken, turkey, range ostrich and bison meat for my cats from certain holistic pet shops and veterinarians here in town, but I haven't had a chance to look for these same meats made for human consumption and where they are located. My problem is space. I live in a tiny apartment with a tiny fridge with a tinier freezer compartment. Buying the raw cat food is enough to fill half the freezer compartment for their monthly needs. Perhaps I should contact the pet shop to see if they have contact numbers for the cat food manufacturer who can then give me a contact name for the people who grow these animals. It's a plan. Even though it would be impractical for me to buy directly from the farm in larger quantities, they must be selling their produce to someone here in town. Great idea.

[sunkist]

I know Dean
That is SOOO sad for the poor little chickens!! I swear - sometimes that's why I bordered on veganism because i felt like if I could NOT eat animal products at least I wouldn't be contributing to this sadness.

But if I go back to my own heritage - The Cherokee did eat deer and buffalo, yet they didn't overkill - they killed and used every part of the animal and they were reverant and thankful. So once again - it;s all about balance!

But I do feel better with not quite so much cooked protein ( this could be due to my own bodies quirks and not something everyone would thrive on though!)

Anyway - it sounds like we are all learning quite a bit about a healthy way of eating and getting back to nature in a sensible way!!! :wiggle:

[sunkist]

Hi Helli

It IS hard when you have small storage space - but it sounds like you are working it out!

My two dogs ( 130 pound Rottweiler & 7 pound Pomeranian :lol: ) both LOVE raw meat & raw eggs. I give them both some of that every day. My Pomeranian is just a puppy and will eat ANYTHING - but my Rottweiler (9 yrs old) is VERY picky and will eat : MEAT, BUTTER, RAW EGGS, COOKED EGGS, MILK, CHEESE, HIS DOG FOOD, an occasional cookie. He won't ever eat anything that is artifically flavored, or anything like soy cheese - no junk food, no prepared food. I say that if HE turns his nose up at something, it must be bad for you!!!

My grandmother had a huge cat in Sweden who was part wildcat (i don't know what breed). Apparently from family tales (tall tales? :roll: ) they fed it raw brains, liver, kideny's etc, but it went mad and my Grandfather had to shoot it!! maybe there was some sort of parasite in the raw meat that went to his brain and drove it crazy. I don't know too much about that kind of stuff though!!

[Lobstergal]

If butter is not allowed then what about using olive oil to get enough fat?

I have the Neanderthin book and am just halfway through reading it and am thinking of doing it instead of Atkins. It seems very sensible to me.

I like the idea of eating raw egg yolks but I do not have access to free range eggs. I am on a limited income and get my eggs from the supermarket.
Would eating those raw hurt me? I was thinking if I thoroughly wash the shell of the egg in warm water before cracking it open it might be helpful to remove any little germs.

[nela]

I don't use butter in cooking, don't like the taste. Olive oil is delicious though. I buy the locally made stuff which is pure gold and has an intense flavor. Beats butter any day! LOL.

It's also very good in that it lowers cholesterol and has many other properties that butter just doesn't have. The people in the Mediterranean Basin have been eating it for centuries and the incidence of skin cancer is among the lowest in the world. It's very sunny here, BTW. Also, as a beauty aid, it's amazing....supple skin, shiny hair, etc. It has antioxidants, so you age much slower.

[Hellistile]

Europeans have the advantage of more natural farming as opposed to north americans. Chickens, ducks and geese run free and cows roam pastures eating grass, for example. Therefore all products, be they eggs, poultry products, meat, beef, cheese, butter, milk, are more pure and natural. Regarding lot's of sun and low rates of cancer, I read an article that proported that skin cancer was due to a person's injestion of hydrogenated fats, trans fats, and vegetable fats (such as corn, sunflower, canola) causing a chemical reaction once the sun's rays hit the skin. I think it was in the cancer section of Barry Groves' very excellent website "Second Opinions", which I suggest everyone read at their leisure. Some very interesting stuff. Anyway, I agree with Nela. It is unfortunate that here in North America it is much more difficult to find naturally raised or grown products.

Lobstergal, I am also in the same boat as you in that I am on a very limited budget. I am however able to purchase some organic products at my local supermarket, such as free run eggs, green vegetables, but not much else. If you have farmer's markets in your town or city, check those out. They sometimes sell free range chicken and eggs, and such. Also, I only use olive oil in my salads not for cooking. I only use coconut oil for cooking because of it's ability to remain stable at all temperatures. Butter would be ok if you could get it from grass-fed cows, and to place on cooked vegetables, but, again, not for cooking with.