Revised Carbs in Booze Table

[SteveH57]

Back from my research again. :)

After UrbanGypsy's comments about the Alcohol Carbs being left out here is the full table :-



Per 100ml ............

Stella ................ 40.0 Cals - 2.9g Carbs + 1.9g alcohol carbs
Holsten Pills ........ 38.0 Cals - 2.4g Carbs + 4.0g alcohol carbs
Fosters .............. 40.0 Cals - 3.1g Carbs + 3.9g alcohol carbs
Becks ................ 41.0 Cals - 3.0g Carbs + 4.0g alcohol carbs
Draught Bitter ..... 32.0 Cals - 2.3g Carbs + 3.1g alcohol carbs
Guinness ............ 30.0 Cals - 1.5g Carbs + 3.3g alcohol carbs
Mild ................... 24.0 Cals - 1.6g Carbs + 2.5g alcohol carbs
Budweiser ........... 40.3 Cals - 2.9g Carbs + 1.5g alcohol carbs
Foster Export ...... 37.0 Cals - 2.2g Carbs + 4.0g alcohol carbs
Miller Pilsner ........ 30.0 Cals - 2.4g Carbs + 4.0g alcohol carbs


Per Pint ( 570ml)

Stella ................ 227 Cals - 16.5g Carbs + 10.8g alcohol carbs
Holsten Pills ........ 215 Cals - 13.6g Carbs + 22.8g alcohol carbs
Fosters .............. 227 Cals - 17.6g Carbs + 22.2g alcohol carbs
Becks ................ 233 Cals - 17.0g Carbs + 22.8g alcohol carbs
Draught Bitter ..... 182 Cals - 13.0g Carbs + 17.7g alcohol carbs
Guinness ............ 171 Cals - 8.5g Carbs + 18.8g alcohol carbs
Mild ................... 137 Cals - 9.1g Carbs + 14.3g alcohol carbs
Budweiser .......... 230 Cals - 16.5g Carbs + 8.6g alcohol carbs
Foster Export ...... 211 Cals - 12.5g Carbs + 22.8g alcohol carbs
Miller Pilsner ........ 171 Cals - 13.6g Carbs + 22.8g alcohol carbs


Per Bottle (275ml).

Marstons "Low C" ..... 85 Cals - 1.65g Carbs

No Alchol Carbs on label as its sold as a low cal beer, but at 4.5%
would expect it to be between 5 - 10g



Std Pub Glass (125ml)

Red Wine ............. 85.0 Cals - 0.25g Carbs + 12.0g alcohol carbs
Dry White ............ 82.5 Cals - 0.75g Carbs + 11.4g alcohol carbs
Med White ........... 92.5 Cals - 3.75g Carbs + 11.1g alcohol carbs
Sweet White ........ 117.5 Cals - 7.40g Carbs + 12.7g alcohol carbs
Sparkling White ..... 92.5 Cals - 6.40g Carbs + 9.5g alcohol carbs
Rose Med ............. 88.7 Cals - 3.13g Carbs + 10.9g alcohol carbs
Non Alcoholic ........ 47.5 Cals - 11.9g Carbs + 0.0g alcohol carbs

Large Pub Glass (175ml)

Red Wine ............. 119.0 Cals - 0.35g Carbs + 16.8g alcohol carbs
Dry White ............ 115.0 Cals - 1.05g Carbs + 16.0g alcohol carbs
Med White ........... 130.0 Cals - 5.25g Carbs + 15.6g alcohol carbs
Sweet White ........ 165.0 Cals - 10.30g Carbs + 17.9g alcohol carbs
Sparkling White ..... 130.0 Cals - 8.90g Carbs + 13.3g alcohol carbs
Rose Med ............. 125.0 Cals - 4.40g Carbs + 15.3g alcohol carbs
Non Alcoholic ........ 66.0 Cals - 16.60g Carbs + 0.0g alcohol carbs

Wine Bottle 750ml (for my Ref)

Red Wine ............. 510.0 Cals - 1.5g Carbs + 72.0g alcohol carbs
Dry White ............ 495.0 Cals - 4.5g Carbs + 68.3g alcohol carbs


Std Pub Glass (25ml)

Spirits 40% Vol ....... 56.0 Cals - 0.00g Carbs + 8.0g alcohol carbs
Spirits 37.5% Vol .... 52.0 Cals - 0.00g Carbs + 7.4g alcohol carbs




As i couldn't remember seeing any reference to " Alcohol Carbs" in the Charles Clark book, i checked but still no ref. so i looked at the Atkins website and found a ref to booze.

It said :-

You should not drink alcohol during Induction, but you can drink moderate amounts of alcohol during the Ongoing Weight Loss, Pre-Maintenance and Lifetime Maintenance phases.

When given the choice, your body will burn alcohol for energy before it burns fat.
But alcohol does not act as a carbohydrate so it will not interfere with burning fat in the same way that sugars and other carbohydrates do.


Now i'm confused,
But as i've lost 33lbs in 15 weeks and been drinking an average of a bottle of wine a night plus the odd Southern Comfort at weekends, then it seem to work for me, so i'll stick with my way of carb counting for now.


As they oftern say we all react to foods in different ways, so maybe its the same with alcohol, or am i just lucky!

Must go now and get some pool practice in and see if the barmaid need any company :lol:

Steve

[pepsi max]

well, i,ve tested spirits with the clinistix that test for sugar.nil.i,ve tested my bgs after drinking, no bg rise so i,m happy to say that from a bg point of view,alcohol carbs do not put up blood sugar and i,ve never had a weight gain by drinking in moderation.
i,m still sticking with spirits being carb free.

[UrbanGypsy]

Ah Steve you're an absolute star!!! :angel: (but we're fresh out of stars, so you'll have to make do with an angel badge! ;))

Thank you so much for going to all that effort, trouble, and selfless visits to the pub! :lol: Seriously, that's an invaluable guide to be able to refer to... and I for one very much appreciate you taking the time to list all those.

:cheer:

[UrbanGypsy]

Hi Christine :)

I'm hoping this is one of those times when a problem pops in to your head about the same time as someone who could help with it appears... :help:

I just got off the phone from my mother, who was recently diagnosed diabetic and is sounding more miserable (and, frankly, more diabetic) by the second following the doctor's high carb diet. She's readily agreed to switch to the Atkins diet, but I could use all the help I can get in making sure I give her the best recommendations possible.

I know there's a diabetic forum, which I've been reading as best I can with all the jargon and US terms! But seeing you make that comment about your blood sugar levels (I'm guessing that's roughly what bgs are?) after alcohol makes me wonder if you could a) elaborate on that or b) offer any other advice which might help her? I just can't bear to see her having the life slowly sucked out of her... especially knowing diabetes killed her mother. :(

Not wishing to put you to major effort though, so do please say if I'm asking too much.

[UrbanGypsy]

When given the choice, your body will burn alcohol for energy before it burns fat.
But alcohol does not act as a carbohydrate so it will not interfere with burning fat in the same way that sugars and other carbohydrates do.


Now i'm confused

I'm just guessing here... But I know in my pre-ME days I always used to drink a pint of milk "to line my stomach" before heading out if I knew a major drinking session was in the offing (and drank two pints of water when I got back... sheesh, I couldn't even manage a drinking binge without being sensible! :rolleyes: ). Always spared me the otherwise inevitable hangover!

So perhaps what they mean by "given the choice" is that, if you haven't had a good low carb - and possibly higher fat - meal beforehand your body will head to the alcohol as its first choice in fuel as opposed to burning off body fat as normal?

Just a guess mind you!

[tholian8]

Steve, if it works for you then you don't need to worry. If you eventually stop losing, then you might want to check the calorie count of the booze you're consuming, and make some adjustments accordingly. But in general, if it ain't broke.... :D

I've never seen a reference to "alcohol carbs." If someone could point me to such a reference I would be most grateful.

I'd thought that the whole point of drinking spirits on LC rather than beer or wine was to minimize the carbs. Alcohol (EtOH) DOES hijack the liver, causing that organ to burn the EtOH in preference to bodyfat until the EtOH is totally cleared from the body, which happens at the rate of approximately 1 US standard drink per hour (about 1.8 UK units). Drinking does not mean that you will completely stall, because your muscles and some other organs will continue to burn bodyfat...but it does mean that your rate of burn will drop to 50% or less of what it is when you're sober.

The more important thing to consider when drinking on a weight loss diet is that even while the alcohol is being burnt by your liver, the fat cells keep releasing fat for burning at the same rate, which leads to a build up of free fatty acids in the bloodstream. Normally, extra FFA's are burnt up by the liver, but when there is EtOH in the system it totally disables the liver's ability to burn off that fat, and all it can do is put the incoming bodyfat aside to deal with later after the booze is gone. If you drink a lot while in a fat-burning mode, you are risking a big buildup of fat in your liver, and that is not a healthy condition. Fortunately, even a couple of days of abstinence per week can help your liver catch up with the workload. ;)

I love to drink. I couldn't give up booze even on Induction. I've discovered that on this diet, I basically have two choices with booze. I can drink a little every day without problems, OR I can choose to go heavy, but to take 2 or 3 days every week to allow my body to clean up the mess, as it were. If I go heavy but don't allow the catch-up time, I don't feel very well.

YMMV though. Metabolism is so individual.

Emily

[pepsi max]

hi urbangypsy,
i,m sorry your mother has been diagnosed with diabetes.its quite frightening at first but its not a death sentence.to help with the conversions of bgs-mmols thats used in uk to mgs thats used in usa, go to
http://www.joslin.harvard.edu/education/library/conversionTable.shtml
if you print this out it will help when you read the diabetes forum.
is your mam on meds?what is her daily sugar readings.one of the best books to read is dr bernsteins diabetes solution.this is written by a diabetic for diabetics.his advice about "small inputs, small mistakes"has been invaluable to me.i keep my bgs tightly controlled (most of the time)between 4 and 6 mmols-normal,thanks to dr b and atkins.not thanks to my own dr.

[Ebbie.B]

Reading Christine and Urbangyspy's posts has made me think of the diabetics that we care for (community care).

One lady's diet looks like this
Breakfast
2 x toast
cornflakes or porridge

lunch
fish fingers, or sausages or chicken nuggets with either mashed potato or chips, Veg or baked beans
fruit cocktail

Dinner
a variant on lunch
Yogurt

For snacks she eats cheesy biscuits or something similar.

Just before bed she has a mug of hot milk (yep even in this heat!) and if her blood reading is 10 or below we have to make her a sandwich!

This is totally wrong isn't it? Absolutely nothing i can do about it, i think i may get the sack if i start preaching Atkins to our clients lol

[pepsi max]

a bg of 10,i,d have 2 panic attacks and a stroke!

[sooz]

So Steve, dont you suffer from hangovers drinking a bottle of wine a night?? Dont get me wrong, I used to do that too pre low carbs, but during induction I abstained, but had a blowout at the weekend (day 13 of induction) thought I was going to die on Sunday morning!!

[Ebbie.B]

:bhug: Sooz

I too recently went through that experience,:bash::Puke:
Never ever again

[UrbanGypsy]

Hi Christine :)

If anything, she seems very angry with them for diagnosing this... I call that a healthy sign! ;) Though I do suspect you're right and its at least partly a cover for fear: as I say, she watched her mother die from it. Nor will she have forgotten what "help" from the "professionals" did to me... :(

Thank you very much for that URL. Its not coming up at the moment, but I'll give it another try later... and then I might even understand that sentence! :lol:

She's not on any meds at the moment, no. They've put her on the special diet to make sure she needs them by the time they test her again. :rolleyes:

what is her daily sugar readings. (and later you say...) a bg of 10,i,d have 2 panic attacks and a stroke!
Er... I'm not sure if sugar readings and bgs are the same? I do know she tested herself before lunch yesterday and got a reading of 2. She tested herself right after and got a reading of 10. I also know, before the doctors intervened she was no more diabetic than I was before Atkins... enough to get a bit grumpy/tired/shakey if she hasn't eaten for a while, but nothing you can't handle. :mad: But if that's how quickly the wrong diet could knock her for six, then here's hoping the right one has just as swift an effect.

Your Dr Berstein suggestion will be a fantastic help... thank you! I can't get her to read a thing at the moment. Not because she doesn't want to know; because an earlier brush with (surprise, surprise) Weightwatchers has left her sick to death of hearing about diets! But I know she'll follow whatever I say to the letter, so I'll order that today and get reading!

I really can't thank you enough for all that advice... its not often I feel out of my depth dealing with health issues, but this one threw me. You've done wonders to help ease my mind. :bhug:

[UrbanGypsy]

Thanks Ebbie... you just reassured me it really wasn't anything personal with the detritus they tried to feed me when I was in the disability unit! :lol:

They used to look almost as offended that I wouldn't eat what they gave me (thankfully I had my own kitchen in there to create alternatives) as I did that they'd suggested I would in the first place!!!

It must be very frustrating for you having to watch folk needlessly go downhill.

[pepsi max]

urbangypsy,
sorry the link isn,t working.try this

www.joslin.harvard.edu/main.shtml
then go to the diabetes library.go to monitoring which will give you Goals for bs control.scroll down to where it says-attension visiters fron outside the us.click on that and ot will give you the chart

[pepsi max]

just tried it. it works.sorry about the spelling.these kids are bugging me.i can,t think straight!

[UrbanGypsy]

That's fantastic Christine, thank you! Broken down for the uneducated... essentially 2 and 10 bad. :(

I've ordered the Bernstein book, but it'll take a couple of days to arrive, and a while longer for me to be able to sort her out a programme from it (bearing in mind we move house tomorrow!). I know she's anxious to switch diets as soon as possible... would you say it's okay to start her off on the Atkins induction?

Also (sorry to bombard you with so many questions... I promise I'll stop soon!) does it say in Bernstein about what you found with having a drink, or will I need to figure that out separately?!

[pepsi max]

is your mam overweight?

[UrbanGypsy]

Yup. She's 175lbs (possibly heavier; one of the things which really upset her was how fast she put on weight since being put on the doctor's diet) and about 5'2".

[pepsi max]

to get a quck insite to dr b,s book go to
www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm
you can read the book on line.i,ll catct up about the alcohol thing later.the kids won,t let me play with the internet fof very long.

[pepsi max]

hi urbanGypsy,
baby,s asleep now, i can play.
i,ve never done induction as i didn,t need to lose weight but i know other diabetics who have .it stabalizes bgs quicker as well.
bgs swinging from 2 to 10 would make me feel awful.i,ve never had a bg of 2 since i stopped the insulin and went l-c.never had a 10 neither.in uk, the recemended bgs are,4 to 7 before meals and up to 10 after.i used to have bgs like that but now they are 4 to 6.normal.
as to the alcohol thing,i didn,t read this anywhere,it was just experiments with a lot of testing and listening to other peoples stories.i had very sore fingers for a while.my bgs are listed in my journal along with what i eat.
always remember dr b,s statement-small inputs, small mistakes.its my diabetes code that i live by.

[UrbanGypsy]

Hi Christine

Thank you so, so much... you've really helped more than I can say. :)

Glad the baby's giving you some peace now too!

Me, I'm off to do some serious reading and type up the results for her! Well, it beats packing the kitchen (which is what I'm meant to be doing!) anyway... :lol:

[No Honey]

Hi UrbanGypsy,

May I also suggest the following (excellent) article on Diabetes by Dr Barry Groves (The UK author of Eat Fat, Get Thin!):

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diabetes_index.html

This should get you started as at the end of the articles are lists of what to eat and what not.

Best of luck! :)

[pepsi max]

good thinking no honey.i like that site.saw b.groves on the tv and have spoke to him by e-m.he,s a lovely man,talks a lot of sense.

[UrbanGypsy]

That's a fantastic help No Honey... thank you very much indeed!

Between this and the Bernstein advice, I should have her right as rain in no time! Funny, I've no real "mini goals" of my own, but my goal with my mother is for her to go back for her tests and turn up absolutely normal...

Doctor (looking smug): Ah, as expected, the diet I gave you has worked. I am, indeed, a god.

Mother (looking more smug): Actually, as expected, your diet made me ten times worse. I've cured myself doing precisely the opposite of what you prescribed. You are, indeed, a wan...

Well, it rhymes with anchor, put it that way! :lol:

[LittleAnne]

Whilst talking about beer and other alcohol I found this amusing in the City diary in the Times today (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,630-774865,00.html). Found the article in media watch.

So the chief exec of Scottish and Newcastle Brewery is on Atkins!

Atkins diet gets bitter
Dominic Walsh

TONY FROGGATT, the extremely personable new chief executive of Scottish & Newcastle, the UK’s biggest brewer, is the latest FTSE 100 boss to be unmasked as an acolyte of the Atkins diet.
The only problem is that beer is on the list of things that followers of the low-carbohydrate regime are supposed to steer clear of. Which may explain why, as Froggatt reluctantly admits, the diet is working “only slowly”.

There is another reason why the Atkins diet sits rather uneasily with Froggatt. Earlier in his career he helped to launch Weight Watchers in Australia, developing it into the country’s leading dietary brand.

But the rugby-loving Australian is determined to persist with Atkins, albeit accompanied by continued imbibing of his favourite tipple, John Smith’s ale. “I’m not going to live my life not drinking,” he says. “I love beer.”

[UrbanGypsy]

:lol: Why doesn't that surprise me?!

Well spotted Anne!

Meanwhile, according to the guy who wrote the second-opinions website, all vegetarians are violent and agressive whilst you meat eating types are as docile as lambs. Who'd have thought... football hooligans, Tony Blair, George Bush, everyone who marched against the Iraq war... so many vegetarians in the world today... :rolleyes:

Sigh. Surely there's enough opposition from outside sources without supposedly intelligent people interjecting moments of sheer lunacy in an otherwise informative site to prompt cynics to dismiss everything - good and ludicrous alike - they say out of hand. :(

[Stoko]

Back from my research again. :)

Per 100ml ............

Miller Pilsner ........ 30.0 Cals - 2.4g Carbs + 4.0g alcohol carbs

Per Pint ( 570ml)

Miller Pilsner ........ 171 Cals - 13.6g Carbs + 22.8g alcohol carbs

Steve

Steve - what exactly is "Miller Pilsner"??

Are you referring to "Miller Genuine Draft" or plain "Miller"?

I as as previously someone in an earlier thread had said:
1. Miller (UK) = Miller Lite (US)

This was good news and almost too good to be true. I checked the alcohol content and confirmed they are the same and checked with the brewery twice to confirm. Miller Lite was rebranded in the UK because British men won't drink something called 'Lite' - it makes them feel like girls. Don't confuse it with Miller Genuine Draft which is higher in carbs. Miller (UK) is 0.7g per 100ml. MGD is 3.2g per 100ml.

[SteveH57]

Steve - what exactly is "Miller Pilsner"??

Are you referring to "Miller Genuine Draft" or plain "Miller"?

I as as previously someone in an earlier thread had said:


Sorry Stoko l can't answer the question, all the details came from a uk food database and thats how all the beers were listed.

As l dont normally buy / drink the bottled lagers l just extracted all the references to any beer l could find in their database during my 3 day free access to their website ( full access is 7 quid a month).


Steve

[SteveH57]

So Steve, dont you suffer from hangovers drinking a bottle of wine a night?? Dont get me wrong, I used to do that too pre low carbs, but during induction I abstained, but had a blowout at the weekend (day 13 of induction) thought I was going to die on Sunday morning!!

Hi sooz & ebbie

Not to worry about the question, i'm just supprised it took so long for someone to ask it :lol:

l dont seem to get many hangovers, maybe if i did i wouldnt drink as much :)

l can only think that as l drink on a regular basis and drink a couple of pints of water when l get back home, that my system manages to cope. Whereas when ive been on a long night blowout (mixing drinks) its gets too much for the body to cope with so it fights back and boy does it fight back..


Steve

[Wardrobe]

Does anyone have 1-2 drinks per day and still lose weight? thanks.