Atkins specific question

[JamieDoyle]

(Atkins specific question coming up)

I have read various threads on measuring Vegetables and Salad etc and people have stated that it's Floz. But in DANDR 2002 edition there are gram weights for the salad and veg. Help ?

Also there are two different numbers.

p123, point 3
You can eat approximately 250g loose packed salad, or 170g of salad plus 80g of other veg.
but
p125-126
You can have 230-340g per day - Salad Vegetables .....You can have 140-200g per day of other vegetable as long as salad does not exceed 230g

Page 229 seems to reinforce the 2nd one with...
You may have up to 340g loosely packed salad veg a day......Other vegetable low in crabs are limited to 200g a day. If you have this only consume 230g of salad vegetables

Can anyone ease my confusion. Loose packed implies volume measurement but obviously grams are weight :read2:

Thanks
Jamie

[JamieDoyle]

OK so I accidentally typed Crabs not carbs in there !

[pepsi max]

saw that,got a laugh.LOL.
i,m still looking at the book.

[Ebbie.B]

Your good at spotting these things Jamie i have never noticed that. Well after rereading and rereading i'm still none the wiser.

LOL LOL didn't notice you had crabs either:D

[UrbanGypsy]

I seem to have a 1999 copy, so the page numbers are utterly different... I'm afraid I haven't a clue either!

Good luck finding out though!

[Ebbie.B]

While we all have our books out :read:

Can you help me with my pig mystery?
In the carb gram counter (page 502) it says
3 rashers back bacon 0.9
3 rashers streaky bacon 0.1

Now pork has no carbs so where are these carbs coming from? and why are the amounts different or does different bits of pig have different carbs lol lol.

[pepsi max]

the only thing i can think of is that streaky bacon has more fat and fat has no carbs

[Ebbie.B]

yeah i thought that too, but pork is also no carbs.

One more post and you get your steak!!!!!

[pepsi max]

not the way this computer is tonight.i,ve tried to post the same answer 6 times on my dr b. site and the connections gone every time.grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[pepsi max]

yehhhhhhhh,.my post hasn,t gone to mars again.on the bacon thing having carbs,maybe theres sugar added in the curing process and pork isn,t cured.

[Ebbie.B]

yeah i was thinking along the lines of preservatives etc. Can't you just cut a bit off a pig and have bacon without fiddling with it, oh to be a butcher.

You got your steak!!! :Party:

[pepsi max]

i really don,t like to think about where the bacon comes from.i think pigs are cute.
used to be veggie before atkins.bacon was the thing i gave in to first.i,m weak,i know.

[Ebbie.B]

LOL i know what you mean. Everytime i see a cute little lamb i decide never to eat lamb again. Then about a hour later in Sainsbury's those lamb cutlets just jump into my trolley :D

[LittleAnne]

Going back to Jamie's original question I guess that the loosely packed vegetables are left over from the previous edition when they would have been cup measures and hence a loosely packed cup of salad veggies makes sense.

I'm having to laugh at the Sun's articles on Atkins as they have just copied bits from the Atkins web sites and hence cups and other Americanisms abound. Hardly the best way of introducing this to Sun readers.

On the carbs in Pork Christine, I don't think the pork in the US is anything like our bacon and so I believe that it is cured with sugar, hence the carbs. In the UK bacon certainly does not have any carbs, don't think its full of nitrites either.

[Vanilla]

I emailed the Atkins Centre about the discrepancies in the vegetable weights in the book. They told me that the vegetables should be measured by volume, not weight. [So forget the weights in the book and use fluid oz or cups to measure]. They did say that if you have lettuce, you can have more than the recommended amount. I think it's down to some bad editting when producing the UK edition.

[JamieDoyle]

Thanks. I emailed them too but got no reply !

I'll just do it in cups. And have extra lettuce :-)

No way i could eat 340g salad veg with meat ;-)

Thanks

Jamie

[ehannah]

I joined this forum to try and find the answer to the same question as Jamie - I'm confused by the book's allowances of vegetables and salads. If we take the allowances listed on page 126- 5-7oz vegetables a day if salad does not exceed 8oz- then what happens if you have only 2oz salad? Does this mean you can have a bit more veg?

In general I think I've been eating too many vegetables and salads, as I've been guessing their weight wrongly. I'm looking for an easy way to measure salads. I take it the veg are by weight. I have some American cup measures - how many cups of salad can I have on induction? It all seems very low, I'm not sure if I've got it right. I don't take sweetener in my hot drinks so can I offset that against the extra veg I'm consuming?

[Vanilla]

If I remember correctly, the allowance is 2 cups of salad veggies, then either another cup of salad veggies, or a cup of the other veggies on the allowable list. It certainly is a lot less than the weight measurements givein in the UK edition, which makes me feel that it isn't a precise science. My thinking is that if you're having particularly low-carb veggies it's not going to matter much if you go a little over the recommended amount, but I'd be more careful with things like tomatoes.

My interpretation of the book is that you can't do any 'off-setting'.

I do wish the book was more clear!

[RCFletcher]

I don't think you can overdo the salad provoded you keep to lettuce, cucumber celery and other green things. Tomatoes are a bit high in carbs and may be best left till after induction.

[ehannah]

Thanks for that - I had another shock when I found out on your site that you do not subtract the Fibre from the carbs on UK labels. Perhaps I don't watch the TV enough and this is all old news, but I really think the publishers should be giving the UK updates in inserts with sales of the book.
So your site has been really helpful - if there's any other misinformations then please let me know! Cheers, Hannah

[SteveH57]

I don't think you can overdo the salad provoded you keep to lettuce, cucumber celery and other green things. Tomatoes are a bit high in carbs and may be best left till after induction.
Hi,

While l'm not on the Atkins plan, l would hold back on the cucumber while your on the induction phase, my Carb book shows " Raw, Unpeeled, 5 slices 45g " to be 3g carb. From my own experience 45g is not a lot, l cut a good 3 inch length on day only to find out it was 10g after eating it!

Steve

[LittleAnne]

Hi Steve

I don't know where you got the carb information for cucumber. Here is the nutritional information from Tesco's website.

Typical Values Per 100g (3.5 oz) provide:

Energy 41 KJ / 10 Kcal

Protein 0.7g

Carbohydrate 1.5g

Of Which Sugars 1.4g

Fat 0.1g

Of Which Saturates 0g

Fibre 0.6g

Sodium Trace


Therefore you can easily afford to have 100g or more a day. It will weigh quite heavy as it is mainly water.

[JamieDoyle]

I think the other numbers are from Fitday !

[pepsi max]

my book has cucumber at 3 cgs per 45gs of product but the websites of the shops say less.very odd.it does nothing to my blood sugars though.

[LittleAnne]

I think the other numbers are from Fitday !

Just looked up Fitday and it says for 3.5 oz that it is 2 carbs with 0.5 g fibre. So that agrees with Tesco's.

Do'nt know where the higher value comes from. That is why I call mine UK carbs as they are mainly taken from UK sources of information rather that values from across the pond.

[SteveH57]

Hi Steve

I don't know where you got the carb information for cucumber. Here is the nutritional information from Tesco's website.
Hi,

The info came from the same book as Pepsi Max uses.

When l looked at nutrition.com they had a value of 4g, with a comment that a large proportion of the cals comes from sugars.

Another website said that there are about 100 varieties of cucumbers actively cultivated around the world. so l guess that could explain the wide range in books. Tesco's would no doubt be quoting for the variety it buys.


Steve