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Ebbie.B
Sat, Aug-16-03, 10:09
I decided that enough is enough and we need to get through to these supermarkets. So i wrote my begging letter for LC products and Stevia in word and copied and pasted it to each supermarket, just changing the name of the store in each email.
It really didn't take me long to do it.
If we all do this and get other people to do it too (people in other forums, friends, family etc doesn't matter if they dont LC) then hopefully they will see there is a demand for these products and that they are missing out.
These are the stores that i emailed, if i have missed any please say and i'll email them too!
www.asda.co.uk (http://www.asda.co.uk)
www.tesco.co.uk (http://www.tesco.co.uk)
www.somerfield.co.uk (http://www.somerfield.co.uk)
www.safeway.co.uk (http://www.safeway.co.uk)
www.sainsbury.co.uk (http://www.sainsbury.co.uk)
www.waitrose.com (http://www.waitrose.com) (there isn't a store near me but emailed them anyway lol)
www.marksandspencer.com (http://www.marksandspencer.com)
pepsi max
Sat, Aug-16-03, 10:33
clever girl ebbie,i,ll get right to it.
Ebbie.B
Sat, Aug-16-03, 10:50
And another one:
Just emailed GNC www.gnc.co.uk (http://www.gnc.co.uk)
Been searching for H&B but not had any luck as yet, anyone know their web address?
RCFletcher
Sat, Aug-16-03, 10:50
Stevia is banned in the UK and the EU. You're writing to the wrong people with regard to that one.
Ebbie.B
Sat, Aug-16-03, 10:55
I know Rob, but a little person like me can't do anything about that. However nice big corporations can:D
Also if i can buy this online from the UK i should be able to buy it from a store:agree:
Ebbie.B
Sat, Aug-16-03, 11:02
:D Found it
www.hollandandbarrett.com (http://www.hollandandbarrett.com)
RCFletcher
Sat, Aug-16-03, 11:04
If you buy it online you are breaking the law by importing it into the UK. I'm all with you on the low carb foods in British supermarkets thing but why Stevia? Doesn't it have a nasty licquorice aftertaste? I'm happy enough we got splenda at the moment.
Ebbie.B
Sat, Aug-16-03, 11:24
I'm not the one importing it to the UK, i can buy it online from the UK. If they are breaking the law then thats down to them. I haven't tried it as yet but from what i have heard i would certainly like to give it a try.
Stevia is a natural product where as splenda is chemically made. From what i have read on AS including splenda i believe the least i eat of this the better, as heaven knows what the long term health effects are.:cool:
pepsi max
Sat, Aug-16-03, 11:40
i think we should concentrate on getting the l-c products made available first.its a fight that we have a chance of winning as there is profits for the supermarkets in that.
the stevia is going to be more of a government issue as it it illegal at the moment.
i,ve emed the supermarkets,stating that there is a massive l-c following in this country and they are missing out by not stocking the l-c foods that they sell abroard.if we all do this,we might have a good chance of seeing some changes on our shelves.
Vanilla
Sat, Aug-16-03, 13:03
I've emailed some supermarkets. I'm hoping all the recent publicity about Atkins will be making the pound signs flash for them!
RCFletcher
Sat, Aug-16-03, 13:46
It's all so silly. Safeways make 'reduced sugar and salt' ketchup. OK, 14g of carbs is better than 25 by why not go the whole hog and produce a 'sugar free' ketchup'. Anyone on any weight reducing diet would welcome more sugar free products - not to mention diabetics. - Think I'll write to Safeways. maybe we should also congratulate firms which do sell LC products even if it is by accident. I bought some lovely low carb (0.5 per 100) sausages in Lidl today!
jaqui
Sat, Aug-16-03, 14:39
I am now off to e-mail all companies regarding lc foods. Thanks for the web addressess
lburnikell
Sat, Aug-16-03, 16:41
Thanks for posting those E-mail address they will come in handy when i have got enough info to bombard them with!! Please all respond to my poll about where do you buy your shopping from??
HumminBird
Sun, Aug-17-03, 07:07
Stevia is banned in the UK and the EU.
Why?
Has anyone tried Morrisons? We could even give Netto ago! I'm gonna email them all as soon as I can. Thanks for the addresses. Have you had any replies yet?
Ebbie.B
Sun, Aug-17-03, 07:24
I have had a reply from Waitrose. They thanked me for my email and have forward it onto their nutritionist, (Oh god help us!)
About Stevia have a look at the other thread about it in this forum (legalisation of Stevia) it will tell you a bit more:D
lissa uk
Sun, Aug-17-03, 13:13
Hi
count me in, emails will be sent this evening !!!
lisa
Ebbie.B
Sun, Aug-17-03, 13:13
Here's my reply from tesco. When i have calmed down i will reply to it!!!:bash:
Thank you for contacting us with your request for us to stock low
carbohydrate products.
Because it is our Buying Teams who decide what we sell in our stores, I
have passed a copy of your letter to their department. I cannot guarantee anything, but I can assure you the matter will be given consideration.
At Tesco, we are concerned that there has not been enough research into the long term effects of being on the Atkins diet. The diet is not very old as it was only launched in early 90's
There has been good & bad press about Atkins so there are various pro's & con's. We are looking at possibly stocking the Atkins branded products soon.
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us.
Kind Regards
Adrian Russell
Customer Service Manager
If you wish to contact us please click on one of the following links.
UK customers - http://www.tesco.com/contact.htm (http://www.tesco.com/contact.htm)
Republic of Ireland customers - http://www.tesco.ie/contact.htm (http://www.tesco.ie/contact.htm)
pepsi max
Sun, Aug-17-03, 13:20
grrrrrr,give em what for ebbie!
suleika
Sun, Aug-17-03, 13:32
Hi to all. Tholian8's other half, and an actual Brit.
I started to write an email to Waitrose (where we shop most) and I got stuck. So I am posting here just to check; what are you actually asking the supermarket for? I want them to power-buy low or no-sugar sauces, dressings, tinned things, ready meals, deli items etc, but are you also asking for particular things that they don't stock at all? I'm being a little bit Duh (actually I am ill with a cold) so bear with me and scribble some ideas down if you have a minute.
Thanks
In solidarity
Gez
Ebbie.B
Sun, Aug-17-03, 13:41
I asked them to stock more low carb products and/or Atkins products or similar.
Also the shops that already have seperate aisles for special diets eg, wheat free etc i suggest they could be stocked there.
Still fuming over Tesco's email, 1990's!!!!!!!, and what they saying it's ok for me to have a diet of chocolate and crisps as they sell them!!!! grrrrrrrr
LittleAnne
Sun, Aug-17-03, 14:17
Keep up the good work girls. I'll do some emailing if I get a spare minute or three!!!!
UrbanGypsy
Wed, Aug-20-03, 04:15
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At Tesco, we are concerned that there has not been enough research into the long term effects of being on the Atkins diet.
As opposed to... what? Smoking, the long term effects of which they're certain are 100% safe...? Nice to know they're prioritising people's health over and above profit... :rolleyes:
We have a Tesco's up the road... Sells a vast number of cakes, cream cakes, biscuits, sweets, fizzy drinks, and so on. Pure 100% trash food. Now where's their concern at the research in to long term effects when they ordered that in?!
If only they'd read the scientific research on Atkins before damning it out of hand based purely on word of mouth propoganda. :(
PS... Fantastic suggestion Ebbie! Sorry I'm a bit late to the thread, but I'll definitely get on to mailing all the companies.
UrbanGypsy
Wed, Aug-20-03, 07:26
Also occurred to me another string to our bow is to simply keep an eye out in your local supermarkets for their comments and suggestions box. Most of them have one... if they're getting direct requests in store for low carb stuff, it might help.
Especially for folk who presently buy Atkins products online at places like Carblife... just tell them how much of your money is going elsewhere each week and they'll soon rethink their "ethics"!!! :lol:
Sinbad
Wed, Aug-20-03, 07:43
Hiya!
Perhaps we should approach this slightly differently, in view of such closed-mindedness about Atkins...
Maybe let's not mention the diet at all, but say that we're living a lifestyle in which we choose to reduce our refined carbohydrate intake, and to this end would they look at stocking things like soya flour or other carb-free or low-carb alternatives, as well as some snacks and things?
That way it's not up to the supermarket to judge the "diet" but only to cater towards a different lifestyle (which they do with the smoking, etc)...
Just a suggestion :)
Steven
Ebbie.B
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:04
I had to go into Tesco's today to have something to eat. When it finally got to my turn (loads of staff standing chatting only one serving as usual) i asked if the sausage's contained any wheat (i have a wheat intolerance)
The girl went out the back came back and said 'yeah they do', i asked her if that was the case with the vegetarian sausages as well (it was too complicated for her to ask about them the first time) so off she went out the back came back and said 'yeah they do'. Wasn't 100% sure she had actually checked but wasn't going to take the risk so just settled for egg and bacon. A few minutes later someone in the queue moaned about the amount of time they had been waiting and one of the girls (not even the one that had served me!) Said 'i'm sorry but we can't help it if we have people questioning everything they want to eat because they are on that Atkins diet'. Well to say i went mad was an understatement, i let rip at the girl who made the comment told her and the people around who could hear about my condition and what happens in very graphic detail if i do eat wheat (ha that made the queue shorter!!) told her where she could stick her eggs and bacon and went off to customer services to complain.
Well after standing in the queue there for 10 minutes while the 2 members of staff chatted to each other, i'd had enough and walked out before i exploded. I will not be putting one foot inside that store again, and as i work in community care that is not only my business they have lost but also all the clients i do shopping for!
Anyway gone off the point a bit haven't i, just by asking for LC food or wheat free for that matter we will be labelled as 'Atkins dieters' whether we are actually following the diet or not.:mad:
jaqui
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:09
I've had a reply from ASDA saying thank you very much for your suggestion,We were very interested to hear your suggestion and have passed it onto the relevant team here at ASDA House. We are always pleased to receive feed back from our customers and I am grateful to you for taking the time to contact us.
very polite don't you think? but not convinced this will actually go anywhere this is probably a standard response. :p
Oh well keep trying, but as of yet only ones who have responded to me.
Ebbie.B
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:16
Sounds like the reply i got Jaqui, so it probably is a standard reply.
Hopefully though it is someones job to actually read these emails so with lots asking for the same thing, they might just take notice and start stocking LC!!
jaqui
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:18
well you never know, if we all send one in they will surley have to stop and re-think their ideas.
Ebbie.B
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:31
My reply from Holland and Barrett;
Thank-you for your e-mail
We do stock some low carb bars and protein powders. We are reviewing
our
range and testing out a number of new products for sale in our stores.
We
stock soya flour, which is popular with Atkin's Dieters. We also stock
a
multivitamin without iron (ABC Plus Senior) and a product called Carb
Curb
which contains White Kidney Bean, Chromium and Gymnema Sylvestre which
helps to curb cravings for carbohydrates.
We do not stock Stevia as it is classed as a novel food with no
nutritional
benefit in this country. (But artifical sweetners are ok????)
We hope this helps. If you require any further information please do
not
hesitate to contact us
Regards
Claire Nicholls
Customer Services
Ebbie.B
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:34
My reply from Marks and Spencers :mad:
Dear Ebbie,
Thank you for your email.
At present we have no plans to introduce a range specifically for low
carb
diets. However, it is always useful to have this sort of feedback to
consider when planning future lines. I will pass your email onto our
development department so they can be made aware of your comments.
Best wishes,
Jennet
UrbanGypsy
Wed, Aug-20-03, 10:35
Hi Ebbie :)
Seriously sounds like you should take time to write to Tesco's head office and lodge a formal complaint about that. Atkins or no, that's a disgraceful way to treat any customer. :(
As for sausages (you could always make your own?), its worth having a look at the quorn range. I can't say for certain, but I seem to remember they were wheat free. On the plus side for you, the only reason I don't buy them is because they taste too sausagey! :lol:
I don't think Waitrose has spread as far as Sussex yet, has it? Only they've really pulled their socks up in the wheat/gluten free department... had some fantastic stuff on offer last time I was there!
Anyway... you deserve to be sainted for keeping your temper as well as you did! I hereby dub you, Saint Ebbie! :angel:
Ebbie.B
Wed, Aug-20-03, 11:16
Well considering i was ranting and raving at the girl i was very surprised nobody in management heard and came over, they probably did hear and went and hid! LOL
Unfortunately been here before with stores and i have never got anywhere. The worst one was when i was 8 months pregnant in the Co-op i was standing by the veg when the next thing i knew i was pushed flying and was only stopped from hitting the floor by my DH grabbing me. One of the shop workers had pushed me as i was standing where she wanted to restock, she never said a word before pushing me nor offered any appology afterwards. We complained to the manager but because the girl had Down syndrome he said that he would not be able to take any action against her. Now i support the rights of all disabled workers, but if this girl's condition was this bad she shouldn't of been allowed to work on the shop floor. We threatened legal action and wrote to the Co-ops head office but that didn't get us anywhere and then with my DD arrival it got left. I have heard many other similar stories about this girl but still to this day she works there.
Had a good result at Asda once though. My DH brought a rhubarb crumble but being a man didn't notice the sticker pricing it at £8!!
Took it back wasn't angry at all, even found it funny when she said that no one else had noticed and bought it back. Anyway got another crumble, £8 refund and vouchers for £25 for my trouble!
SunnyLady2
Wed, Aug-20-03, 17:02
"I had to go into Tesco's today to have something to eat. When it finally got to my turn (loads of staff standing chatting only one serving as usual) i asked if the sausage's contained any wheat (i have a wheat intolerance)"
I hope you send a copy of your email to the store manager and to the head office. [separate thread - still awaiting my reply from Sainsbury who say they respond to every email - hope the rest of you have had better luck!] SL
LisaUK
Thu, Aug-21-03, 01:18
Don't write to Tesco, call them and complain at the store manager. They had labelled some cookies wrong once and my friend bought choc chip and found out they had peanuts in. She went MAD at them, saying how her son was desperately allergic blah bah blah. She got a full refund, more cookies and £25 in vouchers. REALLY HAVE A GO!!! Find out that girl's name too. She's no business being in a customer oriented business if she can't behave.
lissa uk
Thu, Aug-21-03, 03:47
Hi Ebbie,
Dont know if this helps but Safeways stock Gluten free Sausages, and they are really yummy !
Good on you for having a go at the shop assistants, still think you should take the matter further though !!
Lisa
rustpot
Thu, Aug-21-03, 04:29
Stevia and Splenda were recommended by Atkins as acceptable sweetners because of the potential harmful effects of Aspartame the main ingredient in food industry "diet" ranges and most sweetners on the shelves.
Splenda is sucrolose, a product of sugar itself and has passed all the food agency rigorous tests.
This is not true of Stevia. Nor does Stevia have the authentic sugar tasting quality of Splenda. (I have tried both)
I suggest our campaign should be to press for liquid Splenda to be introduced as a table top product and for the food industry to switch from Aspartame to Sucrolose.
The following gives the case against Stevia. It is a strange fact of life that most beneficial drugs and most poisons are natural extracts of plants. Some berries are edible others not. Some mushrooms edible some not. Just because something is natural does not necessarily make it safe to eat.
Stevioside is a high intensity sweetener, 250-300 times sweeter than sugar
It is isolated and purified from the leaves of the Stevia plant (Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni), where it is present at levels up to 13%, and has been used for a number of years as a sweetener in South America, Asia, Japan and China.
As a result of the outcome of safety assessments which have been carried out Stevia and stevioside are not permitted for sale as food or food ingredients in the UK or elsewhere within the EU.
Sweeteners and other food additives are tightly regulated within the European Union (EU) and may only be used once their safety has been rigorously assessed.
The EC Scientific Committee on Food (SCF) is an independent committee that advises the European Commission on questions concerning consumer health and food safety, in particular relating to toxicology and food hygiene.
The SCF identified safety problems with stevioside and steadfastly rejected applications to market the plant and its products as sweeteners and as novel foods within the European Union. No amount of lobbying to the supermarkets will change this.
Stevioside was first considered by the SCF for approval for use as a sweetener within the EU in 1985 and the review was updated in 1989.
On both occasions the Committee raised several questions of concern and concluded that, based on the submitted documentation, it could not accept its use. Extracts from Stevia rebaudiana leaves were also considered as toxicologically not acceptable.
A further application for approval of stevioside was received by the European Commission in 1998 and again referred to the SCF.
The data considered by the Committee indicated that the extract has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
The Committee concluded that stevioside was not acceptable as a sweetener.
In 1998 a request was made for Stevia (the plants and dried leaves of Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni) to be marketed as a novel food under the EU novel foods legislation (Regulation 258/97(EC)).
The application was initially evaluated by the Belgian Authorities who recommended that the product should not be approved.
The product was then considered in the UK by the Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes (ACNFP) as part of the approval process for novel foods.
The ACNFP agreed with the opinion of the Belgian Authorities and recommended that the product should not be approved due to lack of information supporting its safety, a view that was shared by a number of other Member States. The application was subsequently referred to the SCF.
The SCF concluded in June 1999 that the information submitted on the plant products was insufficient with regard to specification and standardisation of the commercial product and contained no safety studies.
There was no satisfactory data to support the safe use of these products as ingredients in food or as sucrose substitutes.
In December 1999 the Joint MAFF/DH Food Safety and Standards Group wrote to various companies known to be trading in Stevia products, informing them of the SCF’s opinion and stating that Stevia should not be offered for sale as a food or food ingredient in the UK.
Just emailed them all, hope it works, let you know of any feed back, I went heavily on the diabetic theme too, see if that helps.
RCFletcher
Thu, Aug-21-03, 07:04
Splenda is available as a table top sweeetener everywhere in the UK - Tescos, Superdrug etc. You can buy it as a powder and the usual little tablets.
UrbanGypsy
Thu, Aug-21-03, 07:31
And is still made with chlorine, no matter how patronising the earlier comment about natural products was. Sigh...
Count me out in the campaign for more of the stuff. :(
RCFletcher
Thu, Aug-21-03, 07:50
I wasn't saying I liked it or thought it was healthy - I was just pointing out to rustpot that it is available. I prefer saccharine - I can't taste the aftertaste everyone talks about - maybe I've got used to it.
Ideally we should have the choice - splenda, stevia or what have you. I'm fed up with the nanny state with its 'you can't buy more than 16 aspirins or you might kill yourself' attitude.
UrbanGypsy
Thu, Aug-21-03, 08:36
My sincere apologies, Robert... I wasn't for one moment meaning to imply you'd said anything of the kind. Likewise, I was largely referring to the earlier post...
As you say, Splenda is readily available for those who wish to buy it. :) Even better that you find saccharine works for you... I hope you feel duly smug whilst others scrabble for alternatives! :lol:
Its the hypocrisy which gets me I guess. That and the frequent decision to ban natural products on the basis of alleged contra-indications without applying the same yardstick to chemical ones.
As for stevia... I'm learning not to waste my energy on that topic here. But it's not like folk on this forum aren't well practised at fighting through the nonsensical assertions of the "authorities" to get to the truth... :)
The origin of this thread was about persuading the supermarkets to stock more low carbohydrate products. Something I was happy to support. Seems to have turned in to an obsession about sugar substitutes instead... which, personally, I think is a shame.
rustpot
Thu, Aug-21-03, 08:40
Sorry guys, Moi was not trying to be patronising merely informative.
Ebbie B had said that Stevia was naturally made whereas Splenda was chemically made. I was suggesting that things natural need not necessarily be safe. It is also true that things chemically made need not necessarily be harmfull. Neither is an argument for advocating use.
I agree with Rob that particular sweetners are a matter of individual taste.
Liquid Splenda is not available in table top form. Sachets, Granular, and tablets are, following the approval of Splenda by UK food authorities.
My key point in this thread was that if we were petitioning stores my vote would be to urge them to put pressure on thier suppliers to replace Aspartame with Sucrolose as a safer option with no loss of taste.
UrbanGypsy
Thu, Aug-21-03, 08:57
"When asked to choose between chewing on real nightshade and artificial, tests show 9 out of 10 users actively prefer to live..." :lol:
Its a fair comment Rustpot... it never does to assume "natural" and "safe" are one and the same thing. Though I'm severely chemically intolerent, so in my case chemical things are pretty much guaranteed to be harmful! ;)
As Atkins has proved to us all, you can't always trust the word of the authorities! Dubious terms like "could affect fertility" make me wonder what an impartial scientist or doctor's findings would be. It'd also be interesting to know what research has been done with the tribes in the area it comes from.
rustpot
Thu, Aug-21-03, 09:22
I share your healthy sceptism of "authorities".
I was not suprised to see that Susan Jebb the nutritionist savaging Atkins in the press recently is employed by the Flour industry to do a study on obesity.
Are there any impartial scientists left?
I am also passionate about unrefined natural foods.
We could, if we put our minds to it, create a massive list of no no's, bombarding the supermarkets against E numbers in our food, unnecessary preservatives, tartrazine in childrens drinks, the over use of salt, added sugar, misleading low fat marketing etc. etc.
I wholeheatedly support the central tenet of this thread to to put shoppers pressure on Supermarkets to cater for the LC way of eating.
We have perhaps got sidetracked on just one element of such an LC campaign - sugar replacement.
Nor am I qualified to support or criticise the Scientific Committee on Food.
I have tried Stevia with no personal ill effects, and my gut instinct is that the harmfull suggestions are overblown cautious nonsense.
The fact is that Splenda is available and Stevia unlikely in the foreseeable future. We would be better off not using any sweetners at all.
RCFletcher
Thu, Aug-21-03, 11:25
I haven't done my bit yet. I'm going to get back on track and e-mail a few supermarkets this weekend. I shan't mention Atkins; just congratulate them on the low carb products they've got and suggest more, different lines they might stock. I think hitting out at sugar might be productive. It wouldn't be too dificult for one of them to market a sugar free ketchup for example - and it would be welcomed by all dieters - even the calorie counting brigade to say nothing of diabetics and saving children's teeth.
Yes RC thats what I did, I think it would be recieved better in the current situation with the press etc. Plus I didn't mention the stevia thing as I think the LC products are more important to everyone I myself am happy with Splenda and only have two a day in a decaff anyway.
Ebbie.B
Thu, Aug-21-03, 14:15
And is still made with chlorine, no matter how patronising the earlier comment about natural products was. Sigh...
Count me out in the campaign for more of the stuff. :(
Totally agree with you Gypsy. There still a major ? over the safety of the long term use of these sweeteners, and from what they contain and how they are made i would not touch these products. I wouldn't give them to my children so why should i use them.
I have never tried any type of AS (apart from in diet coke, that i now do not drink unless i have to have a Vodka:D) but from what i have heard they all have some sort of nasty aftertaste.
Stevia has been used for many years in other Countries and i have found no research from other Countries to suggest that Stevia has long term side affects. If i'm wrong please give me the links to this research.
There has been a couple of anti Stevia threads now, and i have no idea why??? Surely what is important is OUR right to eat and drink what we choose.
pepsi max
Thu, Aug-21-03, 14:20
quite agree ebbie,i can,t see why we can,t have it either but as i understand it,its an eu issue.on the other hand,i wonder what the sweetener industries have got to do with it.they seem to carry a lot of weight in uk.
Ebbie.B
Thu, Aug-21-03, 14:33
That is exactly the feeling i have got from all the information i have read on both Stevia and AS Christine.
That makes me even more angry as i will not have decided for me what i can and can't eat when it's only down to sugar companies profits.
People who use AS have the choice to 'take the risk' of using the products, so why can't i 'take the risk' with Stevia?
pepsi max
Thu, Aug-21-03, 14:48
beats me when now cannabis is no longer illegal.just think, you could get arrested for having stevia and not cannabis.crazy!
Ebbie.B
Thu, Aug-21-03, 15:18
OOOOOOOOO Christine wacky baccy is still illegal so be careful...lol
They have just down classed it and are ignoring personal use (usually)
Not that i am saying i'm a pot head but about time too, it's the hard drugs our boys in blue should be spending their time on.
pepsi max
Thu, Aug-21-03, 15:32
yep,my point is,there are things being sold here that are known to be dangerous and they,re still for sale ie,ciggies,booze (which i like as you know)so i can,t see why not stevia.its an infringement on our rights.
pepsi max
Thu, Aug-21-03, 15:35
one other thing,i don,t think we,ll get anywhere with the stevia thing,but we might have a chance with the l-c products if we all keep plugging away.you never know do you.i haven,t had any replies back yet but i,m hopeful.lets keep up the good work!
UrbanGypsy
Thu, Aug-21-03, 17:05
That makes me even more angry as i will not have decided for me what i can and can't eat when it's only down to sugar companies profits.
Its the same with a lot of natural versus chemical products unfortunately.
Not so long ago they were trying to ban St John's Wort; a herb which has helped countless depressives, often where conventional medicine has failed.
Their reason? It might affect the effectiveness of the contraceptive pill. :rolleyes: Of course, so can drinking six pints of lager and then throwing up... which is far more likely to land you in a position (provided they didn't see you throw up :lol: ) where you need the pill to be effective!!!
So at least its not personal to us sugar fiends! ;) They'll get there eventually... they just have to take a couple of generations to scientifically prove what the rest of us knew all along!
Of course, our cannibis laws are particularly ironic when you consider how much of our country is named after the stuff...
tholian8
Thu, Aug-21-03, 18:02
Ebbie: That Tesco clerk needed what we call a "bitch slap."
Emily
Got the standard reply from Tesco, will pass it on to their buying team but make no promises etc.
pepsi max
Fri, Aug-22-03, 01:45
got one from asda,said pretty much the same.
jaqui
Fri, Aug-22-03, 14:07
well I went into Holland and Barrett in local town and bought soem soya flour. Lady behind counter said ih I see your on Atkins and gace such a disaproving look, I was really shocked as this was my first visit as just finished induction and from posts I have read on here I assumed they would be OK, but no, that was def no the impression I got!!
Oh well, keep trying and next time I'm off to another branch of H and B, they can have my business
UrbanGypsy
Fri, Aug-22-03, 14:14
Wow... that's a disgusting attitude to take! :(
I'm afraid I like H&B for one reason and one reason only... they do a good job of harrassing the government out of ludicrous random food bans. Can't say I'd actually shop there if I could avoid it.
But folk have had wheat allergies for a long, long time... assuming someone buys soya flour purely because of one diet is ridiculous!
Its like me going to buy teatree because I have a sore throat and the shop assistant saying "I see you're treating acne then"!
Their loss though as you say, Jaqui... what fools.
jaqui
Thu, Aug-28-03, 06:04
I have had a reply from Sainsburys today and has been my most positive response so far......
I am sorry to say that we don't sell products which are specifically low in carbohydrates in any of our stores at present. Our buyers haven't anticipated a demand for the product and to date I am not aware that we have had any other requests to stock any.
I will, however, let our buyers know of your interest and if more customers request that we stock the products, it is possible that it may eventually appear on our shelves.
I am sorry to disappoint you, but thank you very much for writing. We are always looking for new products that will appeal to our customers, so I am grateful to you for letting us know.
How about us all bombarding Sainsburys you never know they may go with demand!!!!!!!!!
Ebbie.B
Thu, Aug-28-03, 08:42
wow Jaqui lucky you
I am still waiting for a reply from Sainsbury's. I had given up but it looks likes that they might be just very slow in answering emails.
I was in my local Sainsbury's last night and yet again the macadamia nuts in the baking aisle were sold out. However i was taken to the nut aisle where they had macadamia nuts but were salted. This is a new addition to my local Sainsbury's they must have noticed a demand for Macadamia nuts, shame the buyers haven't put the connection with 'Atkins'
I may email them again pointng out that a new demand for certain food items shows a lot of shoppers are probably on the Atkins diet.
jaqui
Thu, Aug-28-03, 12:28
Good idea I will do the same and yes saisburys did take ages to respond to my original e-mail
UrbanGypsy
Thu, Aug-28-03, 13:22
a lot of shoppers are probably on the Atkins diet.
I think my family are turning in to a classic case! I went on the diet because my fiance had been on (and is going back on as of next Monday :yay: ) the diet. Because I found out how well it worked, I put my mum on the diet. Then I found out my sister was on the diet. Then she came to visit today, discovered there's plenty her vegetarian partner could be eating and thinks he'll go on the diet now. Her best friend found out how well it helped her and she's on the diet now. Her best friend's husband saw how well his wife was doing so now he's on the diet...
You know, if there's one thing I learnt after a hellish year working in advertising, it's that there's no such thing as an advert more effective (or able to combat) word of mouth! :lol:
I can't see it being too much longer before there's enough people doing really well on this way of eating that we reach a kind of critical mass which sees a huge reversal of attitudes from folk like the supermarkets... who can't help but influence the government in turn.
Vive la revolution I say! :lol:
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