Carb Blockers...anyone Trying Them???

[skeeweeaka]

Hi all I'm wondering about CARB BLOCKERS....new on the market....has anyone used them??? Have they worked for you??? Thinking about using them myself...

[loric1]

I just bought some but haven't tried them as I'm switching from Atkins over to PP - after 3 wks on Atkins I barely lost (keep gaining it back when I cheat - which is usually a protein bar)

I'll let you know how it goes
Lori

[Bayrat]

Where can one find these carb blockers? Might be just the ticket for my day at the faire later this month!

[loric1]

Use google and type in carb blockers. Make sure you only get the blockers that have Phase 2 in them (that is the patent blend)

Yesterday I cheated a LOT and had a small eclair and a cupcake but that was it - was still doing Atkins as it is easier to follow. I was so surprised to find I hadn't gained!! WOO HOO!!

I'm still trying Atkins but will take a carb blocker if I decide to have a sandwich or something with a bit more carbs. Sure hope it works!

Good luck!

Lori

[Shadow01]

Hello :) . Excuse me for jumping in here but there are a couple of things I'd like to point out. Please bear in mind, this is my opinion only, but maybe (hopefully) it's worth considering...

First of all - This WOL is about improving your health (primarily), weight loss is secondary. Are you improving your health by taking a manufactured substance that causes the body to do something unnatural? If we were designed to "block carbs", there wouldn't be low-carbing to begin with...

Second - What is in this stuff and why does it work? Look at the problems with phen-phen, redux, ephedrine, etc. How many long-term studies have been done? Are they controlled studies? Does anyone know for certain what the effects are going to be to taking these?

Third - Since this is a Way Of LIFE, one of the purposes is to re-learn eating habits and eat more like paleolithic man. I'm sure there were no carb blockers centuries ago! Simply finding a way to "cheat" is not teaching you anything for the long-haul.

Fourth - The Eadeses strongly recommend that we learn to eat foods in their most natural states, and not rely on using processed foods. If we're trying to avoid processed foods, does that not also include manufactured substances that have no existence in nature?

Fifth - If there were any one "cure" for obesity - don't you think it would've been discovered long before now? There is no magic pill - not now, not before and most likely not in the future. Sorry, but that's the truth. You're neglecting accountability here. This is something you need to DO - not something that can (supposedly) be done for you. If you really want to improve your health and lose weight, isn't it worth a little effort on your behalf?

Ok - I won't go on now. Guess the upshot of this post I would run like crazy from the things :nono: ! Follow the program as it's written and it will work. And you'll be much healthier for it!

Thank you for listening. :)

[phoenix7]

The carb blocker I took in the past was Kidney bean extract(? or some type of bean). I don't know if it really worked or not, but it's about as safe as eating beans. I would use the keto sticks as the litmus test if they work.....

[loric1]

And it's all natural - no additives or preservatives - have you researched this product? It's widely touted as valuable, reliable and safe. It's not "Manufactured" as you put it.

I would not put something like that in my body and if I fall of the wagon it's nice to know that I can prevent some of the damage I"m doing by blocking some carbs. After all aren't vitamins "manufactured" as well?

[Shadow01]

No, loric1, I have not researched it as I have no interest in using the product :) . Sorry I offended you - I will happily bow out of this thread now. As I said, those were just some thoughts I had. Good luck :) .

[skeeweeaka]

Well Shadow I started the thread because I saw them in a magazine and had never heard of them... Thought this was the place to ask anyone if they had tried them and the results.... The product is natural and made from white beans... In the Woman's World magazine there were several woman who had lost weight very well...they even recommended specific ones... As loric suggested they recommend the Phase II one's... One of the individuals who lost the weight had been on them in a trial and later found them in the store and used them to lose the rest of her weight...

I have never taken any harmful products other than prescription drugs and vitamin/herbal supplements...and would not take anything like that...

I'm still looking for other peoples experiences...I purchased Natrol's carb blocker as it was one of those recommended... I'll let everyone know whether I have any success too...

Thanks....and HAVE A NICE DAY...

[loric1]

Shadow no offence taken :) Thanks for giving your opinion :)

[Bayrat]

I purchased Carb Cutter today at the local health store. It is made from extract of white kidney beans, each tablet has 300mg of Phaseolamin. The directions say to take one before each of two meals per day, a bit contrary to other brands I have been reading about. I am wondering if I should take two before each meal, anyone have a suggestion. This brand also contains chromium and vanadium, along with some other vitamins. I have stopped taking the supplements of those included in this blocker so not to overdose on anything. I do take a good powdered multi every morning along with calcium, magnesium and potassium.

[skeeweeaka]

Well I would take them as directed....I'm not sure about the other nutrients but don't think they would hurt...

Let us know if you feel they have worked or not...

[Bayrat]

I will continue eating as I have been just to see if there is a difference. Should see something by this weekend I would think.

[davebroder]

Greetings and Howdie.

I'm a newbie here on the forum, and I've generally enjoyed myself browsing the posts and learning from everyone's experiences. Thank you all for taking the time to share your wisdom and insight.

I have to echo most of what Shadow said in an earlier thread, with a few qualifications...

I've tried the carb blockers on several occasions for the past couple of months. I'm not monitoring with Keto sticks, but I'm using the primitive guess-guage: the scales. I believe they work, when used as directed.

Now, my take on the principal behind it:

They are not intended to be a fix-all or substitute for a change or habit and lifestyle. I'm frankly afraid of abusing them for that very reason -- that I might relapse or lose some of the good habits I've gained.

I only pop the blockers on a rare occasion when the wife and I want to go out and enjoy a steak AND potato or a nice chimichanga, etc. I don't see it as binging, but more as a way to sneak a treat occasionally, but still keeping the regimen going. I do not see it as a way of "introducing" certain foods back into my menu on a longterm basis.

Anyway, the jury's still out, and in fact, my search for others' results is what lead me to this thread in the first place, so I'm still learning and trying...

Good luck to all.

[Bayrat]

Here is the result of my cheat day. Low carb breakfast as always, small meat on a stick for lunch at the faire that totaled perhaps two ounces, small dish of free/no sugar added ice cream mid-afternoon, broiled fish marinara with a small side dish of ziti for dinner. Start weight 202, new weight today 204.5, and all this while spending the day walking the fairgrounds. I doubled the dose of carb blocker for dinner and had one prior to the ice cream.

In my opinion, either the blocker does not work or I do not have the proper kind. I really don't feel I went that far overboard, in fact did not expect to see much of a change this morning.

[kaeleen]

I read the article in Woman's World. I was wondering about carb blockers too. thanks for sharing your expereince.

[Yank_in_NC]

I'm not sure exactly how many carbs a carb blocker blocks but isn't ice cream (sugar free or not) AND pasta a little much? Maybe the carb blocker just can't keep up with that many carbs.

Just a thought.

[melissasvh]

I hate to dampen anyone's hope, but I work in a pharmacy and we get tons of people asking about these on a daily basis. Our pharmacists all give a rousing thumbs down to them. According to our lead pharmacist, they DO NOT work and are just a waste of money. Any affect they have is just a placebo or a coincidence.

Furthermore, they are considered a dietary supplement, which means that claims they make have not been evaluated or substantiated by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA).

Caveat Emptor

[Bayrat]

Well Yank, I don't know. Considering I ate very little all day and spent six hours walking, I would think that little bit of ice cream and half cup of pasta would not have much effect with or without blockers. So I conclude at this point they do not block anything, but my experiment continues. Every day I take one before I eat while keeping the carb intake low, we will see if there is improvement at the end of the week.

[Yank_in_NC]

Wow six hours walking? That's a heck of a cardio workout. I can do about 45 min. of a cardio workout (walking/running) and I'm about shot.

One more note....don't forget your water. When you exercise that much you have to be careful you don't dehydrate, especially if it's hot outside.

[Bayrat]

I did dehydrate there Yank, no doubt. But I was not in the cardio workout mode either, just strolling from place to place. There is a possibility my body weight increase was related to water retention due to some wine tasting and limited water. That is why the experiment will continue a couple of weeks, just to give it an honest appraisal.

[Yank_in_NC]

Well good luck with your experimenting. I'm anxious to hear the final results. I presume you're referring to the NY State Fair in Syracuse. I used to live about 30 miles east of Binghamton NY prior to moving to NC. Went to the fair a couple of times. I hope you aren't experiencing the extreme heat there like we are here. It would be brutal to walk around the fair if the heat index was 105 there - like it is here today!

[Bayrat]

No Yank, no extreme heat. It has been a warm streak lately and a bit dry but not 105. I love the faire, go a couple time a year if I can and will be going again late Friday hopefully. I am only about an hour's drive from there so it is no big deal to travel.

[Bayrat]

MORE CARB BLOCKER NEWS!

I have now tried three brands of carb blocker/carb cutter of various strengths. In my opinion, they have absolutely no effect :thdown: upon the result of cheating. I waited to recover from my day at the faire, reduced to 201, checked with keto stix and then took the second brand prior to some pasta. The result was to be blown out of ketosis and a gain of 2.5 pounds. I am still not back in ketosis after continuing to use them on a restricted diet for two days.

I will continue the experimentation once I start to lose again, but have to lay off for a time to achieve some real results. I was doing better having a few cocktails without the pills and sticking to fewer carbs.

Stay tuned

[Fiona mcK]

Wow BayRat, you did some serious research. So I guess the result is... don't bother... huh? I see those things everywhere, interestingly, right at the check out counter at my LC/Health Food/Vitamin Store. By the way if anyone lives in Western Mass, check out Choice Health, they have everything.

Thanks for all the info BayRat!

[Bayrat]

Weeeellll, the final vote is not in, but it does not look good at this point.

[Battousai]

this has probably already been said, but be careful with carb blockers they give you terrible cramps and stomach pains when trying to exercise. I dietrician told me to only take these when you know your going to eat a moderately high carb food.

[Bayrat]

I have not experienced that problem, however it was on one or two of the brands I tried.

[Bayrat]

Stopped using blockers, they are worthless. I have begun losing weight again without them so it seems my stall is over.

[CASD]

I've been using them on my cheat days...But I only use Source Naturals Wafers , I think they get there faster and are more likely to work..

[Bayrat]

I suppose the ingredients is what matters though. Do you really see them working?

[CASD]

In the last 4+ weeks I've cheated pretty good(Pizza,Beer,fries, taco's,cake, cokies,candy..etc..,) but I try to take the carb blockers before I do... I haven't lost any weight and I've not gained any also
and I'm down a total of 38lbs from when I started in May..So yes I think they work but you've got to get back on the low carb diet the next day...

[Bayrat]

I thought I cheated, you went way out there. By the way, the only thing the blockers supposedly work on is starchy food, not sugars. That is what I based my experimentation on and found them to be less than reliable.

[Bayrat]

Was wandering around the health food store in the mall last night and came upon a different brand carb blocker than the three I have tried to date. This one has 1g in each serving, the others ranged from 450mg to 600mg, although I did combine them at times to see if the results changed. Last night I had one small glass of wine, a crust of bread, a few bites of ziti with sauce and broiled fish marinara and did not notice a gain of weight this morning. This morning I ate 1/2 cup of oatmeal for breakfast along with the carb blockers, I really miss that food. We shall see what it looks like tomorrow, but the strips don't seem to register for me any more despite slow weight loss so I can not verify with them. The store says they have a money back guarantee on them, so I may look for my 20 bucks back...or maybe not.

[bcadieux]

Yo, Bayrat
Thanks for the info. What's the name of these?
I'm going to China next spring and you know what they eat. Rice. I'm going to work in an orphanage for 10 days and wont feel right not eating what everybody else eats so I'm kinda concerned about gaining.

Bette

[Bayrat]

Natrol Carb Interceptor. Got them at GNC yesterday, but the jury is still out. I need to see what the weight is tomorrow, if it is stable then they did the job and perhaps I will still lose a few ounces next week..I'll let you know. Hmmmm...China sounds interesting, could be a good time.

[bcadieux]

Oh, I am going to have a very good time. I'm going to be in Langfang, right out side Beijing so I'll be able to see all the sites. But.... there's all that rice.
So let me know the results

[Bayrat]

One thing about rice aside from the obvious, you can make it taste different every day. One of my favorite Chinese take-out tricks is to order the Hot and Sour soup if I know they make a good one, usually comes with a half pint of rice. You mix the rice and soup and for about two bucks have a really great hot lunch. I know, I know....no carbs though. I will post results as they appear.

[bcadieux]

I know about rice. I lived in Nicaragua for a year in 1994 and they eat lots of rice too. I learned to make it all kinds of different ways. Now I'm putting all those recipes to work in cauliflower, etc.
I thought I read on one of your posts that youweren't going to do carb blockers ever again. Did I read wrong?
Bette

[Bayrat]

What I said is that they appeared to be useless, and to this point have been for me. The girl in the empty GNC store had plenty of time to convince me these worked and I bit. Aways a sucker for a pretty face, but perhaps this kind will, I keep and open mind. If it appears this blocker has no effect, I will return for my 20 bucks and nothing lost. They may work on some people, I have had no luck up to last night. We shall see when the scale is mounted Monday and Tuesday.

[bcadieux]

cool

[Bayrat]

Sack time, take care Bette.

[GNCLCGirl]

hI
oK i read all threads and you have to understand something. its marketing mostly. low carb business is huge in my store we are 30,000 above last year sales all due to low carb, everyone out there is trying to make a buck. Ok on the flip side not all supplements are bad for you. I can't stand people who speak without knowlege first. the phase 2 has been studied. and I think it does work but not to cheat with junk. I would use to help break plateua, most supplements are safe. there is also another ing ou there that is good its banaba. In a product called sugar ease.

[bcadieux]

I just want something that will work for 10 days. I don't just want to eat whatever I want but out of necessity eat what I'm offered. I can't imagine that there will be very much protein or fat. In my experience in 3rd world settings they eat mostly rice and white flour, some vegetables and a little sweet stuff.
Bette

[Bayrat]

Anna,

Guess what, I did not hit the sack yet. Are you implying I am speaking without knowledge here and so you can't stand me? I simply conducted my own study and am giving results. I can also assure you that I have read the research on the internet and have not found a double blind study conducted on humans. If you have that link, please share it. On the flip side, I hope you are right.

Now I hit the sack!

[Bayrat]

Bette,

FYI the scales indicated a 1.5 pound gain from the approximate quarter/half cup of ziti, heel of bread and 1/2 cup of oatmeal the next morning. Used 1g carb blockers that I purchased. I might try them one more time in the next couple of weeks to see if the same results are obtained, but I would say they really do not seem to work. Perhaps they will on you, try them here and you will know if you need to ship a couple bottles to China :lol: . I do not know of anyone on a low carb diet that is hyping them, sometimes that says it all.

[bcadieux]

bayrat

I don't know........
I just don't want those carbs. I've gotten so that bread doesn't even look good. Pasta was my favorite thing, even made it from scratch. Now it doesn't tempt me.
I think I'll just eat what I'm given and pray for the best.
Isn't it weird that most Chinese people are small and thin, in China that is.
Bette

[Bayrat]

There is a reason for that Bette. As you probably know, they don't eat the junk along with the rice. Meat is used as a garnish if they can afford it and you don't see it mixed with General Tso sweet sauce. Besides, they have to work their buts off to survive.

[bcadieux]

Well, Bayrat, maybe I'll lose weighthttp://forum.lowcarber.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
Sorry about your weight gain. Do you weigh every day?
I weigh once a week same day, same time, same scale. Obsessive?
I only lost 1/2 lb this week I hope I'm not going into a stall.
What's the "Bayrat" all about? Do you live on a bay?
I live in Chicago. It was 83F today. I'm ready for some fall!
Bette

[Bayrat]

I usually weigh in once a week, just check more when eating/trying something different. I may check Tuesday due to the carb blocker test and won't look again until Friday or Saturday morning.

I have been around the water my whole life, my first house was waterfront as well. The first wife hated it along with my registered shepard, should have kept both and gotten rid of her since she was the newcomer. I now sit on top of a hill with a view of Lake Ontario. I am reconditioning a 1987 a Silverton aft cabin, which will allow me to be on the water when I wish to be. Bayrat is simply a moniker I use on the net, saw it on a sailboat once and took it for my own. I don't pass my name or address out, too many wacko's and creeps to deal with. I do like to pass along personal information ie;home, vehicles, job etc..when discussing topics on the three or four boards I belong to, using a nickname enhances security.

[bcadieux]

This is the first board I've joined. I have really enjoyed it so far. I didn't know about the wackos.
I grew up in the desert but married a man from Louisana who was a fisherman. And have lived around the water ever since. He worked in the oilfield and we spent some time in England where we built a sailboat and sailed to the states. It was quite an adventure. We had our 2 kids with us. We lived on the boat for 6 years after that.That was along time ago tho. Now I live 2 blocks from Lake Michigan.
Maybe I shouldn't be saying all this.
I'm scared of the wackos now
Your boat sounds great but I don't know what a Silverton is. Is it sail or power?
Bette

[Bayrat]

What an adventure Bette, I am jealous. I don't believe you have to be scared, just be cautious. If you are new to these things, just remember by giving your full name and general location in type, it may be possible for someone to track you down if you inadvertently mention what street you live on etc...I am overly cautious, probably paranoid. My youngest son had his identity stolen and has been going through heck to fix it. His wallet was taken while he was on the beach in California, after playing sailor all week.

Silverton builds yachts or stink-boxes, as some sailors refer to them. I like to sail as well but my favorite woman hates it, scared of the heeling over. Have to run now it's past my sack time, talk to you all later.

[Bayrat]

Well Bette, back to within one half a pound of where I was prior to Saturday Night/Sunday this morning. Will try to stay away from the pasta, seems to really do me in. I have been drinking a very limited amount of wine or low carb beer every weekend and although it probably slows my loss, I don't gain weight from it. I am really doing my best to believe the blockers work but I just don't see it. If they did, most of what I eat in the form of veggies, pasta and the like would not be effecting my loss. I will probably take the bottle back next trip to the mall, I still have two other brands left to use if I want.

Was just deciding what to have for dinner. I ate left-over steak for lunch two days and have left-over chicken breast for the next two. Probably make a nice green salad with egg garnish.

BRat

[bcadieux]

I'm having chicken fried in butter with onions and bell peppers.
I don't drink beer and stuff so I don't have to worry about those carbs.
I've re-thought the carb blocker thing. Don't believe I'll try them. I do really good not eating those bad carbs and if I try them here I might slip back into the old habits. If you find one that works let me know and I will take it to China with me and take them there.
About the wacko thing, I wouldn't give my address to anyone and I'm not listed in the phone book or anything so I'm not really worried.
That's too bad about your son. I have heard of identity theft but yours is the only personal one I've heard of.

[bcadieux]

Have you ever tried low carb pasta?

[amiee3377]

Bayrat I am doing a similar experiment but mine is a little different from yours. I bought some cheap carb burners from vitamin world. They cost about 5.00 with a discount. I am still low carbing but I am taking my pills everyday. I just started Sunday but I will be sure to post my results. I don't plan on cheating. I just want to see if they will help me lose weight quicker. I think with any pill that you take it needs to get in your system before you can see results. I'll keep you posted.

[Bayrat]

I have tried the spinach pasta and looked at the low carb but I don't recall seeing a big difference in the count. Quite honestly, I used to live on the stuff and now I get along fairly nicely without it. Just like to have the real thing once in a while and when I reach my goal that should not be a problem. Not much carb in what I drink either, have a couple three glasses of white wine on the weekend. Atkins lists it as only a carb or so but perhaps there is sugar there that is not good. The low carb beer is usually after I shoot skeet but have not made it there for a couple of weeks due to prior commitments.

My son was devastated by this crook. He bought a TV, cell phones, rented an apartment, opened a business and you name it. Probably not the same person each time, they sell the identities. I helped him clear it up when he came home and the Navy lawyer worked on it while he was in the service. They are nothing but human debris, scum that do those kind of things. Last week he had his windows smashed out and CD player stolen right out of his dashboard while parked in downtown Rochester. Small wonder why decent people stay out of those places.

Glad you are being cautious, the net is a great way to do all sorts of things but there are many predators out there to be cautious of.

BRat

[Bayrat]

Fantastic Amiee, another test pilot. We should have a good database when this is over. Since you just started it will be hard to tell if they are doing you any good I would imagine. Where you will notice it more is after induction and you have a steady loss, then you can tell if these increase that loss.

If I understand the principle of the bean extract, it goes in and blocks the starch molecules, in essence preventing them from being digested. The recommendation is that you take it right before you eat, so I assume it is passed through the same as food would be. If that is the case, an accumulation of the product in the system would not occur. I would liken it to taking a shot of liquor, you drink it; it has an effect; it goes away.

Please keep us up to speed on your success with it.

BRat

[Bayrat]

Oh Amiee, I think that I misunderstood what you meant :doah: . You just started the pills, not the low carbing :rolleyes: . I glanced at your stats and realized you are not new at the LC, just the pills. Sorry about that!

[amiee3377]

Bayrat, that's ok.

The pills that I have are called CarboBurner. You take 1 pill with a meal three times a day. Today I had a very little appetite. I almost postive that this is due to the carb burners. I checked my ketosis and I only have a trace. On Sunday I had a slice of sugar free pie so I know I was completely out of ketosis. It normally takes me at least 48 hours to get back into ketosis. So there is no change with that. What I would like to do is lose at least two pounds a week. I'm a very slow loser so I hope the carb burners help. I will keep all of you posted on my progress.

[Bayrat]

I'm the same way and have been like that since starting this way of eating, lost about half what my acquaintances did the first two weeks. Lately I have felt hungry more often, don't know why either. Well...not a whole lot more to go so it is no big deal. I plan on low-carbing the rest of my life with cheat days to enjoy my favorites once my goal is attained. Only problem now is finding a place to eat if I don't have a lunch with me. Can't eat steaks every day and all of my favorites come with a bun :cry: .

Talk later,

BRat

[GNCLCGirl]

BAYART,

iM SORRY YOU JUMPED SO QUICKLY DOWN MY MESSAGE. BUT I WASN'T REFFERING TO YOU AT ALL. i DIDN'T LIKE SHADOW'S MESSAGE.i WAS MAINLY BEING A DEVIL'S ADVICATE AND TALING ABOUT SUPPLEMENTS IN GENERAL. dON'T TAKE THINGS PERSONAL UNLESS YOU KNOW FOR SURE SOMEONE IS TALKING TO YOU.

[Bayrat]

Thanks for the new name Anna. I guess when you are posting about a comment made several pages ago, specificity is good. Lets drop it :) .

BRat

[Herrmann22]

When you start taking a drug to counteract something you shouldn't be doing in the first place, nothing good will ever result... :) Just keep that in mind.

You are on a low-carb diet because we all know it works. If you cheat and eat carbs and try to take a "miracle" pill to offset that, listen to how silly that sounds. lol

It does not promote healthy eating styles and it may cause you to eat more carbs than ever before. Just look at those fat-loss pills which millions of people take just because they cannot control their eating habits.

I'm sorry, but I will never take any pill which "blocks" nutrients, period. When you venture into that area bad things are bound to happen in the future...

You won't have to worry if you can just follow a good low-carb diet plan the "natural" way. I joined these forums to gain more knowledge on what foods I can eat for a low-carb diet and was not interested in pills that help you cheat the system. If I wanted that I could just go to Wal-Mart and pick some of those "Lose weight Quick" pills off the counter. NO THANKS!

LOL, not trying to offend here but PLEASE stay away from any drug which doesn't allow your body to perform natural functions, period.

Peace! :)

[Bayrat]

Herrmann,

To each his own, but kidney bean extract is hardly a bad substance and if it gives one a chance to enjoy something they really like without trashing their diet I am all for it. I certainly would not use the over-the-counter diet pills, never have and probably never will. I would not say a glass of wine and dish of your favorite pasta is bad, and being able to enjoy it once in a while may give those that stick to this lifestyle the encourage to continue; my personal view of things.

To say cheating the system is bad is a personal philosophy as well. I never subscribe to anyone's system and just because someone tells me this is the way it is supposed to be I don't necessarily buy into it. I guess that is why I am a libertarian and not a democrat. I don't like people telling me what my rights are or taking their cut out of my paycheck every week to pass to someone sitting home on their can.

Just my opinions Herrmann, no offense taken and hopefully none given.

Peace :dazzle:

[mbschlgr]

I've been out of the loop awhile but I thought I'd jump in and add my 2 cents worth.

I have taken several different brands of "carb blockers" the infamous Ultra Carb that you hear on the radio, stuff from GNC and a product called Carb Blocker2 from Nutralite (works the best).

NOW HERE THIS... They do not work as a miracle weight loss product! BUT, they do work to help you to maintain what weight you have already lost IF you don't just totally jump off into the deep end. They work if a day here or a day there or a weekend here or a weekend there if you have made the decision to eat something at that time that you shouldn't. I have been monitoring my weight for several months (over the summer). I personally have to be careful of sugar in addition to starch. I get the shakes if I eat anything with sugar in it, BUT with the Carb Blocker2 I didn't have any ill effects from it (I did visit Dairy Queen a few times over the summer) I didn't gain any weight AND what I feel most important is that I didn't fall off the wagon. I was always one once I blew it, I couldn't stop.

Knowing that once in awhile you can consume those nasty things out there really does keep you on track. Everything in moderation!! But, we all wouldn't be here if we all did everything in moderation now woudl we :lol:

They are all natural, no stimulants... I brushed up on nutrition (the Atkins Nutrition book is terrific!!!) and basically if we were eating the things that are in the carb blockers, we wouldn't be having the troubles in the first place.

I have 5 lbs to go to reach my goal weight. I didn't actively "diet" all summer long. I pretty much ate what I wanted, basically LC, but I did indulge in Ice Cream, Pizza and occasional bread, I took Carb Blocker2 all summer and didn't gain a pound. I do not exercise, so I can tell you that my overall activities were not increased. Frankly, but being able to do so, I don't have any cravings that are uncontrollable, if I had a craving for pizza I took a Carb Blocker2 and ate that slice of pizza and much to my surprise, 1 piece was plenty and I was totally satisfied and didn't lose control after that (which is shat used to happed all the timebefore)

So, that is my 2 cents (well it is more like a dollar's worth :lol: )

[mbschlgr]

Oh I forgot to mention, hubby takes them too and he's actually lost weight with them... only 6 lbs. but it's a loss...

[amiee3377]

Thanks for the information. How much did they costs?

[mbschlgr]

The Carb Blocker 2 list at $40.75 cost is $28.95 They are made by Nutrilite. you get 90 in a bottle

Here's the info:

"NUTRILITE® Carb Blocker 2, 90 tabs
Block up to 500 calories per meal

Each three-tablet serving* provides:

300 mg of a fermented soybean extract that inhibits alpha-glucosidase (sugar digesting) enzyme activity.
500 mg of a white kidney bean extract that inhibits alpha-amylase (starch-digesting) enzyme activity.
30 mg Nutrilite’s exclusive Parsley Concentrate, rich with supporting phytonutrients

A gentle way to help control calorie absorption from table sugar, and starches such as breads, cereals, pasta, rice, potatoes, peas, dried beans, and other carbohydrate-rich foods. Still gives your body the benefit of the vitamins, minerals, and fiber found in carbohydrate-containing foods.
Natural, non-stimulating carbohydrate control.
Helps to control appetite swings that trigger hunger.
Helps keep you feeling fuller longer"

If you sign up to be a dealer you get a better price, that is what I did, I don't sell them to anyone, I just signed up so I could get them at cost. I have already saved what it cost me to be a dealer and then some. I now buy their other vitamins and stuff too because vitamins are so expensive I compared and the price is right, at least in my area anyway and I get them sent to me.

[Herrmann22]

LOL, I knew I would stir up some conversation from some folks but again, no insults on my end intended, just my personal opinion was given.

Ok, let me submit a question/answer approach this time and we can go from there.

Let's take Carb Blocker2 from Nutralite for instance...,?

What are the total ingredients? (All of them)

What makes you NOT absorb the carbs <safely?>

If you are not absorbing carbs, can you know for sure what "other" nutrients you might not be absorbing? Ahhh, they never tell ya that usually... (Remember the fat absorption pills?) Yea, they work... but everyting just passes right through you and you lose vital nutrients, not to mention spending your life in the bathroom if you know what I mean! :) Hardly a good plan of attack for weight control.)

Are there any studies on the long-term consequences of this product?

Again, I don't mean to be Mr. Negative but we all have to be careful what we put into our bodies. Sometimes the things that seem to good to be true often are the ones that bite us in the long run.

If anyone can answer these questions or provide more information on these types of products I'd love to hear more about them. Who knows, if I figure them to be safe in my own mind (it will be hard to convince me) I might even pop a pill or two to see for myself. :O

Any links to information would be good also.

Thanks!


p.s. At this rate there may be a pill one day that is called "Food Blocker" and we can just eat everything that our hearts desire and not worry! Or, maybe they can come out with something called "The Exercise Pill". Yea, just take one a day and it's like running 10 miles. (wink) Ya gotta love marketing...!!

One approach that always works and always stands true is simply eating healthy, getting regular exercise, and watching your starchy foods. IE: A low-Carb diet, the "natural way". Oh yea, lots of water too! Folks, just because a pill states there is a "natural" ingredient inside, it doesn't always mean the "other" ingredients or long-term effects are always positive. :)

Ok, I'm done... (again, no offense) Just opinions.... (smile)

[Herrmann22]

Thanks, I didn't see the post before my questions. What's up with this board anyway? I miss half the posts and only see them after I reply... Grrrrr

ANNNNYway, I'll look into those ingredients more. The companies always have their own unique way of wording things to make everything seem safe and attractive. Sure, it sounds good so far but I like to do my own research before jumping on any bandwagon. Sorry, that's just me...

So where do these calories go if they are being blocked? Hmmm.... Poof! It's all magic... lol Either that, or this is just another "bathroom" pill. The food goes right in the mouth and out the other... you get the idea.

You body has to get rid of the sugars and carbs somehow right? So if they are being blocked?...where do they go? Or, should I say..how often must YOU go... LOL

Thanks again!

[bcadieux]

Thanks for the info mbschlgr.
I've been looking for something to take to China with me in April where I'll have to eat what I'm given.
Maybe I'll take some of these with me.
Bette

[mbschlgr]

Thanks, I didn't see the post before my questions. What's up with this board anyway? I miss half the posts and only see them after I reply... Grrrrr

ANNNNYway, I'll look into those ingredients more. The companies always have their own unique way of wording things to make everything seem safe and attractive. Sure, it sounds good so far but I like to do my own research before jumping on any bandwagon. Sorry, that's just me...

So where do these calories go if they are being blocked? Hmmm.... Poof! It's all magic... lol Either that, or this is just another "bathroom" pill. The food goes right in the mouth and out the other... you get the idea.

You body has to get rid of the sugars and carbs somehow right? So if they are being blocked?...where do they go? Or, should I say..how often must YOU go... LOL

Thanks again!

Here is more information for you:


Technical Information
Alpha-amylase and alpha-glucosidase are two key digestive enzymes. They break down starches and simple sugars into molecules that can be absorbed by the body – and potentially converted to fat. Nutrilite Carb Blocker 2 inhibits both enzymes, so fewer calories from sugars and starches are absorbed by the body

Your body gets rid of "excess or unused" by either solid or water waste along with the other things your body doesn't use. It's not rocket science :lol: Remember, it isn't taking the food away from you, it is only blocking specific enzymes that your stomach uses to break down a specific food for absorbtion as sugar and starch. Pretty much the same thing when you don't consume carbs, thus the name "carb blocker". If you consumed a diet high in soybeans and kidney beans you would achieve the same thing, but you would have to consume a ton of them in that state and thus, quite a bit of intestinal discomfort.

Me personally as to how often I go, I am more regular now than I have ever been. I used to have constant bouts with constipation (sorry but you asked) as to the rest read on:

How does Carb Blocker 2 compare to all the other products that claim to block carbohydrate digestion and absorption?
Most other "carb blocking" products on the market target the digestion of starch. Carb Blocker 2 is a unique combination of two enzymes, so it has the ability to inhibit the digestion and delay the absorption of both starch and sugar calories.

Are there any side effects?
NUTRILITE® Carb Blocker 2 is well tolerated. However, some sensitive people may experience mild gastrointestinal upset.

I personally have not experienced any.

Last year I did very extensive research on vitamins and deficiency. What specific deficiencies cause certain things, i.e. weight gain, fatigue, mood swings. 3 of the nutrients that people can be deficient in are in this particular brand.

Again, I do mention that they aren't a miracle cure to lose weight!! They are used in combination with a LC diet, and help on days when you make the choice to add something additional into your diet. They work for me. Now that brings me to another point, not all things work for all people...

[bcadieux]

mbschlgr,
and where do you sign up tp sell them?

[Herrmann22]

Thanks Mary.

[Bayrat]

Just back from my casino trip so I will give an assessment of the GNC carb blocker tomorrow. I really did not fall too badly, 1.5 buckwheat pancakes, two bites of bread crust and perhaps six french fries on Friday. The rest of the time I was pretty much low carb except did have a few more drinks Friday than I normally would on the weekend. I use the blockers on all but two meals (forgot them), one consisted of a bite of blueberry tart and the other a few tablespoons of cream of wheat. The rest of my meals consisted of eggs, prime rib, bacon, salads and veggies. Weigh in first thing in the morning.

[Bayrat]

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With low-carbohydrate diets still popular, supplements called carb blockers-such as Carb Trapper, Carb Cutter, and Carb-X-are suddenly everywhere. The claim: One or two tablets with a meal can block the absorption of about 400 calories' worth of bread, pasta, or potatoes.

But, do they really work? The main ingredients are bean and wheat germ extracts thought to stop carbohydrate absorption by inhibiting a digestive enzyme that breaks down starch. If starch passes through you undigested, you should lose weight.

That's the theory, but the truth is this: There's only a little evidence that they might work. In the '80s, several studies showed that the bean extract had no effect on calorie absorption or body weight.

But recently, however, researchers at the Mayo Clinic found that higher doses of bean extract (4,000 to 6,000 mg) and wheat germ extract (4,000 mg) slowed carbohydrate digestion. These higher doses are not available in commercial carb blockers, plus no one knows whether slowing carbohydrate digestion actually causes weight loss over time.

[amiee3377]

Ok I'm here to give you all an update. On Monday of last week I weighed 158. On this Monday I weigh 156. I ate low carb foods all last week. I didn't take my pills at every meal because I would forget. I am going to continue taking them. I will keep you all posted.

[Bayrat]

Amiee,

If you are low carbing, the two pounds sounds like a fairly average weight loss. The pills I have read about claim that result without low carbing, so the jury is out, keep us posted.

BRat

[bcadieux]

Yo Bayrat,

We've been waiting for you to tell us about your carb blocker casino weekend. How did it go?
Bette

[bcadieux]

Mary,

Thanks alot for the PM. I think I will give it a try
bette

[Bayrat]

I was up 2.5 pounds on Monday morning, I low carbed all day on Sunday with the exception of perhaps six ounces of soy milk and a quarter cup of all-bran. As of this morning I was within .5 of my starting weight on Friday morning, so I assume I will be back to 195 by tomorrow. With any luck I will still lose an additional pound this week, would like to be 190 by Thanksgiving.[/U]

Strange as it may seem, the only ones that seem to have luck with these blockers are people that sell them...hmmmm. I shall keep trying, still have time to use more before my month is up for the full refund on this brand!

[mbschlgr]

Strange as it may seem, the only ones that seem to have luck with these blockers are people that sell them...hmmmm. I shall keep trying, still have time to use more before my month is up for the full refund on this brand!

I don't sell them and I have luck with them. You can't just go about your merry way and eat what ever you want and pop them like candy and expect to lose weight, they don't work that way... but they can be used as an additional tool.

[Bayrat]

Interesting, what can you eat with them? I have tried small amounts of pasta, buckwheat pancakes with butter only (1.5 x 6"), half a dozen french fries, oatmeal, 1/4 cup cream of wheat and wild rice to name a few. I know they are not geared toward raw sugar so quite honestly have eaten no more than a tablespoon full of dessert if I have a craving, which is rare (perhaps five times in five months). Of course I have not lived on or depended upon them either, my loss is due strictly to my closely followed regimen of diet and exercise.

Can you give us some examples of what you ate, in what quantity and the effect the blocker had? More than one would be good, I really would like to believe they work!

Thanks for your help, I know Bette will be relying upon them soon.

BRat

[mbschlgr]

Here is what I posted the other day and it includes what I consumed... it was easier to repost it than type all over again :lol:

I have taken several different brands of "carb blockers" the infamous Ultra Carb that you hear on the radio, stuff from GNC and a product called Carb Blocker2 from Nutralite (works the best).

NOW HERE THIS... They do not work as a miracle weight loss product! BUT, they do work to help you to maintain what weight you have already lost IF you don't just totally jump off into the deep end. They work if a day here or a day there or a weekend here or a weekend there if you have made the decision to eat something at that time that you shouldn't. I have been monitoring my weight for several months (over the summer). I personally have to be careful of sugar in addition to starch. I get the shakes if I eat anything with sugar in it, BUT with the Carb Blocker2 I didn't have any ill effects from it (I did visit Dairy Queen a few times over the summer) I didn't gain any weight AND what I feel most important is that I didn't fall off the wagon. I was always one once I blew it, I couldn't stop.

Knowing that once in awhile you can consume those nasty things out there really does keep you on track. Everything in moderation!! But, we all wouldn't be here if we all did everything in moderation now woudl we :lol:

They are all natural, no stimulants... I brushed up on nutrition (the Atkins Nutrition book is terrific!!!) and basically if we were eating the things that are in the carb blockers, we wouldn't be having the troubles in the first place.

I have 5 lbs to go to reach my goal weight. I didn't actively "diet" all summer long. I pretty much ate what I wanted, basically LC, but I did indulge in Ice Cream, Pizza and occasional bread, I took Carb Blocker2 all summer and didn't gain a pound. I do not exercise, so I can tell you that my overall activities were not increased. Frankly, but being able to do so, I don't have any cravings that are uncontrollable, if I had a craving for pizza I took a Carb Blocker2 and ate that slice of pizza and much to my surprise, 1 piece was plenty and I was totally satisfied and didn't lose control after that (which is what used to happen all the time before)

I actually think that the way they work is to help control cravings and keep you under control. Not as a weight loss tool. My husband has lost 10 lbs. LCing and claims 6 of it is since he started taking Carb Blockers. Will they work for everyone? I can't answer that, but they have worked for me. I do not sell them and I do not intend to sell them, I'm just letting people know about my experience with them and where to get them if they want the particular type I take.

[Bayrat]

That is interesting Mary. Do you weigh in more than once a week if you eat that ice cream and such? I have documented my weight daily before and after the few times I have cheated, but only one time did I actually eat a full serving of a forbidden fruit. That would have been a full sized helping of cake and pie, the other times were minimal amounts of things. I can honestly say that with blocker or without the starch meals always had the same result, a two plus pound weight gain that would be gone within a week. That is why I am curious about your method of tracking, if you weigh in once a week you may not notice the rise and fall after a cheat meal and attribute the blocker to holding the line when in reality it is Atkins at work.

[mbschlgr]

I always weigh myself on Monday mornings. Occasionaly I will weigh myself at other times during the week but not as a general rule.

Daily weighing will show fluctuations in weight whether or not you cheat. There are always contributing factors, and just about any professional will tell you that once a week at the same time, wearing the same thing will give you your actual "average" for the week.

Past personal experience has given me proof that the carb blockers help me. If I ever had cheats in the past I was doomed. I would look at food and gain weight. Cravings would return and I would ALWAYS spiral out of control to my old eating habits. I also have adverse reactions when I consume sugar, I get the shakes, sick to my stomach, etc and if I take the carb blocker I do not have those symptoms.

Again, I must repeat, I don't just go hog wild (again I feel that the carb blockers help with this)

You don't gain 2 lbs of fat over night, nor do you lose 2 lbs of fat over night. 1 lb of fat loss is either the burning of 3500 calories or total consuming LESS than 3500 calories, (or a combination of both) and weighing daily can cause some people to get very discouraged. So if you for example eat a piece of cake that is 1000 calories and the carb blocker blocks 500 this in turn helps with your total consumption.

[amiee3377]

Ok yesterday I ate earthquake cake and today my scale said 154.5 :) It is working for me.

[bcadieux]

My daughter and family are going to Louisana on Tues to visit relatives. You know what they eat there, beans and rice, among other high carb stuff. So she is taking carb blockers with her. She doesn't want to hurt the relly's feelings.
Then they are going to Florida where I will meet them for a 10 day vacation. I don't know if I will try any high carb stuff but if I decide to I will take the carb blockers. I will let you all know what happened when we return. Maybe they will work!!
-Bette

[amiee3377]

I ate bad yesterday too and my weight still hasn't changed. :) I'm going to be a good little girl today ;)

[Bayrat]

Now we have a real test going! I am really unsure of this sugar blocker/carb blocker combo though. If that worked every diabetic in the country would be after them. I am surprised the accounting of refined sugar use and blockage I am seeing here, even the websites claim only moderate blockage of simple sugars generated by the consumption of starchy foods, not refined sugar.

Keep us posted, perhaps we will all get to write an article in the NE Journal of Medicine :lol:

[klaus74]

Let me just otss my 2 cents in...

I use them.. They seam to work for me..

Every two weeks.. I go to Fuddruckers.. and get me a burger or a big dog, with the bun... My stomach feels like garbage a few hours later (well.. about 1).. but it has not slowed or stopped my loss... That is my compromise to still eat certain foods that I enjoy.. I have not tried the blockers with a full "Carb-fest".. but I don't have any desire too.

Oh.. I only take these right before (15 min) I eat out like that..

[Bayrat]

I go to Fuddruckers Interesting name, do you have fries or rings as well or is the bun your cheat meal? I have eaten two pieces of toast without using carb blockers and lost weight for the week as well.

[amiee3377]

Ok I got on the scale this morning and it is tom week for me and I was still 155. That's great. I know that I should at least me 153 next week. I don't encourage anyone to eat high carbs but if you do just make sure that you have the carb blockers in your system. I can't believe these cheap things are working. The bottle that I have tells you to take 1 during your meal three times a day. Well when I ate that earthquake cake I took two. I admit I did feel a sugar high but I didn't have any cravings for high carb foods.

I've also lost an inch in my hips :)

[klaus74]

When I goto Fudds.. I just do the burger/hot dog.. no fries and onion rings.. I just dont have a taste for really high starchy foods anymore...

I see the crap flour bun.. with the processed bad oils (butter on the bun for toasting) as the "bad" things... I dont use the carb blockers as a "free for all" of things I can have now.. just things that I would like... that I enjoy... but want to still be kinda safe about things.. :)

[Bayrat]

Amiee, how do they work for sugar? The pills are only supposed to block the conversion of starch TO sugar. What you are describing is a week where you did not lose weight and you indulged one time, correct? I see that happening to me with or without the blockers, but then I am a realist and need hard evidence before committing to an idea.

[CeeTee]

Hi all! I've been following this thread for awhile because I've been curious about carb blockers. I'm only just over a week back into LC'ing and its been
s-l-o-w going. I've been floowing the Induction Phase very closely and drinking tons of water. I started taking L-Carnitine yesterday to see if that helps any...but I've got a couple of trips coming up and I know it's not going to be possible for me to LC totally and I don't want to gain while I'm away so I thought that maybe a carb blocker might be the answer. I actually sent away for a Phase 2 product called CarboBan (great promises but the proofs gonna be in the pudding...so to speak). I should be receiving it soon, so I'll keep you all posted as to its effect on me. I sent away for it rather than buying one over-the-counter because it has a 90 day trial and full refund if unsatisfied. I didn't realize that Health Food Stores also refunded their products until I read it from Bayrat (who, by the way sounds like he live around the corner from me).
Talk with you soon...

[Mo`nique]

I'm an ex-Atkins member. The diet worked really well for me and in a month I lost about 8 lbs. I never watched portions unless they contained carbs. I felt great and was rarely ever hungry. Then I got off when family was down south for a visit. I kept the weight off for months by sticking to the good carbs. Then I stopped that too. I have no stamina when it comes to low carbs.

Its been about 18 months now and I've tried over and over but can't get back on a low-carb diet. The variety isn't there. So I started using a variety of carb blockers. All have the kidney bean extract.

I ate what I wanted and managed to not gain weight. In the best case scenario, I lost up to 2 lbs in one week using the blockers and eating as I pleased. I didn't keep refills handy and gained back after stopping the blockers.

Today I'm starting today with Carbolix. This is the product with Alpha C and the kidney bean extract and claims to be better than the others. I have a 6 month supply.

If y'all are interested, I'll keep posting the progress here. I plan on eating good carbs as much as possible, but McDonald's #4 breakfast is my weak spot.

[amiee3377]

Bayrat,

I'm sorry that I'm just now responding to your post. I'm not sure if it works with sugar. I've never cheated like that before so you maybe right. I didn't have any cravings after eatting the cake and I was surprised. I'm not going to continue eatting like that but I'm glad that it is working thus far.

[Bayrat]

Amiee no sweat, I have been stumbling over here when time permits. I purchased something called "BLOCK AND BIND" at vitamin world with the refund I got from GNC this week. I have taken them at every meal that contained carbs and did not notice any significant difference in weight. I had 1/2 of one pancake with my egg at Perkin's Thursday while my low-carbing friend ate a stack of four of them along with sausage. Since I check my weight at exactly the same time each morning while conducting these tests to be consistent, I found a 1.5 pound gain had occurred from the previous day. I had a net loss of a pound going for the week but think that was destroyed by the small treat. I will check again tomorrow to verify, but even if I am back to where I started, what did the blocker block???

OK CEETEE, what side of The Bay are you on? I'll give you a hint where I am, "School House Country Store".

Mo'niQue Please do keep us posted on the results.

BRat

[CeeTee]

Bayrat...Don't know "School House Country Store"
Not sure if you're talking about "S" Bay or "I" Bay...
I'm just East of "I" Bay and a little North of "Big O". (hehehe):D

[CeeTee]

Ooooops...I meant a little South of the "Big O".

[Bayrat]

Well that certainly explains it. I know about the big "O" and it is a good thing you are not north of it, a bit cold there today. Yes, I am east of "I" bay as well but much closer to "S" bay. South of the big "O" just enough to avoid the taxes associated with waterfront.


Later,

BRat

[Bayrat]

PS....can jog to the end of Lake Rd from where I am. Probably will stir some curiosity if the fact that one may actually live near the big "O" gets around :exclm:

[Bayrat]

My weigh-in this morning indicated what that 1/2 a pancake did to me Thursday morning is starting to come off. Down 1 pound since then but really wish I had not tried this, would have had a two pound loss most likely. I am still trying to figure what the block and bind did to assist me, I have had the same type results without them. I have taken two of this brand at each meal since Wednesday as well as a couple of bottles of other kinds over the months and do not see the weight falling off like some have indicated.

[CeeTee]

Bayrat, have you found a good health food store nearby? One that carries more LC stuff? I'm looking for almond flour. Neither the Vitamin shops nor Wegmans carry it and I wouldn't think that GNC does either. In one of the other forums someone gave a recipe for a yummy sounding (only a few ingredients and microwavable...easy) :thup: breakfast bread. Since I'm kinda sick of eggs I'd like to try it. It's only 2.5 carbs!

[Bayrat]

CEETEE,

Try the Root Cellar in Ontario on Rt 104. I have seen assorted low carb baking goods at Vitamin World as well, but not sure if that is what you want. They are located at Eastview And Marketplace to mention a few. Plenty of lower cost Atkins drinks etc as well, it is 30% off for members once a month.

[CeeTee]

Thanks Bayrat!!
How big's your Silverton? (Man, folks must think we're having a kinky conversation! ;) ) I remember reading that you were restoring one. Our boating buddies have an older 38'. We've done the Rideau Canal with them in it and it was pretty comfortable for two weeks.

[Bayrat]

I'm dense, just got the connection :doah: . It is a 29' by 11' beam. That Root Cellar is privately owned, they will get you anything you want but have a huge selection of just about everything. Heading to see the new look of Eastview shortly, bye for now.

[CeeTee]

Has anyone ever felt nauseated from LC'ing? Last night I thought I was going to loose it...with a real bad headache, too. I didn't know if it was from what I've been eating or maybe the addition of L-Carnitine supplements. Just wondered if anyone else has ever had that reaction?
I'm in a major stall and tryin' like crazy not to get discouraged. Wednesday will be 2 weeks (full Induction, no cheating) and I'm only down 2 pounds...

Bayrat, How far out 104 is The Root Cellar? We travel that road quite frequently on our way up to the St. Lawrence...but haven't noticed it. N or S side of road?
Have been meaning to get out to Eastview to check it out but haven't yet...how's it look?

[Bayrat]

The Root Cellar is on the south side just past the stop light at Rt350. Have not been sick from Lc, just not as much of a rush of energy as I am used to from carbs. Watch those supplements, I had adverse reactions to all that stuff they tell you to take. I use a good powdered multi purchased at V world plus some magnesium, potassium and calcium. I don't think the bean extract we are trying here amounts to anything. East View is beautiful and crowded, stayed until about eight and then went to dinner. So far everything has gone wrong today, like a jinx were placed upon me. Freezer defrosted, been cooking meat all day. Spill everything I touch messes everywhere. Going to mow, perhaps I can run over my foot with the blade :doah:

[CeeTee]

Bayrat- I've had days like that, too :thdown:
Thanks for the directions. And I'm going to check out Eastview on Wednesday.
Regarding supplements, I'm taking a multi, E, C, soy, fish oil, calcium with mag and L-carnitine. I split them up throughout the day...but you're probably right, I may be overdoing it. Going down to Disney World on Saturday for a week :D and thought that I'd take a break from all the pills while I was away...just to flush out my system, so to speak.
Well, I think I should get on the treadmill for awhile. Talk to you later...

[Bayrat]

Hmmm...Disney World, never been there. Sounds like fun except I don't like long lines or roller-coasters, I'll bet the food is to die for. Sounds as though you are flying, probably from Buffalo as is much cheaper than The other one. Last time I was in the sunshine state I was 13, in the back of my Mom's Chrysler T&C wagon. Stayed at the free places, uncles and grandparents, many still there. I like Vegas around late February or March, not sure if I will go next year but missed this year so I am a quart low. Watch out for the sand crabs!

BRat

[rrmalns]

Is it okay to take carb blockers everyday or are you suppossed to just take them when you are planning to binge?

[Bayrat]

rrmalns,

They are concentrated bean extract, so I doubt it matters. If I eat food with carbs I take them, but don't see a whole lot of difference either way. Read some of this thread, it tells a story about them.

BRat

[rrmalns]

Bayrat,
Just read most of the thread. Lots of interesting information. My conclusion is they work to help maintain your weight loss. I havent gained but I havent really lost either. I returned my Carbolix today for a full refund. I think Im going to pick up a different brand and try it but probably not everyday like I did with the Carbolix. Ill use it when I get some serious cravings for bad foods. I have to get myself back in the habit of eating lower carb to lose the last 15 lbs.

[CeeTee]

Bayrat, I was going to go to the Post Office today to see whether my Carboban has arrived....but then realized it's Veterans Day!!! And I'm not sure I'll have an opportunity tomorrow, so it'll have to wait till Thursday.
I love Disney World!! And November is a great time to go (lower prices, hardly any lines). I don't do roller coasters...but the attractions are amazing! We especially like the GM Test Track at Epcot and the Kilamajaro Safari at Animal World. The food is ok...pricey, though. Trying to figure out how I'm going to LC while there. We do have a microwave and small refrig in the room, but that's why I was interested in the carb blockers.
We're going to Las Vegas in mid December. I'm just a travelin' fool!! Actually, I had some frequent flyer miles that were burning a hole in my pocket...Never been there that time of year. I hope its not too cold. Haven't been since Spring of 2002 so there should be some new stuff to see.

LC question: Did you go through a time where you've lost your appetite? Some times at meal times I don't feel like eating at all!

Gonna run...Bye!

[Bayrat]

Yes CeeTee I have had those spells and usually have a light snack such as tuna or all-bran with soy milk for dinner. I am in one of those slumps today, ate sausage and HB eggs for breakfast every morning trying to use up some of the meat I had to cook when the freezer quit and find I am not hungry in the evening. Had some pork and mashed turnips for lunch and a bit of cauliflower salad. Not a bad thing, just bloated from all the meat I think. Other than the bit of veggie and the cream for my java hardly any carbs the last few days, see if I am on target when I weigh in Friday.

I have been in Vegas over Thanksgiving and the weather was decent, about like it is in late Feb or early March. December is probably more like a dice toss :lol: . Where do you stay? I am a fan of the MGM but the Aladdin was really great with that underground 1.2 mile mall to wander in. The room was actually nicer than the grand tower but seemed the whole place was not kept quite as tidy as the MGM. Of course the Venetian would suit me as well, just have a problem paying double the price for it. You will be fine with the food in Disney, they must have meat of some sort on a stick or a bone.

rrmalnsI doubt they will help you much, if they really worked you would be losing weight taking them all the time like you are. How many calories can one eat, they claim to block 1000 on average among them? Try low carbing and see what happens when you take them, does it increase the loss dramatically for the week when you are watchful of your diet? I'll bet not but let us know.

[rrmalns]

I was very, very bad tonight. I ate 4 slices of pizza at our neighborhood Little Italy Restaurant. It was so GOOD!! Took my carb blockers. Hopefully my weight will be the same in the morning. Im starting back on the diet seriously Thursday.

Disney is a great place to go. We havent been since the summer of 2002. We went to Universal Studios in August. That is a really cool place. Mostly simulator rides. Had 1 roller coast that I remember(The WoodyWoodpecker) that my 2 year old got to ride. We will be going back there this summer. Im hoping my son has grown enough by then to ride more stuff.

If the pizza didnt hurt me, then I should be able to take the carb blockers occasionally without worrying about gaining weight(occasionally being the key word here). Keeping my fingers crossed!

[Bayrat]

Please let us know if they worked for you, my guess is an increase but for your sake I hope not!

[rrmalns]

Increase is correct!!!!! 2 lbs!!!!! So used the left over pasta in fridge for lunch today, and will start tomorrow fresh. I wouldnt say Im going to do induction , but I will say Im going to keep my carbs under 40, and ride my bike atleast 3 days a week(5miles to start). Not worried about the carb blockers for now. I am going to try and lay off the Atkins bread and bagels. Stick to all veggies, nuts, meats, and fats like sour cream, avocado, etc. I wanted to be down to 140 by Thanksgiving. I dont think its too late.

[Bayrat]

rrmalns

I thought I was the only one with results like yours, sorry to hear about the gain by the way. My trials have turned out exactly the same, usually a two pound gain that goes away within a week if I return to LC eating. What did they do, nothing :thdown: same results with or without them. I have to believe they are a scam. You have a couple of weeks to dump a few pounds, I am trying to trim five by then at least because right after turkey day is Christmas and that means a few more great meals.

BRat

[CeeTee]

Hi all! I was gone all day yesterday, but caught up on the postings since my last visit. I picked up my Carboban (at the Post Office) yesterday morning and took them according to directions (2 - 10 minutes before lunch and dinner). I was down a pound this morning but that may have been a fluke as my carbs were relatively low. My plan for next week (vacation) is to LC when I can and just take it easy if I get stuck in a situation with carbs. I'll continue to take the blocker and report my results upon my return. If I just stay the same weight I'd be happy! Then my next challenge will be LasVegas (I can handle Thanksgiving!). But I'm thinking that with all the great buffets I should be ok.

Bayrat-I've stayed at different places during our visits. Excaliber was inexpensive and the room was pretty large but it seemed kinda "beat" to me, like it needed refurbishing. Then we stayed in a time share across from the Orleans (Club de Soleil). That was GREAT! It was huge with a full kitchen. They ran a shuttle service so being a bit away from the strip didn't really matter. This time we're doing the timeshare thing again but will be right on the strip at the Polo Towers (next door to MGM). I'd love to stay at Bellagio, but same as you...the price tag would get in the way!
Since I was in Henrietta yesterday I stopped at Lori's Natural Foods. The place is huge! I did get my almond flour but they don't carry too many low-carb products. I will try the Root Cellar next time I'm out that way...
How'd you like that wind last night and this morning?

[rrmalns]

Weighed in at 148 this morning. Changing my stats now. Started fresh this morning with the diet. Once the loaf of Atkins bread and bagels are gone, I will try not to purchase anymore until I reach 140.

Menu as been good so far,
Breakfast- Cinnamon Raisin bagel w/cream cheese
Lunch - Rostisserie chicken from WalMart w/Ranch and hot sauce
Dinner - Will be stuffed bell peppers

Hope it only takes me a few days to get back to 145. As of today I only have two weeks to drop down to 140. We are going to have Thanksgiving dinner with family but we have friends we want to drop in on while were there, so I really want to be at 140.

[Bayrat]

Ceetee,

Lost a very large spruce tree yesterday, the winds here were clocked in excess of 70mph in some areas. I have had enough wind/ice damage this year to last a loooong time.

I believe you will be heading out tomorrow? Have a safe and enjoyable trip, can't wait to get away again myself, too much business lately to have time to enjoy myself.

Brat

[CeeTee]

Brat...Hey, that's what I'm usually called! :p except with the word "spoiled" in front of it !!

I never remember winds blowing that hard for that long around here...it sounded like my windows were going to pop out (or in) at any time.

I'm all ready to go...don't treasure the thought of getting up at the crack of dawn, although I used to do it every day when I was at "the big yellow box".

I don't know if its an effect of the carb blocker, but my stomach has been rumbling all afternoon...not loud or anything...I mean, I didn't disturb the neighbors! Did you find that ever happened to you?

Thanks for the nice send-off...will post when I return.

[Tammyjoe]

Just a quick note about the carb blockers. I was told by someone that they not only block carbs but also will "pull" out other valuable vitamins and minerals from your body.
I decided not to take the ones that I bought. I decided that it was better to eat well instead of expected a pill to block out the bad stuff I was eating.
Lois

[CeeTee]

I'm baaaaaack...
And I didn't gain a pound!!!! :yay:
I tried sticking to LC and was actually surprized that I was able to do so without too much effort. Had smoked turkey legs alot for lunch. The only really weird thing that I did do was one morning (just before a tour we took at Magic Kingdom) my husband got a bagel and I ate his cream cheese! Gross, huh? :Puke:
I tended to "indulge" only a bit at dinner, having wine and a little of the starch that was served with my meal (like polenta or risotto), never bread!
and maybe little bits of fruit that might have been in my salad or sauce. But I did take the carb blockers every day as well.
Now, to be fair, I did walk an average of 5 miles a day...so, who knows!?!
I'm back on the straight and narrow today...actually going to continue on Induction till I start loosing again.
Not much activity on this thread in my absence...Hey Bayrat, you still out there?

[rrmalns]

Hi CeeTee, glad to hear your back! Good to hear you didnt ruin the diet. Are you going to continue to use the carb blockers?

Bayrat, are you still using carb blockers?

[imi138]

There is a reason for that Bette. As you probably know, they don't eat the junk along with the rice. Meat is used as a garnish if they can afford it and you don't see it mixed with General Tso sweet sauce. Besides, they have to work their buts off to survive.

Hi Bayrat - in response to your post (No 48 on pg 4),

although i agree that asian people in rural areas need to be physically active to survive, there are many asians in european/american etc countries who still eat rice, and still remain slim.

Also i notice that asian kids at schools enjoy sports LESS than the other kids. i live in new zealand, and i see lots of caucasian/pacific people playing sports, jogging etc, but HARDLY ANY ASIANS doing this

Apart from rice, noodles etc are actually part of many asian people's daily menu - especially now with the convenience of 2-minute noodles, frozen pre-made dumplings and dim sums.

also, i dunno about in america, but the asian people in new zealand eat out a lot at asian restaurants (where they serve mainly high-carb foods), but they're still slimmer overall.
actually around the city/central suburb areas, there are like 2-3 asian restaurants/food places opening every month...and i know many asian people who go to yum cha every few days and eat lots of high-carb foods, but still stay slim

even asian people in cities like shanghai, hongkong, etc. are usually slimmer than caucasian people, and they don't do much exercise at all, and many of them dont have to be physically active to survive

Therefore, i think that your explanation can apply to asian people in rural areas, but it doesn't apply to asian people living in big cities, or asians who have moved to different countries

[Bayrat]

Hi everyone, I'm back as well. Been busy around here with the storm of last week and just got a minute to log on, thanks for asking.

I am still using the blockers RRmalns. Don't really see any difference one way or the other but since I had mail-ordered two bottles worth some time ago I am using them up. CeeTee, you did not gain weight and that is a good incentive to keep going eh. I bought some size 34 jeans at Old Navy last night and they are actually loose, now my head is bigger :lol:. I was up on one of my poles wearing a tight shirt wiring in some new lights and the Avon Lady pulled in the driveway, did not recognize me until I said something to her, felt pretty good.

Hope you both are able to make it through the holidays without too much damage. I plan on letting go with some potatoes, stuffing and pumpkin pie at my sister's house Thursday! Then I'll have a month to recover prior to the Christmas feasts, that will be the tough one with all the candy and other sweets.

Nice to hear from you both again!

[Bayrat]

I'm sure you are more informed on the subject than I 138. The information I cited comes from articles I have read in the past that identified high sugar/high fat/high carb combinations as the culprit, increasing the heart problems in asians as they succumb to an unhealthy western diet. I am sure genetics play a part as well, as you suggest.

[rrmalns]

Way TO Go Bayrat!!!! :yay: Size 34, , thats great!!! I think you will do just fine over the holidays. I had to buy an outfit the other day for a STyx concert and bought a size 10 in Levis. I was bubbling over with joy :) .

I printed off a recipe for pecan pie on this website> Im going to make it on Wednesday for my Thanksgiving dessert! I need to get stricter with myself on the diet.
Renee

[rrmalns]

Bayrat,
I just ran across a thread where you posted you have a Harley. My DH has a harley too, its in the garage and needs something minor to work again. My mom in law has been riding harleys since she was a young adult and owns a pretty new one herself. Her fiance is the vice president of the Rolling Thunder chapter where they live. They both are in several different riding clubs. I would have guessed you were a harley rider by your picture. Ive been trying to get my DH to teach me to ride but Im wondering if he thinks Im joking.

[CeeTee]

Boy, you both are doing great (b-rat & Rr)!!!
I'm settling back into Induction...went grocery shopping this morning (the cupboards were bare) and stocked up on a bunch of meat. We recently bought one of those vacuum packing gizmos and it works quite well at keeping frozen meat staying fresh. I also have been picking up a few different LC products here and there (B-rat, my local Wegmans has considerably increased its Atkins line recently and I also took advantage of the 30%coupon in Sunday's paper for the Vitamin Store) and will be trying some LC recipes. When its cold outside I love hot soup and there are a number of recipes in the LC cookbook I recently purchased. I 'm also going to try the recipe for waffles as I'm getting pretty tired of eggs for breakfast.
I'm going to continue to take the Carb-Blockers until I decide whether or not they've actually helped...probably through the holidays...as I have a 90 day money-back guarantee on them.
Rrmalns-where abouts in Southern Florida do you live? We'll be heading to Key Largo for a couple of months at the end of January. Only visited there for a day last year, so it'll be an adventure! Hoping to catch (and eat) lots of fish duirng our stay.

[Bayrat]

Please keep us posted on the results of the blockers CeeTee! Glad to have you back here too.


I'll send you a picture of the bike Renee when I get a minute, have to run now. Send us one of yours too!

[Bayrat]

I get sick of the HB eggs too CT, usually have 1/2 cup of oatmeal for breakfast on Saturdays. Ahh the life of the retired, I envy your stay in Florida this winter. Perhaps some day......

The downsized clothes really makes all this eating right and exercising worth it does it not! I'm happy for both of you, now we have to muster the will to defeat the holiday feasts, at least to some extent.


Yea Renee....part biker, part bayrat, part farmer wannabe :lol: , depends upon the reality I want to live in at the time. What H/D does DH have? Tell me it's a Panhead, my favorite. What seems to be the problem with it? I found one while I was looking last summer but it was sold by the time I got around to buying. It was on a choppers site, I am partial to those since that is what I cut my teeth on. I have seen many ladies on bikes these days, mostly Sportsters but many on full sized bikes as well. Not to mention numerous Japanese models that can be fit to the size of the person since there are so many of them. I really should stick to the electric start now, hurt my knee when the kicker on one of mine unmeshed with the teeth just as I jumped on it. Rolled on the ground in pain for a minute or two on that one, now I can always tell when the weather is going to change.

BRat

[rrmalns]

CT , I live in the vacinity of Palm Beach. We are about 1 1/2 hours from Key Largo I would say. We stayed in Key West a couple months ago, at the Southern Most BEd and Breakfast. It was BEAUTIFUL!!! Never stayed in Key Largo but thats the !st Key we pass on our way to Key West. Im sure its just as beautiful! On our anniversary we stayed in a hotel at Islamorada in the Central Keys. I cant remember which key that was. My momnlaw goes to the fantasy fest in Key WEst just about every year. She brings back some of the wildest pictures you could imagine. I would say much wilder than Mardi Gras!

Brat, I would love to see a picture of your harley. I will post a picture of our Harley maybe tomorrow or after the holidays. Its an 83 harley, shovelhead. Its older, but looks new. Its really been taken care. His mom gave it to him when we moved here. He said the problem is in the fuel line. I also will post a picture of his moms. Ill take a picture when were there for Thanksgiving. I think she bought hers in 2001.

[rrmalns]

:lol: Sorry, 83 Sportster, shovelhead design

[Bayrat]

Sportster was my first Harley. Actually a great bike, handles well and fun to ride, I used to take mine on short trips as well. I have bought and sold several others as well. Sounds like something you could easily learn to ride!

[rrmalns]

BRat ,We will see. I think if my DH knew I was serious about learning to ride he'll teach me. I cant drive a stick shift car so would it be just as difficult? We have a nice area to ride out here. Lots of harley riders travel A1A which is along the coast. The speed limit is low, because of the tourism and the ocean being right there.

CT, You guys are coming down for a couple months? Do you have a summer house, or your staying in a hotel that long? Retirement is wonderful if you plan for it. Is this your first trip to the keys. If you make it down to Key West stay at the Southern Most Bed and Breakfast(the one closest to the 90 miles from Cuba sign) because I think theres two. It is SOOO Nice! Its rather cheap*I think* this time of year also!

[CeeTee]

rr, Last year about this time my DH and I both decided that we'd had enough of working for major corps. :cheer: We had planned an early retirement...but it was still scarey giving up those pay checks. Its worked out ok for us...you really don't need to spend a lot of money unless you have some major house, health, car or debt problems. It's the property/school taxes up here that are killers! So, anyway, this past Feb & Mar was the first long vacation we've ever taken. We went to Marco Island for a month and Orlando for a month (mostly because I hate winter). I found both places on this great vacation rentals website, as I did the town house we'll be renting in Key Largo. I found one condo in Key Largo last winter but it wasn't available for the entire month. I struck up an internet correspondence with the owner and she invited us to their place...so while we were in Marco we drove over. It was kind of weird (not having ever met)...but had a really nice day together. They took us out on their boat, to lunch and they showed us their rental units. That was our only visit to the Keys. I'm psyched about seeing Key West. Probably won't stay over night, though, as its only an hour or two away from our rental.
Your Mother-in-law sounds like a hoot!!!! :Party:

[CeeTee]

BRat- I was down two pounds this morning :cheer: but I'll wait to post it until I've stayed there for a few days.

I made LC pancakes (3 carbs) for breakfast this morning. They weren't half bad!! Then I went and had HB eggs for lunch! Go figure!?!

Keto makes an oldfashioned oatmeal that is a nice change of pace for only 3 g of carbs.

I'm not too concerned about overdoing it on Thursday. I love turkey and salad...so I'll stick mostly with that. Usually I put little dabs of potatoes and squash on my plate, mush it around a little and nobody ever asks any questions. My family is so used to (and probably sick of) me always being on diets that it doesn't phase anyone any more!
Wishes to you both for a safe and happy Thanksgiving. :heart:

[rrmalns]

CT, My mother in law is a hoot. She has always had a childlike quality. She is also about 5'11 and did some modeling when she was younger. Shes been racing bikes since the late 60s. She is a harley woman. She and her fiance are in several riding groups. She has a nice bike , and I will have to remember to post a picture when I get back.

I dont know if youve tried the TGI Fridays spinach and artichoke dip from the store, but it has 0 carbs. Ive been eating it like crazy with bacon for several days now. I cook my bacon in the microwave until its crisp and use it to dip. I dont know how it has 0 carbs, but it definitely says 0. Sounds like your doing well on your diet. Hope it continues through the holidays. Dont stress if you cheat. It is Thanksgiving and it only comes around once a year. Enjoy it with your family.

We have a vacation planned in Ft Lauderdale in March. We had 2nights and 3 days but they gave us an extra night to do a timeshare presentation. We have done several of these to get free tickets to disney attractions, or hotels. The nice thing is Ft Lauderdale is only 45 minutes away, and we dont have to worry about coming home, and piling the sand in the car just for an afternoon, like we usually do.. It will be so relaxing. We only ended up spending 10 dollars for the vacation. PRetty Good , huh?
Have a Great Thanksgiving CT and BRat
Renee

[Bayrat]

CT good going! I have been bouncing up and down the last couple of weeks. This morning I am a pound heavier than I was a week ago, but the beers and jug at the pickin' party last night are not exactly on the plan. The pancakes sound great, I have a bag of buckwheat flour and when I go over the edge next time I will probably go for that. It looks like not much difference in the net carbs between the LC products and good quality multi grain stuff from what I have seen of them but then I seldom eat it so the real thing can't be that bad. How much dry oatmeal for the 3 net carbs? Regular is around 9-12 for a half a cup I think.

Not old enough to retire for some time yet but I am thinking of changing from the high stress environment I am part of now to something else when I reach the age which allows my health insurance to go with me. Just a few years to go.

Renee those vacations sound great, were do you find the deals? My SO and I have been tossing Florida around for a couple of years but I am not a big beach person. I would like to do the sport fishing one day and have a small sailboat such as a cat available the rest of the time. Would not mind trying my hand at scuba diving either! Near lots of stores and shops, I like to wander, can not sit around it drives me crazy. When my kids were younger I took them to the beach by boat, they learned to swim off the sand bars of the great lakes and fish wherever there is water. One skied all winter, the other body built and I did it on a shoestring budget. We have done the condo sales in Vegas, usually get a free show and dinner or cash but you have to hold your ground or you end up with something you may not want later. I have seen couples arguing about it when the pressure is on to buy one and newly weds putting the down payments on charge cards :nono: .

HAVE A GREAT DAY!

BRat

[CeeTee]

I got off easy today...only have to make a salad to bring to Thanksgiving dinner, so I thought I'd log on for a couple of minutes.

Regarding Timeshare presentations...my in-laws got the best one ever. They were put up for 3-4 days in Ft. Lauderdale (where they listened to the presentation), received a rental car and Disney passes AND a 3 day cruise!! Pretty good, eh?

This morning I tried on some clothes that I haven't worn in a while and they were almost comfortable. I think it might take a couple more lbs. It's been such slow-going for me ... I'm really trying not to get discouraged! Personally I think that all of the yo-yo dieting throughout the years has destroyed my metabolism. Plus I'm getting to be that age... But its just a constant fight for me!

BRat-My DH is a diehard fisherman! Tackle and poles are always included with our luggage on just about all of our vacations (probably not LasVegas!)
He used to fish for salmon in the "big O" when he had his 26' Thompson, but then we got a summer place up North and he traded it in for more of a run about fishing boat. The fishing up there's not as good as it was a few years back. I remember going out and having our limit ( of small mouths) in 15 minutes! He even caught a muskie one Sept. on half a worm! Good thing we have pictures.

Well, kiddies, I'm gonna go "toss my salad" and head out. Take care...catch up with y'all later.

[Bayrat]

Stopped by for a quick note, raining cats and dogs here so incentive to do the bucket work I had planned for the day went down the tubes. Been wiring inside my barn, trying to get enough in for heat and lights prior to the cold that will be here soon.

Sounds like a great life CT! Camp up north, then head south for the winter. Hope you did better than me yesterday. I had one spoon of potatoes, one of stuffing and was good though the rest until dessert. Ouch...ate that home made pecan pie AND some pumpkin. Don't dare look at the scale today.

BRat

[CeeTee]

I was soooooooo good yesterday!!
I had a couple of shrimp (without cocktail sauce), a slice of pepperoni, and a bit of cheese as hors d'ouvres then salad, turkey, a bit of aspargus and two brussel sprouts. I did have a few glasses of Merlot, though, but no dessert. The scale stayed the same this morning...so I can't complain.

Tonight we're having a few people over for dinner. I wish it would stop raining because I want DH to cook out. I'm making a LC cheese cake with a crushed almond crust for dessert and, Renee, I bought some of that TGIFridays artichoke and spinach dip that you raved about. Except...it does have 2 carbs per 2 Tablespoons...its not 0 carbs as she initially thought. Too bad :mad:

Not much planned for the weekend, how 'bout you guys?

[Bayrat]

Back in from wiring, hands cold now and a bit hungry. Will probably go for a fish and a wine tonight, might as well really screw it up. Have been good all day, very few carbs but did have craving for some this morning. No plans except work around here this weekend, trees to cut down if the weather permits. Otherwise I will probably work on the boat, at least it is dry in there.

Nice job with the eats CT, by the way. I let it go but since I am not that far from my goal it keeps me focused on staying with the plan. The last couple of months has been slow but mostly my fault due to the occasional cheats. Still see a loss of a pound or two at the end of each one, so I can live with that.

[CeeTee]

BRat-You have done really really well (according to your posted stats). :thup: Is the entire loss since August? I just wish I could loose the way I used to. I think I'll start working on more exercise for the next few weeks...then the challenge will be the Las Vegas trip, but I'm not as worried about that since my Disney vacation eating went so well.

My dinner party went well last night. That spinach and artichoke dip was great! I put it out with crackers and celery. I dipped with the celery. And although 2 Tablespoons didn't sound like much...it was plenty for an appetizer. And the cheesecake was really good! :yum: I had some blueberries left in the freezer and used that for the topping. I found this stuff called guar gum. Its an all vegetable thickener. you only use a little bit and it does the trick in sauces and soups or anything you want thicker (like the blueberry juice). Anyway, even with a few glasses of wine and all the extras I stayed the same on the scale this morning. Ya figure its the carb blockers?

Hey what did ya think of the white surprize this morning? I bet we had a good 4 inches by the time we got up. I'm not ready for that yet!!

Probably just gonna putz around today. Take care...

Hey Renee, where are you? Did the big turkey get you? ;)

[rrmalns]

WEll, BRat, one timeshare I got for letting a salesperson come out and try to sell me a solar heating system for the pool. We used that hotel for vacation to Universal Studios. I got one for test driving a new vehicle, and this one to Ft Lauderdale I think came with either trying the Carbolix, or my husband trying a cassette program. I dont remember which. There all over the place, ecspecially in Florida.

Glad to hear you both did very well with your dieting. I want lie, I didnt diet. I only gained a pound. Im going to start induction on tomorrow or Monday. Im going to a matchbox concert on Friday, and my friend and I both get to go with 38 other girls backstage to meet them..Im VERY EXCITED about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I can make it back down to 145 by then. Hopefully I can get pictures and I will post them. WE just got back in town today. I havent been able to check mail from out of town with my provider, very aggravating.

CT, you did very well dieting, Im very proud of you. The dip has 2 grams fiber, doesnt that 0 out the carbs? Check and see, Im hoping Ive been figureing that correctly. The big turkey didnt get me, the two pieces of cheesecake did , however. According to my mom n laws tanita scales Ive been a 1 or so rough on myself. I hope I figured that dip correctly because it makes induction easier. I just love it. Well talk to you guys later, want to rest, my friend and I are taking our kids to the movies tonight.

[Bayrat]

No CT, the small losses since summer were the tail end of it. I started the day after Memorial day and lost most of my weight the next few months. Since the NYS Faire I am down about seven pounds give or take.

Was it the blockers that helped you, don't know. I took block and bind myself prior to dessert and preceded that with straight blockers for the potato and stuffing on Thursday. Had the nerve to look at the scale last night, looks like a two pound gain for the turkey season. Appears they really don't seem to have an effect on me, maybe they do for you.

Renee, I have seen those deals, they show up on the fax machine at work all the time. I always figured it was either BS and had a catch or the room was a dump and the cruise that was included was on a car carrier :lol: . You certainly have made out with it all though, good going!

[CeeTee]

Ahhh, the NYS Fair! We always try to get there. This year, the day we went, the weather was perfect for roaming around. I didn't think that the butter sculpture was as good this year...but someone told me that it was underway during the blackout and that affected it! Did you see (or try) the deep fried oreos??? I didn't try them, but they sounded interesting. If you didn't mind the lines they were giving ice cream away free. We also watched the horse competition for a while. Anyway, it was fun. And it was before my LC'ing, so it wasn't a guilt-ridden experience for me.

I started reading about "refeeding" in the "Tips and Stalls" forum yesterday. Ever heard of it? It's like 24-48 hours of eating anything you want and then going right back on strict LC'ing. It's amazing the people who swear by it...do it every week or two and still average a 2-3 lb./week loss. Ya know, come to think of it, a number of years ago I went to Weight Watchers with a friend who would meet me downtown. We got weighed in at Sibleys, then we each would buy a pound of chocolates in their candy department and eat it on the way to our favorite Italian restaurant. We might even top the night off with an Abbotts custard! The next day we were back on the diet and we both had consistant weight loss each week! Hmmmm! :idea:
I'm ready to try anything at this point.

[CeeTee]

Renee- I've thrown the box away, but I could have sworn that I looked at the fiber count as well. It would have had some fiber because of the spinach...maybe you're right...but it is yummy!

The LC cheesecake with the crushed almond crust was only 6 carbs! And pretty easy to make.

[CeeTee]

BRat- I'm having difficulty posting my picture. I scanned it and saved it into a file. When I went into my profile and bugged "add a picture" and browse, I brought up the file. The first message that I got was that the picture size was too large. I, then scanned it at 50% size and redid the above procedure. Then the message I got was that it wasn't in the right format. It's a TIF file...not sure how to scan it in as a jpg. I'm not exactly computer savie...but if you could walk me through it I'd appreciate it. I have Windows 98, if that matters.

[Bayrat]

CT my nephew and his dad have done that diet. I watched them eat everything in site on a Saturday, chocolates by the handful, you name it. They then stuck to a rigid diet all week and claimed it worked. I could not eat that way myself but it seems to work for some.

I tried to PM you to explain some tricks in detail but here is the readers digest version. When you save the file it should give you a drop down box with several file type choices, pick the one you want. You can check your file size by right clicking on the file, choose properties when the box appears. Hope this helps.

Brat

[rrmalns]

BRat, the only catch with most of the offers is you have to attend an 1 1/2 timeshare presentation. But I usually get an extra day for attending one. Like the Ft Lauderdale vacation we have planned, It was originally 2 nights 3 days. But I agreed to the presentation and they uped it to 3 nights 4 days. Oh yea, it ended up costing 5.00 a child and a 50.00 refundable room deposit. Ive used this hotel marketing company before and I know they are true to their word. They gave us back our 50 during registration. This vacation will cost us $10.00 If you ever get info from Mini Vacations in Orlando, they are legit. Im going to take a ride up I75 in the summer to get a deal for a hotel near Universal. We have more tickets to use and I think we are going this summer.

CT, I checked the dip box again. It does say 2 g c, and 2 g fiber. Thats great, because I love that dip. I started my diet today and am going to try and keep it between 20 and 30. I need to grocery shop. I had to eat Carbrite m and ms for breakfast. Our fridge is not getting cold so my husband doesnt want me to buy anthing for the freezer. Kinda makes it hard to shop when the fridge isnt working appropriately. I guess Ill be doing what BRat did awhile back and using up the meat in the freezer. It hasnt completely stop working because some of the stuff is still somewhat frozen. Dont want to take any chances, though. The carb blockers didnt do much for me either. I think they helped me stay where I was depending on how many carbs I binged with.

[Bayrat]

Renee,

In Vegas you generally have to give up 1/2 a day to be hauled around to look at the place then they sit you down and try to sell it. If you resist, they send in the high-pressure man and he will all but WWF you to sign. If you still resist, they drop you like a hot potato, no more catering coffee and danish at that point.


What do the hotels look like for those free trips, obviously you live close enough to look at them ahead of time but I don't have that option. I ended up in Detroit one day, the add for the Travelodge on the wall at the airport looked great. When I got there it was full of roaches and garbage in the halls. Obviously you have scoped these places out, the advantage of living so close. Are there any with websites I might be able to look at, or some you could recommend? If you don't want to post them you can send me a PM. Is the time frame something that can be tailored to your own schedule?

CT, any luck with the pictures?

Thanks,

BRAt

[rrmalns]

Check out minivacations.com (mvi marketing) I did a search for minivacations and there are several links. The hotels weve stayed in are 3 star hotels. They werent trashy. They were nice. They werent the Ritz Carlton(lol). One we stayed in was the maingate Clarion hotel in Orlando. You can do a search for that one also, and it shows a good picture of the place. They offered busing to Disney and had a restaurant, pool, etc. We never know where we will stay until about 30 days in advance. Ive never checked them out before hand but have had all good experiences so far. Knock on wood!!

[Bayrat]

Thanks a million Renee, I will check them out. Have the day off so I am on my way to work on the boat. Got a long way yesterday so I want to keep up the momentum. Hope your refrigerator problem is over, that was a bummer losing/cooking all that meat in one day. BIL liked it though, he scored venison, bacon and sausage to feed a family of 25.

BRat

[CeeTee]

B-Rat- Just got back from Eastview...I was surprized that it wasn't too busy. It'll probably start next week. The new addition wasn't as big as I thought...but I had fun looking around the new stores.

Last time we were in Las Vegas, we went to a t