From the American Diabetes Associaton - Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid - this is current

[Shadow-Spi]

yes i know other research has said other ways are better but
after review it was not enough to change the minds of the
USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition or the
American Diabetes Association.)

Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid

http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/foo-
dpyramid.jsp

The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food groups.
These sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
beans, and starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means
that you should eat more servings of grains, beans, and
starchy vegetables than of any of the other foods. The
smallest group -- fats, sweets, and alcohol -- is at the top
of the pyramid. This tells you to eat very few servings from
these food groups.

Eat servings from all the food groups other than the fats,
sweets, and alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of
servings on the pyramid within each food group. The exact
number of servings you need depends on your diabetes goals,
calorie and nutrition needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you
like to eat. Divide the number of servings you should eat
among the meals and snacks you eat each day. The Diabetes Food
Pyramid makes it easier to remember what to eat. For a healthy
meal plan that is based on your individual needs, you should
work with a registered dietitian (RD) with expertise in
diabetes management. To find an RD with diabetes expertise,
read the section below titled For More Help and Support.

The First Step

For most people, a great first step to healthier eating habits
is to make a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat
more fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and
sweets. If you make these changes and stick to them, pat
yourself on the back. Before you make more changes, make sure
you maintain the ones you have made. When you are ready,
decide on the next change. Keep it easy to accomplish.

As you continue to change your eating habits to manage your
diabetes, the diabetes food pyramid can help you and your
whole family eat healthier. Here are some more healthy
eating tips:

a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new foods.
Eating a wide variety of foods, even from the same food
group, helps you get all the nutrients to be in good
health. For example, within the fruit group, bananas are a
good source of potassium and oranges are a good source of
vitamin C.

b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate
30 minutes of physical activity each day. Start
slowly, by taking the stairs and walking more, or
doing more yardwork.

c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, whole
grains and beans. These are the foods you should
primarily eat. They provide lots of vitamins, minerals,
and fiber, yet they provide the least concentrated
sources of calories.

d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating many
foods that are high in fat, particularly ones with too
much saturated fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute
to the development of clogged and narrowed arteries. This
can lead to heart disease and people with diabetes are at
an even greater risk for developing heart disease.

e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly beans and
regular soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and
cookies, are not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch
of calories with little or no nutrients. Yet sugary foods
and sweets are enjoyable to eat. Strike a balance --
practice moderation.

f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more salt
and sodium than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes
from processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods,
canned soups, and pickles. To keep your salt and sodium
intake moderate, shake the salt shaker lightly and use
more fresh and unprocessed foods.

g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount and
drink it with food. Check with your health care
professional about an amount that's safe for you. Next
Step ... Learn More

Starches and Diabetes

Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat more
whole grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas,
corn, potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
because they have very little fat, saturated fat, or
cholesterol.

Vegetables and Diabetes

When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should
eat at least three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy,
chock full of vitamins and minerals, and some give you much
needed fiber. The best part: vegetables are naturally low
in calories.

Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming up. Will
fruit juice increase blood glucose levels more quickly than a
piece of fruit? Should you avoid fruit in the morning because
your blood glucose might be higher than at other times in the
day? Is it better to eat fruit with meals rather than snacks?

Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same risk
for osteoporosis as the general public. Fat-free (skim) and
low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt will provide the calcium you need
without saturated fat and cholesterol.

Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and
Diabetes

People with diabetes have no less or more need for protein
than the general public. The American Diabetes Association
nutrition guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
calories as protein. The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for
protein is 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight.

Fat and Diabetes

Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The total
amount of fat you eat should be based on the foods you like
and your goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats)
and glucose control. You need an individualized meal plan.

Sugar and Diabetes

Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
table sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly
than do other carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or
pasta. This research holds true for people with type 1
and type 2 diabetes.

Alcohol and Diabetes

Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol, if
you have diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower
blood glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of
insulin and some diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and
meglitinides (Prandin), is to lower blood glucose by making
more insulin. So, you should not drink when your blood glucose
is low or when your stomach is empty.


For More Help and Support

To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you should
eat, we suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who
has experience working with people who have diabetes. This
person can help support your efforts to change your eating
habits and control your blood glucose level. To find a
registered dietitian near you:

1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
Recognized Diabetes Education Programs in your area or call
1-800-DIABETES (1-800-342-2383).

2. Call The American Dietetic Association at 1-800-366-1655.
Ask for the names of dietitians in your area that
specialize in diabetes.

3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators, at
1-800-TEAM-UP4 (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of
several diabetes educators in your zip code.

--
http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type - 2
Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15

[Arnie Macy]

"Shadow-Spirit" (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator) quoted
the ADA in part ...

you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For example,
within the fruit group, bananas are a good source of
potassium and oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
_____________________________________________________________-
_______________

Hmmmm, interesting. A banana has about 29 carbs, and a high
glysemic index (meaning it converts to sugar *very*
quickly). For example, sugar has an index of 75 and a banana
has an index of 60. I wonder if the ADA forgot about this,
or just doesn't care about what this type of food will do to
a BG. Well, I guess they think that as long as you are under
180 2 hrs PP, everything is hokey dokey. Or so they say on
their web site.

Arnie -

[Julie Bove]

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh4dbh$tv3ht$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Shadow-Spirit" (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator)
> quoted the ADA in part ...
>
> you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For
> example, within the fruit group, bananas are a good source
> of potassium and oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
>
_____________________________________________________________-
_______________
>
> Hmmmm, interesting. A banana has about 29 carbs, and a high
> glysemic
index
> (meaning it converts to sugar *very* quickly). For example,
> sugar has an index of 75 and a banana has an index of 60. I
> wonder if the ADA forgot about this, or just doesn't care
> about what this type of food will do to a BG. Well, I guess
> they think that as long as you are under 180 2 hrs PP,
> everything is hokey dokey. Or so they say on their web site.

Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a small
banana is considered a serving.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Arnie Macy]

"Julie Bove" wrote ...

Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a small
banana is considered a serving.
___________________________________________________________-
__________

Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic index
would stay the same. No different than eating a slice of white
bread or about 11 gms of pure sugar.

Arnie -

[Julie Bove]

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh4gqs$uch6r$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Julie Bove" wrote ...
>
> Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a
> small banana is considered a serving.
> ___________________________________________________________-
> __________
>
> Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic
> index would stay the same. No different than eating a slice
> of white bread or about 11 gms of pure sugar.

Yes there is. Potassium! *L*

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Shadow-Spi]

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh4gqs$uch6r$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
: "Julie Bove" wrote ...
:
: Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a
: small banana is considered a serving.
: ___________________________________________________________-
: __________
:
: Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic
: index would stay the same. No different than eating a slice
: of white bread or about 11 gms of pure sugar.
:
: Arnie -
:

LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a
dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and
paste the information you post? because everytime i see you
talk i think to my self - how can he understand the other
posts if he cant understand this. Arnie you are free to post
here but please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess.
bye the way did you read the warnings that the ADA says about
high protein diets? il be posting a link to that soon. lol
also just wondering - if i keep changing names are you always
going to keep adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing? Shadow

[Arnie Macy]

"Julie Bove" wrote ...

Yes there is. Potassium! *L*
_____________________________________________________________-
___

Yep, you are certainly right about that. :-))

Arnie -

[Ronnie Ruf]

Shadow-Spirit scribbled these tid bits

> LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
> bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a
> dietitian

He never said any such thing.

> do you just copy and paste the information you post? because
> everytime i see you talk

You see him "talk"? where?

> Arnie you are free to post here

He needs your permission?

> but please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess. bye
> the way did you read the warnings that the ADA says about
> high protein diets

The ADA "says" warnings? Or do they "issue them"?

> il be posting a link to that soon.

Who will?

> lol also just wondering - if i keep changing names are you
> always going to keep adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing?

Who cares what you do?

--
"If the Lord can see his way clear to bless the Republican
Party the way it's been carrying on, then the rest of us
ought to get it without even asking." - Will Rogers
-----------------------------------------------
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

[Lisa N]

Quote from the bottom of the page in the link above:

"Taken from the August 1999 issue of Diabetes Forecast. Written by Hope S. Warshaw, MMSc, RD, CDE, a nationally recognized expert on healthy eating and diabetes."

This is current????? That was written 4 years ago! This may be what is currently posted on their official webpage, but it's hardly current information based on recent studies.

[Jenny]

The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people with
diabetes throughout the decades.

One only hopes that the people in the organization who put out
this dietary advice crap will take their own advice, die, and
make room for some people who actually know something about
controlling diabetes through diet to come into the
organization.

But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge
profits off of the elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet"
causes, I'm not holding my breath.

-- Jenny
168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001
and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
Starch Blockers Work?

"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
>
> yes i know other research has said other ways are better but
> after review it was not enough to change the minds of the
> USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition or
the American Diabetes Association.)
>
>
> Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
>
> http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/f-
> oodpyramid.jsp
>
> The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
> groups. These
sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains, beans, and
> starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that you
> should eat
more servings of grains, beans, and starchy vegetables than
> of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats,
> sweets, and
alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you to eat
> very few servings from these food groups.
>
> Eat servings from all the food groups other than the fats,
> sweets, and
alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
> on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number of
> servings you
need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
> needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat. Divide
> the number
of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
> eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier to
> remember what
to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
> individual needs, you should work with a registered
> dietitian (RD) with
expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
> diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For More
> Help and
Support.
>
> The First Step
>
> For most people, a great first step to healthier eating
> habits is to make
a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
> fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and
> sweets. If you
make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
> back. Before you make more changes, make sure you maintain
> the ones you
have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
> Keep it easy to accomplish.
>
> As you continue to change your eating habits to manage your
> diabetes, the
diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
> eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
>
> a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new foods.
> Eating a
wide variety of foods, even from the same food group, helps
> you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For example,
> within the
fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
> oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
>
>
> b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate 30
> minutes of
physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
> stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
>
>
> c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, whole
> grains and
beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
> provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they
> provide the least
concentrated sources of calories.
>
>
> d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating many
> foods that
are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
> fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the
> development of clogged
and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
> people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for
> developing heart
disease.
>
>
> e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly beans
> and regular
soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
> not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories
> with little or
no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
> eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
>
>
> f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more
> salt and sodium
than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
> processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned
> soups, and pickles.
To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
> salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed
> foods.
>
>
> g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount and
> drink it with
food. Check with your health care professional about an
> amount that's safe for you. Next Step ... Learn More
>
> Starches and Diabetes
>
> Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat
> more whole
grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
> potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
> because they have
very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
>
>
> Vegetables and Diabetes
>
> When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should eat
> at least
three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock full of
> vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed fiber.
> The best
part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
>
>
>
> Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming up.
> Will fruit juice increase blood
glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
> you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood glucose
> might be higher
than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
> with meals rather than snacks?
>
> Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same risk
> for osteoporosis as the general
public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
> will provide the calcium you need without saturated fat and
> cholesterol.
>
>
> Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and
> Diabetes
>
> People with diabetes have no less or more need for protein
> than the
general public. The American Diabetes Association nutrition
> guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
> calories as protein.
The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
> grams per kilogram of body weight.
>
> Fat and Diabetes
>
> Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The total
> amount of fat
you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
> goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats) and
> glucose control.
You need an individualized meal plan.
>
> Sugar and Diabetes
>
> Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
> table sugar, do
not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
> carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This research
> holds true for
people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
>
> Alcohol and Diabetes
>
> Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol, if
> you have
diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
> glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of insulin
> and some
diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides (Prandin), is
> to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you
> should not drink
when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
> empty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For More Help and Support
>
> To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you
> should eat, we
suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
> experience working with people who have diabetes. This
> person can help
support your efforts to change your eating habits and control
> your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian
> near you:
>
> 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
> Recognized Diabetes
Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
> (1-800-342-2383).
>
> 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at 1-800-366-1655.
> Ask for the
names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
> diabetes.
>
> 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators, at
> 1-800-TEAM-UP4
(1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
> educators in your zip code.
>
>
> --
> http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type - 2
> Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15

[Tony Lew]

"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:<1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com>...
> yes i know other research has said other ways are better but
> after review it was not enough to change the minds of the
> USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition or the
> American Diabetes Association.)
>
>
> Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
>
> http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/f-
> oodpyramid.jsp
>
> The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food groups.
> These sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
> beans, and starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This
> means that you should eat more servings of grains, beans,
> and starchy vegetables than of any of the other foods

<deletia>

> Sugar and Diabetes
>
> Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
> table sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly
> than do other carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta.
> This research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2
> diabetes.

Another way of phrasing this would be "Other carbohydrates
like potatoes, rice and pasta raise blood glucose just a
quickly as sugars like table sugar". Hmmm, so they're
telling you to eat a diet heavy on starches, then admit
that starches are equivalent to table sugar in affecting
blood glucose. This is preposterous. I'm starting to think
the ADA is a shill for the drug companies; they're
recommending a diet that is guaranteed to make diabetics
need more glucophage, glipizide, etc to control their
blood glucose.

[Stephanie]

Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful to
anyone. You might want to remember that some diabetics do well
on the ADA recommended diet. Others do not. I'm happy that you
have found a way of eating that works for you. If you do not
support the ADA, and their efforts to help diabetes education
and research, then so be it. However, I think it is tacky to
accuse them of "proudly killing people with diabetes
throughout the decades." Steph

"Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people
> with diabetes throughout the decades.
>
> One only hopes that the people in the organization who put
> out this
dietary
> advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make room
> for some people who actually know something about
> controlling diabetes through diet to
come
> into the organization.
>
> But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge
> profits off of
the
> elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm not
> holding my breath.
>
> -- Jenny
> 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001
> and 11/10/02 - Now
>
> http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
> your need for protein * How much people really lose each
> month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure"
> for Hunger
Cravings
> * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
> Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
> Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
> Starch Blockers Work?
>
>
> "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote
> in message news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
> >
> > yes i know other research has said other ways are better
> > but after review it was not enough to change the minds
> > of the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied
> > nutrition or
> the American Diabetes Association.)
> >
> >
> > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
> >
> >
http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/foo-
dpyramid.jsp
> >
> > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
> > groups. These
> sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
> beans, and
> > starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that
> > you should eat
> more servings of grains, beans, and starchy vegetables than
> > of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats,
> > sweets, and
> alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells
> you to eat
> > very few servings from these food groups.
> >
> > Eat servings from all the food groups other than the fats,
> > sweets, and
> alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
> > on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number of
> > servings you
> need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
> > needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat.
> > Divide the number
> of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
> > eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier to
> > remember
what
> to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
> > individual needs, you should work with a registered
> > dietitian (RD) with
> expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
> > diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For More
> > Help and
> Support.
> >
> > The First Step
> >
> > For most people, a great first step to healthier eating
> > habits is to
make
> a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
> > fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and
> > sweets. If you
> make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
> > back. Before you make more changes, make sure you maintain
> > the ones you
> have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
> > Keep it easy to accomplish.
> >
> > As you continue to change your eating habits to manage
> > your diabetes,
the
> diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
> > eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
> >
> > a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new
> > foods. Eating a
> wide variety of foods, even from the same food group, helps
> > you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For
> > example, within the
> fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
> > oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
> >
> >
> > b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate 30
> > minutes of
> physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
> > stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
> >
> >
> > c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables,
> > whole grains and
> beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
> > provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they
> > provide the
least
> concentrated sources of calories.
> >
> >
> > d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating
> > many foods that
> are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
> > fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the
> > development of
clogged
> and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
> > people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for
> > developing heart
> disease.
> >
> >
> > e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly beans
> > and regular
> soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
> > not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories
> > with little or
> no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
> > eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
> >
> >
> > f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more
> > salt and
sodium
> than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
> > processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned
> > soups, and
pickles.
> To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
> > salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed
> > foods.
> >
> >
> > g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount and
> > drink it with
> food. Check with your health care professional about an
> > amount that's safe for you. Next Step ... Learn More
> >
> > Starches and Diabetes
> >
> > Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat
> > more whole
> grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
> > potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
> > because they have
> very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
> >
> >
> > Vegetables and Diabetes
> >
> > When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should
> > eat at least
> three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock full of
> > vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed
> > fiber. The best
> part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming up.
> > Will fruit juice increase blood
> glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
> > you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood glucose
> > might be
higher
> than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
> > with meals rather than snacks?
> >
> > Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same
> > risk for osteoporosis as the
general
> public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
> > will provide the calcium you need without saturated fat
> > and cholesterol.
> >
> >
> > Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and
> > Diabetes
> >
> > People with diabetes have no less or more need for protein
> > than the
> general public. The American Diabetes Association nutrition
> > guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
> > calories as
protein.
> The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
> > grams per kilogram of body weight.
> >
> > Fat and Diabetes
> >
> > Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The total
> > amount of fat
> you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
> > goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats) and
> > glucose
control.
> You need an individualized meal plan.
> >
> > Sugar and Diabetes
> >
> > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
> > table sugar, do
> not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
> > carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This research
> > holds true
for
> people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
> >
> > Alcohol and Diabetes
> >
> > Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol,
> > if you have
> diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
> > glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of
> > insulin and some
> diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides (Prandin), is
> > to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you
> > should not drink
> when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
> > empty.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For More Help and Support
> >
> > To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you
> > should eat, we
> suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
> > experience working with people who have diabetes. This
> > person can help
> support your efforts to change your eating habits and
> control
> > your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian
> > near you:
> >
> > 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
> > Recognized Diabetes
> Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
> > (1-800-342-2383).
> >
> > 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at
> > 1-800-366-1655. Ask for the
> names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
> > diabetes.
> >
> > 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators, at
1-800-TEAM-UP4
> (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
> > educators in your zip code.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type - 2
> > Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15
> >
>

[Julie Bove]

"Tony Lew" <rosescripter@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5c7896da.0308100952.4bacb4cd@posting.google.com...

<snip>

> Hmmm, so they're telling you to eat a diet heavy on
> starches, then admit that starches are equivalent to table
> sugar in affecting blood glucose. This is preposterous.
> I'm starting to think the ADA is a shill for the drug
> companies; they're recommending a diet that is guaranteed
> to make diabetics need more glucophage, glipizide, etc to
> control their blood glucose.

The key here is the serving size. Take cereal for example.
For most cereals, the serving size listed is far larger than
the serving size a diabetic is allowed, even on the ADA plan.
Ditto for fruit, rice, baked beans, and plenty of other
foods. 15 g of carb is a serving on the ADA diet. 6 x 15 = 90
g of carb per day, not counting the non-starchy vegetables. I
don't think that's an overly carby diet. Now granted, I did
go to the low end of the scale for what they call healthy
eating. But you can't just pick and choose various comments
to focus on. They also say something to the effect of the
diet varying from person to person depending on height,
weight, activity etc.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Wendy Bake]

Tony Lew <rosescripter@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote
: in message news:<1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com>...
: > yes i know other research has said other ways are better
: > but after review it was not enough to change the minds of
: > the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition
: > or the American Diabetes Association.)
: >
: >
: > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
: >
: > http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid-
: > /foodpyramid.jsp
: >
: > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
: > groups. These sections vary in size. The largest group --
: > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables -- is on the
: > bottom. This means that you should eat more servings of
: > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables than of any of the
: > other foods

: <deletia>

: > Sugar and Diabetes
: >
: > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
: > table sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly
: > than do other carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta.
: > This research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2
: > diabetes.

: Another way of phrasing this would be "Other
: carbohydrates like potatoes, rice and pasta raise blood
: glucose just a quickly as sugars like table sugar". Hmmm,
: so they're telling you to eat a diet heavy on starches,
: then admit that starches are equivalent to table sugar in
: affecting blood glucose. This is preposterous. I'm
: starting to think the ADA is a shill for the drug
: companies; they're recommending a diet that is guaranteed
: to make diabetics need more glucophage, glipizide, etc to
: control their blood glucose.

I remember an article many years ago in the ADA magazine
telling of how it had been found that foods like mashed
pototes raise blood sugars just as fast as table sugar. The
article then went on to point out that you should watch eating
much mashed potatoes and other fast absorbing foods and if you
use a little plain sugar, it could be OK, but to remember that
it is empty calories, giving yu no other important nutrients,
mineral, etc.

They well my set the carb levels too high in their eararness
to avoid high fat and protein, but they are not blanket
endorsing carbo pig-outs! They are trying to reach a very
non-compliant population that thinks that only sugar is what
is to be avoided.

Wendy

[Jenny]

Steph,

If more people heard such "inflammatory" comments, maybe they
wouldn't attempt to control their diabetes with 300 gm carb
diets and thus avoid diabetic complications.

There is NO excuse for the lousy advice the ADA sends out.
They do not do significant education. They collect a lot of
money but fund very little useful research. Most of their
money is spent on so-called education (eat that low fat 300 gm
a day diet!)

The organization that does fund research is the Juvenile
Diabetes Association. The ADA is a drug-company funded
disgrace.

-- Jenny
168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001
and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
Starch Blockers Work?

"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com...
> Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
> to anyone. You might want to remember that some diabetics do
> well on the ADA recommended diet. Others do not. I'm happy
> that you have found a way of eating that works
for
> you. If you do not support the ADA, and their efforts to
> help diabetes education and research, then so be it.
> However, I think it is tacky to accuse them of "proudly
> killing people with diabetes throughout the decades." Steph
>
> "Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people
> > with diabetes throughout the decades.
> >
> > One only hopes that the people in the organization who put
> > out this
> dietary
> > advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make room
> > for some
people
> > who actually know something about controlling diabetes
> > through diet to
> come
> > into the organization.
> >
> > But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge
> > profits off of
> the
> > elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm
> > not holding my breath.
> >
> > -- Jenny
> > 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 -
> > 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
> > your need for protein * How much people really lose
each
> > month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
> > Hunger
> Cravings
> > * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible
> > Low Carb Treats
*
> > Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing
> > Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch
> > Blockers Work?
> >
> >
> > "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote
> > in message news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
> > >
> > > yes i know other research has said other ways are better
> > > but after review it was not enough to change the minds
> > > of the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied
> > > nutrition
or
> > the American Diabetes Association.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/f-
> oodpyramid.jsp
> > >
> > > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
> > > groups. These
> > sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
> > beans, and
> > > starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that
> > > you should
eat
> > more servings of grains, beans, and starchy
> > vegetables than
> > > of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats,
> > > sweets, and
> > alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you
> > to eat
> > > very few servings from these food groups.
> > >
> > > Eat servings from all the food groups other than the
> > > fats, sweets, and
> > alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
> > > on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number
> > > of servings
you
> > need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
> > > needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat.
> > > Divide the
number
> > of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
> > > eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier
> > > to remember
> what
> > to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
> > > individual needs, you should work with a registered
> > > dietitian (RD)
with
> > expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
> > > diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For
> > > More Help and
> > Support.
> > >
> > > The First Step
> > >
> > > For most people, a great first step to healthier eating
> > > habits is to
> make
> > a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
> > > fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and
> > > sweets. If
you
> > make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
> > > back. Before you make more changes, make sure you
> > > maintain the ones
you
> > have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
> > > Keep it easy to accomplish.
> > >
> > > As you continue to change your eating habits to manage
> > > your diabetes,
> the
> > diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
> > > eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
> > >
> > > a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new
> > > foods. Eating a
> > wide variety of foods, even from the same food
> > group, helps
> > > you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For
> > > example, within
the
> > fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
> > > oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
> > >
> > >
> > > b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate
> > > 30 minutes
of
> > physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
> > > stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
> > >
> > >
> > > c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables,
> > > whole grains
and
> > beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
> > > provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they
> > > provide the
> least
> > concentrated sources of calories.
> > >
> > >
> > > d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating
> > > many foods
that
> > are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
> > > fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the
> > > development of
> clogged
> > and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
> > > people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for
> > > developing heart
> > disease.
> > >
> > >
> > > e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly
> > > beans and
regular
> > soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
> > > not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories
> > > with little
or
> > no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
> > > eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
> > >
> > >
> > > f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more
> > > salt and
> sodium
> > than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
> > > processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned
> > > soups, and
> pickles.
> > To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
> > > salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed
> > > foods.
> > >
> > >
> > > g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount
> > > and drink it
with
> > food. Check with your health care professional about an
> > > amount that's safe for you. Next Step ... Learn More
> > >
> > > Starches and Diabetes
> > >
> > > Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat
> > > more whole
> > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
> > > potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
> > > because they
have
> > very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vegetables and Diabetes
> > >
> > > When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should
> > > eat at least
> > three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock
> > full of
> > > vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed
> > > fiber. The best
> > part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming up.
> > > Will fruit juice increase blood
> > glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
> > > you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood
> > > glucose might be
> higher
> > than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
> > > with meals rather than snacks?
> > >
> > > Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same
> > > risk for osteoporosis as the
> general
> > public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
> > > will provide the calcium you need without saturated
> > > fat and
cholesterol.
> > >
> > >
> > > Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and
> > > Diabetes
> > >
> > > People with diabetes have no less or more need for
> > > protein than the
> > general public. The American Diabetes Association
> > nutrition
> > > guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
> > > calories as
> protein.
> > The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
> > > grams per kilogram of body weight.
> > >
> > > Fat and Diabetes
> > >
> > > Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The
> > > total amount of
fat
> > you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
> > > goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats)
> > > and glucose
> control.
> > You need an individualized meal plan.
> > >
> > > Sugar and Diabetes
> > >
> > > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
> > > table sugar,
do
> > not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
> > > carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This
> > > research holds true
> for
> > people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
> > >
> > > Alcohol and Diabetes
> > >
> > > Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol,
> > > if you have
> > diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
> > > glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of
> > > insulin and some
> > diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides
> > (Prandin), is
> > > to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you
> > > should not
drink
> > when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
> > > empty.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For More Help and Support
> > >
> > > To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you
> > > should eat, we
> > suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
> > > experience working with people who have diabetes. This
> > > person can help
> > support your efforts to change your eating habits and
> > control
> > > your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian
> > > near you:
> > >
> > > 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
> > > Recognized
Diabetes
> > Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
> > > (1-800-342-2383).
> > >
> > > 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at
> > > 1-800-366-1655. Ask for
the
> > names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators,
> > > at
> 1-800-TEAM-UP4
> > (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
> > > educators in your zip code.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type -
> > > 2 Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Proconsul]

It's not "tacky" to post the absolute truth - the ADA
recommended diet borders on being criminal.....

I doubt anyone has had "success" with their diet. In my case,
they limited meat to one ounce per day. They loaded up carbs
to more than 100 grams per meal. I ate ONE meal as they
suggested, and even with a portion that was only about four
ounces total, my BS went up 150 points. Their response? Have
your doctor increase your meds.....!!!!!

I fired the diabetic nurses AND the near-criminal dietician
that day. On a sensible low carb regimen, by BS averages in
the 80s and 90s.

There is no "rocket science" involved in determining just how
dangerous the ADA and it's phony propaganda are.....

PC

"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com...
| Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
| to anyone. You might want to remember that some diabetics do
| well on the ADA recommended diet. Others do not. I'm happy
| that you have found a way of eating that works
for
| you. If you do not support the ADA, and their efforts to
| help diabetes education and research, then so be it.
| However, I think it is tacky to accuse them of "proudly
| killing people with diabetes throughout the decades." Steph
|
| "Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
| > The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people
| > with diabetes throughout the decades.
| >
| > One only hopes that the people in the organization who put
| > out this
| dietary
| > advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make room
| > for some
people
| > who actually know something about controlling diabetes
| > through diet to
| come
| > into the organization.
| >
| > But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge
| > profits off of
| the
| > elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm
| > not holding my breath.
| >
| > -- Jenny
| > 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 -
| > 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
| >
| > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
| > your need for protein * How much people really lose
each
| > month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
| > Hunger
| Cravings
| > * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible
| > Low Carb Treats
*
| > Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing
| > Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch
| > Blockers Work?
| >
| >
| > "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote
| > in message news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
| > >
| > > yes i know other research has said other ways are better
| > > but after review it was not enough to change the minds
| > > of the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied
| > > nutrition
or
| > the American Diabetes Association.)
| > >
| > >
| > > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
| > >
| > >
| http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/f-
| oodpyramid.jsp
| > >
| > > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
| > > groups. These
| > sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
| > beans, and
| > > starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that
| > > you should
eat
| > more servings of grains, beans, and starchy
| > vegetables than
| > > of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats,
| > > sweets, and
| > alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you
| > to eat
| > > very few servings from these food groups.
| > >
| > > Eat servings from all the food groups other than the
| > > fats, sweets, and
| > alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
| > > on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number
| > > of servings
you
| > need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
| > > needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat.
| > > Divide the
number
| > of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
| > > eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier
| > > to remember
| what
| > to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
| > > individual needs, you should work with a registered
| > > dietitian (RD)
with
| > expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
| > > diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For
| > > More Help and
| > Support.
| > >
| > > The First Step
| > >
| > > For most people, a great first step to healthier eating
| > > habits is to
| make
| > a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
| > > fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and
| > > sweets. If
you
| > make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
| > > back. Before you make more changes, make sure you
| > > maintain the ones
you
| > have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
| > > Keep it easy to accomplish.
| > >
| > > As you continue to change your eating habits to manage
| > > your diabetes,
| the
| > diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
| > > eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
| > >
| > > a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new
| > > foods. Eating a
| > wide variety of foods, even from the same food
| > group, helps
| > > you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For
| > > example, within
the
| > fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
| > > oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
| > >
| > >
| > > b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate
| > > 30 minutes
of
| > physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
| > > stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
| > >
| > >
| > > c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables,
| > > whole grains
and
| > beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
| > > provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they
| > > provide the
| least
| > concentrated sources of calories.
| > >
| > >
| > > d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating
| > > many foods
that
| > are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
| > > fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the
| > > development of
| clogged
| > and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
| > > people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for
| > > developing heart
| > disease.
| > >
| > >
| > > e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly
| > > beans and
regular
| > soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
| > > not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories
| > > with little
or
| > no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
| > > eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
| > >
| > >
| > > f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more
| > > salt and
| sodium
| > than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
| > > processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned
| > > soups, and
| pickles.
| > To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
| > > salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed
| > > foods.
| > >
| > >
| > > g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount
| > > and drink it
with
| > food. Check with your health care professional about an
| > > amount that's safe for you. Next Step ... Learn More
| > >
| > > Starches and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat
| > > more whole
| > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
| > > potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
| > > because they
have
| > very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
| > >
| > >
| > > Vegetables and Diabetes
| > >
| > > When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should
| > > eat at least
| > three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock
| > full of
| > > vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed
| > > fiber. The best
| > part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming up.
| > > Will fruit juice increase blood
| > glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
| > > you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood
| > > glucose might be
| higher
| > than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
| > > with meals rather than snacks?
| > >
| > > Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same
| > > risk for osteoporosis as the
| general
| > public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
| > > will provide the calcium you need without saturated
| > > fat and
cholesterol.
| > >
| > >
| > > Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and
| > > Diabetes
| > >
| > > People with diabetes have no less or more need for
| > > protein than the
| > general public. The American Diabetes Association
| > nutrition
| > > guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
| > > calories as
| protein.
| > The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
| > > grams per kilogram of body weight.
| > >
| > > Fat and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The
| > > total amount of
fat
| > you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
| > > goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats)
| > > and glucose
| control.
| > You need an individualized meal plan.
| > >
| > > Sugar and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like
| > > table sugar,
do
| > not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
| > > carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This
| > > research holds true
| for
| > people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
| > >
| > > Alcohol and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol,
| > > if you have
| > diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
| > > glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of
| > > insulin and some
| > diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides
| > (Prandin), is
| > > to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you
| > > should not
drink
| > when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
| > > empty.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > For More Help and Support
| > >
| > > To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you
| > > should eat, we
| > suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
| > > experience working with people who have diabetes. This
| > > person can help
| > support your efforts to change your eating habits and
| > control
| > > your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian
| > > near you:
| > >
| > > 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
| > > Recognized
Diabetes
| > Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
| > > (1-800-342-2383).
| > >
| > > 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at
| > > 1-800-366-1655. Ask for
the
| > names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
| > > diabetes.
| > >
| > > 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators,
| > > at
| 1-800-TEAM-UP4
| > (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
| > > educators in your zip code.
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type -
| > > 2 Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1 July 15
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

[Priscilla]

In article <vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com>,
"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:

> Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
> to anyone. You might want to remember that some diabetics do
> well on the ADA recommended diet.

I'll bet they have to take meds in order to accomplish
that, though.

Priscilla

[Cheri]

Yes, but the part that troubles me so much is why is the
population thinking that only sugar is what is to be avoided,
if not from bad medical advice? My first doctor had the nurse
call me to tell me to lay off concentrated sweets, that's it.
Lucky for me I found these groups soon after. I think the ADA
has a lot of good points, but I don't think the dietary advice
is very good at all. JMO

--
Cheri

Wendy Baker wrote in message ...

>
>They well my set the carb levels too high in their
>eararness to avoid
high
>fat and protein, but they are not blanket endorsing carbo
>pig-outs!
They
>are trying to reach a very non-compliant population that
>thinks that
only
>sugar is what is to be avoided.
>
> Wendy

[Blitz]

Well, as a newbie, I find that fascinating. I may have blindly
followed the ADA if not for your "inflammatory comments".
Thank you for causing me to think twice and be a little more
open minded about seeking other resources. Actually, my first
step was to go to their website. I didn't find it to be very
helpful, but rather self promoting and wanting in my wallet.
So thank you.

"Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh5rbq$8nj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> Steph,
>
> If more people heard such "inflammatory" comments, maybe
> they wouldn't attempt to control their diabetes with 300 gm
> carb diets and thus avoid diabetic complications.
>
> There is NO excuse for the lousy advice the ADA sends out.
> They do not do significant education. They collect a lot of
> money but fund very little useful research. Most of their
> money is spent on so-called education (eat that low fat 300
> gm a day diet!)
>
> The organization that does fund research is the Juvenile
> Diabetes Association. The ADA is a drug-company funded
> disgrace.
>
> -- Jenny
> 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001
> and 11/10/02 - Now
>
> http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
> your need for protein * How much people really lose each
> month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure"
> for Hunger
Cravings
> * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
> Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
> Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
> Starch Blockers Work?
>
>
> "Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com...
> > Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
> > to anyone. You
might
> > want to remember that some diabetics do well on the ADA
> > recommended
diet.
> > Others do not. I'm happy that you have found a way of
> > eating that works
> for
> > you. If you do not support the ADA, and their efforts
> > to help diabetes education and research, then so be
> > it. However, I think it is tacky to accuse them of
> > "proudly killing people with diabetes throughout the
> > decades." Steph
> >
> > "Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing
> > > people with
diabetes
> > > throughout the decades.
> > >
> > > One only hopes that the people in the organization who
> > > put out this
> > dietary
> > > advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make
> > > room for some
> people
> > > who actually know something about controlling diabetes
> > > through diet to
> > come
> > > into the organization.
> > >
> > > But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge
> > > profits off
of
> > the
> > > elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm
> > > not holding my breath.
> > >
> > > -- Jenny
> > > 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03! Low Carb 9/1998 -
> > > 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
> > > your need for protein * How much people really lose
> each
> > > month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure"
> > > for Hunger
> > Cravings
> > > * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible
> > > Low Carb
Treats
> *
> > > Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing
> > > Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
> > > Starch Blockers Work?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote in message
> > > news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
> > > >
> > > > yes i know other research has said other ways are
> > > > better but after review it was not enough to change
> > > > the minds of the USFDA ( center for food safety and
> > > > applied
nutrition
> or
> > > the American Diabetes Association.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
> > > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/nutrition/foodpyramid/foo-
dpyramid.jsp
> > > >
> > > > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food
> > > > groups. These
> > > sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains,
> > > beans, and
> > > > starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means
> > > > that you should
> eat
> > > more servings of grains, beans, and starchy vegetables
> > > than
> > > > of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats,
> > > > sweets, and
> > > alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you
> > > to eat
> > > > very few servings from these food groups.
> > > >
> > > > Eat servings from all the food groups other than the
> > > > fats, sweets,
and
> > > alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of
> > > servings
> > > > on the pyramid within each food group. The exact
> > > > number of servings
> you
> > > need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and
> > > nutrition
> > > > needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat.
> > > > Divide the
> number
> > > of servings you should eat among the meals and
> > > snacks you
> > > > eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it
> > > > easier to remember
> > what
> > > to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
> > > > individual needs, you should work with a registered
> > > > dietitian (RD)
> with
> > > expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
> > > > diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For
> > > > More Help and
> > > Support.
> > > >
> > > > The First Step
> > > >
> > > > For most people, a great first step to healthier
> > > > eating habits is to
> > make
> > > a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
> > > > fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats
> > > > and sweets. If
> you
> > > make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself
> > > on the
> > > > back. Before you make more changes, make sure you
> > > > maintain the ones
> you
> > > have made. When you are ready, decide on the next
> > > change.
> > > > Keep it easy to accomplish.
> > > >
> > > > As you continue to change your eating habits to manage
> > > > your
diabetes,
> > the
> > > diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
> > > > eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
> > > >
> > > > a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new
> > > > foods. Eating
a
> > > wide variety of foods, even from the same food group,
> > > helps
> > > > you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For
> > > > example, within
> the
> > > fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
> > > > oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > b.. Be physically active every day. Try to
> > > > accumulate 30 minutes
> of
> > > physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
> > > > stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables,
> > > > whole grains
> and
> > > beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat.
> > > They
> > > > provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet
> > > > they provide the
> > least
> > > concentrated sources of calories.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating
> > > > many foods
> that
> > > are high in fat, particularly ones with too much
> > > saturated
> > > > fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the
> > > > development of
> > clogged
> > > and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart
> > > disease and
> > > > people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for
> > > > developing
heart
> > > disease.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly
> > > > beans and
> regular
> > > soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
> > > > not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of
> > > > calories with
little
> or
> > > no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are
> > > enjoyable to
> > > > eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat
> > > > more salt and
> > sodium
> > > than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
> > > > processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned
> > > > soups, and
> > pickles.
> > > To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
> > > > salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed
> > > > foods.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount
> > > > and drink it
> with
> > > food. Check with your health care professional about an
> > > > amount that's safe for you. Next Step ... Learn More
> > > >
> > > > Starches and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to
> > > > eat more whole
> > > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas,
> > > corn,
> > > > potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you
> > > > because they
> have
> > > very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vegetables and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes
> > > > should eat at
least
> > > three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock
> > > full of
> > > > vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed
> > > > fiber. The
best
> > > part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fruit and Diabetes Questions about fruit keep coming
> > > > up. Will fruit juice increase
blood
> > > glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit?
> > > Should
> > > > you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood
> > > > glucose might be
> > higher
> > > than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat
> > > fruit
> > > > with meals rather than snacks?
> > > >
> > > > Milk and Diabetes People with diabetes are at the same
> > > > risk for osteoporosis as the
> > general
> > > public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
> > > > will provide the calcium you need without saturated
> > > > fat and
> cholesterol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.)
> > > > and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > People with diabetes have no less or more need for
> > > > protein than the
> > > general public. The American Diabetes Association
> > > nutrition
> > > > guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your
> > > > calories as
> > protein.
> > > The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
> > > > grams per kilogram of body weight.
> > > >
> > > > Fat and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The
> > > > total amount of
> fat
> > > you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
> > > > goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats)
> > > > and glucose
> > control.
> > > You need an individualized meal plan.
> > > >
> > > > Sugar and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars,
> > > > like table sugar,
> do
> > > not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
> > > > carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This
> > > > research holds
true
> > for
> > > people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
> > > >
> > > > Alcohol and Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > Beyond all the health and safety concerns about
> > > > alcohol, if you have
> > > diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower
> > > blood
> > > > glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of
> > > > insulin and
some
> > > diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides
> > > (Prandin), is
> > > > to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you
> > > > should not
> drink
> > > when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
> > > > empty.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For More Help and Support
> > > >
> > > > To find out exactly how much of what types of foods
> > > > you should eat,
we
> > > suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD)
> > > who has
> > > > experience working with people who have diabetes. This
> > > > person can
help
> > > support your efforts to change your eating habits and
> > > control
> > > > your blood glucose level. To find a registered
> > > > dietitian near you:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association
> > > > Recognized
> Diabetes
> > > Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
> > > > (1-800-342-2383).
> > > >
> > > > 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at
> > > > 1-800-366-1655. Ask for
> the
> > > names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
> > > > diabetes.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes
> > > > Educators, at
> > 1-800-TEAM-UP4
> > > (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
> > > > educators in your zip code.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.diabetes.org Shadow-Spirit 39 - Male - Type
> > > > - 2 Dx'd January 27, 2003 330lbs now 264 A1C = 5.1
> > > > July 15
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Julie Bove]

"Proconsul" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HOvZa.8077$qf.4320@lakeread06...
> It's not "tacky" to post the absolute truth - the ADA
> recommended diet borders on being criminal.....

Oh, now talk about extreme!
>
> I doubt anyone has had "success" with their diet. In my
> case, they limited meat to one ounce per day. They loaded up
> carbs to more than 100 grams per meal. I ate ONE meal as
> they suggested, and even with a portion that was only about
> four ounces total, my BS went up 150 points. Their response?
Have
> your doctor increase your meds.....!!!!!

Absoulte nonsense! Even I don't eat just one ounce of meat per
day. Now take that with a grain of salt because I'm not really
much of a meat eater. Perhaps I should substitute the word
protein for meat. I eat 6 servings (6 ounces of meat or the
equivalent) per day. If you were cut back to only 1 ounce,
then I should think you had some other medical problem to
warrant it, such as kidney problems. And when you say "their
response", are you referring to the ADA? Did you actually call
the ADA and this is what they said? Or are you referring to a
dietician?
>
> I fired the diabetic nurses AND the near-criminal dietician
> that day. On a sensible low carb regimen, by BS averages in
> the 80s and 90s.

As I have said before, there is no one diet that works for
everyone. Many people do well on the ADA diet.
>
> There is no "rocket science" involved in determining just
> how dangerous
the
> ADA and it's phony propaganda are.....

Nothing phony about it. Keep in mind that there are many
different variables to diabetes. A person who is type 1 can
likely get away with eating more carbs than we type 2's. But
there again, YMMV.Now I do have a bone to pick (minus the
meat) in that most of the information you see regarding diet
and other things is aimed at people with type 1. Several of my
Drs. have told me that most of the research that has been done
over the years has been for people with type 1.

Ah, but why am I even bothering to reply to you? You have
kill-filed me!

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Julie Bove]

"Priscilla Ballou" <phb@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:phb-58408B.14595510082003@news.verizon.net...
> In article <vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
> > to anyone. You
might
> > want to remember that some diabetics do well on the ADA
> > recommended
diet.
>
> I'll bet they have to take meds in order to accomplish
> that, though.

I am on meds now, but this wasn't always the case. I did fine
on the Exchange Plan and diet and exercise for quite awhile
until my thyroid decided to throw me for another loop. Now
it's meds, meds and more meds. And it would still be meds even
if I did the low carb.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Kurt]

Ah, Julie Bove, always the voice of reason in this tempest
tossed sea of ADA bashing. It amazes me Proconsul labels
the ADA "criminal"...maybe I'll forward the note over to
their lawyers.

Look folks, the ADA is an organization devoted to finding a
cure for what ails us all. On their board are some of the
finest doctors, endos, and diabetologists in the country. They
try to reach a very broad target with their advice and
obviously those of us here are much more diligent and
knowledgeable about searching out the best specific way to
treat ourselves. To those who are new to diabetes and seek out
the ADA for their first big step towards understanding, the
site provides some basic info. It is up to our Doctors and
ourselves to take it from there.

ASD is great place to come for support and read how others are
dealing with their diabetes. However, it shouldn't be a place
where people slander the ADA and the medical profession.

Kurt

From: "Julie Bove" jnospambove@bestweb.net

"Proconsul" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HOvZa.8077$qf.4320@lakeread06...
> It's not "tacky" to post the absolute truth - the ADA
> recommended diet borders on being criminal.....

Oh, now talk about extreme!
>
> I doubt anyone has had "success" with their diet. In my
> case, they limited meat to one ounce per day. They loaded up
> carbs to more than 100 grams per meal. I ate ONE meal as
> they suggested, and even with a portion that was only about
> four ounces total, my BS went up 150 points. Their response?
Have
> your doctor increase your meds.....!!!!!

Absoulte nonsense! Even I don't eat just one ounce of meat per
day. Now take that with a grain of salt because I'm not really
much of a meat eater. Perhaps I should substitute the word
protein for meat. I eat 6 servings (6 ounces of meat or the
equivalent) per day. If you were cut back to only 1 ounce,
then I should think you had some other medical problem to
warrant it, such as kidney problems. And when you say "their
response", are you referring to the ADA? Did you actually call
the ADA and this is what they said? Or are you referring to a
dietician?
>
> I fired the diabetic nurses AND the near-criminal dietician
> that day. On a sensible low carb regimen, by BS averages in
> the 80s and 90s.

As I have said before, there is no one diet that works for
everyone. Many people do well on the ADA diet.
>
> There is no "rocket science" involved in determining just
> how dangerous
the
> ADA and it's phony propaganda are.....

Nothing phony about it. Keep in mind that there are many
different variables to diabetes. A person who is type 1 can
likely get away with eating more carbs than we type 2's. But
there again, YMMV.Now I do have a bone to pick (minus the
meat) in that most of the information you see regarding diet
and other things is aimed at people with type 1. Several of my
Drs. have told me that most of the research that has been done
over the years has been for people with type 1.

Ah, but why am I even bothering to reply to you? You have
kill-filed me!

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Wendy Bake]

Priscilla Ballou <phb@world.std.com> wrote:
: In article <vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com>,
: "Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:

: > Jenny, These types of inflammatory comments are not useful
: > to anyone. You might want to remember that some diabetics
: > do well on the ADA recommended diet.

: I'll bet they have to take meds in order to accomplish
: that, though.

: Priscilla

I am no boster of the ADA diet, as it didn't work for me at
150-160 carb grams a day. I am having success with 60-100grams
a day and meds. I see no higher virtue in doing the control
without meds if they are necessary. Many of us on all kinds of
carb levels require meds to keep our bgs in order. It doesn't
make us less "better" than those whose diabetes is less
advanced and, therefore have sufficient effective beta cells
to not require meds with their diet and exercise.

Wendy

[Diana]

Cheri The first words my doctor said to me upon my diagnosis
is NO SWEETS and yet I can eat sweets and not spike but give
me a tater and ohh my goodness I spike over 100 points. I
learned what I know from right here in this group. I love it
even if I don't post much anymore.

Di "Cheri" <gservice@inreach.com-nogarbage> wrote in message
news:ChzZa.445$sz7.211@news.inreach.com...
> Yes, but the part that troubles me so much is why is the
> population thinking that only sugar is what is to be
> avoided, if not from bad medical advice? My first doctor had
> the nurse call me to tell me to
lay
> off concentrated sweets, that's it. Lucky for me I
> found these
groups
> soon after. I think the ADA has a lot of good points,
> but I don't
think
> the dietary advice is very good at all. JMO
>
> --
> Cheri
>
> Wendy Baker wrote in message ...
>
> >
> >They well my set the carb levels too high in their
> >eararness to
avoid
> high
> >fat and protein, but they are not blanket endorsing carbo
> >pig-outs!
> They
> >are trying to reach a very non-compliant population
> >that thinks
that
> only
> >sugar is what is to be avoided.
> >
> > Wendy

[Rk]

agreed Cheri.

my first doc told me there was no need to see a dietician,
they'd only tell me what I can't eat. not what I should. lol
not that he ever told me either.

--
RK T1 - 5/00

"Cheri" <gservice@inreach.com-nogarbage> wrote in message
news:ChzZa.445$sz7.211@news.inreach.com...
: Yes, but the part that troubles me so much is why is the
: population thinking that only sugar is what is to be
: avoided, if not from bad medical advice? My first doctor had
: the nurse call me to tell me to lay off concentrated sweets,
: that's it. Lucky for me I found these groups soon after. I
: think the ADA has a lot of good points, but I don't think
: the dietary advice is very good at all. JMO
:
: --
: Cheri
:
: Wendy Baker wrote in message ...
:
: >
: >They well my set the carb levels too high in their
: >eararness to avoid
: high
: >fat and protein, but they are not blanket endorsing carbo
: >pig-outs!
: They
: >are trying to reach a very non-compliant population that
: >thinks that
: only
: >sugar is what is to be avoided.
: >
: > Wendy
:
:

[Arnie Macy]

"Shadow-Spirit" (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator) wrote
...

LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a
dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and
paste the information you post? because everytime i see you
talk i think to my self - how can he understand the other
posts if he cant understand this. Arnie you are free to post
here but please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess.
bye the way did you read the warnings that the ADA says about
high protein diets? il be posting a link to that soon. lol
also just wondering - if i keep changing names are you always
going to keep adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing?
_____________________________________________________________-
_____________

There *are* differences between bananas, white bread, and
sugar. (a ripe banana has a yellow skin, for example :-)
However, once they are digested, they will have the exact same
effect on your BG because they all have about the same
Glycemic index. What do you think happens to the banana, piece
of white bread, or sugar once it enters your system --
nothing? As to my diet, I've maintained my weight loss (from
220 to 160) for nearly five years and have no indication of
reduced kidney function whatever. I've read the *dated*
warnings from the ADA but prefer to cite current research that
thoroughly disproves that theory.

Arnie -

[Tony Lew]

"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:<1060489806.392267@nntp.acecape.com>...
> "Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
> news:bh4gqs$uch6r$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : "Julie Bove" wrote ...
> :
> : Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a
> : small banana is considered a serving.
> : _________________________________________________________-
> : ____________
> :
> : Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic
> : index would stay the same. No different than eating a
> : slice of white bread or about 11 gms of pure sugar.
> :
> : Arnie -
> :
>
> LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
> bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a
> dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and
> paste the information you post?

Well, according the the information you posted:

"Sugar and Diabetes

Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like table
sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do
other carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This
research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2
diabetes."

So, as far as their effect on blood glucose, there isn't.

because everytime i see you talk i think to my self - how can
> he understand the other posts if he cant understand this.
> Arnie you are free to post here but please see a dietitian -
> your diet must be a mess. bye the way did you read the
> warnings that the ADA says about high protein diets? il be
> posting a link to that soon. lol also just wondering - if i
> keep changing names are you always going to keep adding the
> ADA opps i mean AKA thing? Shadow

[Arnie Macy]

"kurt" wrote ...

Look folks, the ADA is an organization devoted to finding a
cure for what ails us all. On their board are some of the
finest doctors, endos, and diabetologists in the country.
They try to reach a very broad target with their advice and
obviously those of us here are much more diligent and
knowledgeable about searching out the best specific way to
treat ourselves. To those who are new to diabetes and seek
out the ADA for their first big step towards understanding,
the site provides some basic info. It is up to our Doctors
and ourselves to take it from there. ASD is great place to
come for support and read how others are dealing with their
diabetes. However, it shouldn't be a place where people
slander the ADA and the medical profession.
_____________________________________________________________-
____________

As I have said in another post, I have spent hours pouring
over the ADA web site. IMHO, it is in need of an update to
reflect the current science and research concerning diabetes
and treatment options. Until they do that, they are doing a
disservice to this community. I don't believe it is slander to
offer an opinion concerning their [ADA] slow movement to
publish current information for us. BTW, I couldn't agree more
with your assessment of ASD as a support mechanism.

Arnie -

[Proconsul]

"kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9c6cde11.0308101259.1deeb76f@posting.google.com...
| Ah, Julie Bove, always the voice of reason in this tempest
| tossed sea of ADA bashing. It amazes me Proconsul labels the
| ADA "criminal"...maybe I'll forward the note over to their
| lawyers.

I said "borders" on being criminal - and that's certianly
accurate....

Ms. Bove certainly congributed nothing of value with her
defense of the indefensible - neither have you.....:)

| Look folks, the ADA is an organization devoted to finding a
| cure for what ails us all. On their board are some of the
| finest doctors, endos, and diabetologists in the country.
| They try to reach a very broad target with their advice and
| obviously those of us here are much more diligent and
| knowledgeable about searching out the best specific way to
| treat ourselves. To those who are new to diabetes and seek
| out the ADA for their first big step towards understanding,
| the site provides some basic info. It is up to our Doctors
| and ourselves to take it from there.

You need to learn a lot more about the ADA - they aren't
interested in finding a cure for "us", but rather fostering a
politicized agenda. Follow their advice and you'll find
yourself at best a blind multiple amputee and at worst you'll
be dead....

| ASD is great place to come for support and read how others
| are dealing with their diabetes. However, it shouldn't be a
| place where people slander the ADA and the medical
| profession.

The truth isn't "slander". Can you point out ONE word posted
that wasn't true - based on your obviously superior knowledge?

PC

| From: "Julie Bove" jnospambove@bestweb.net
|
| "Proconsul" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
| news:HOvZa.8077$qf.4320@lakeread06...
| > It's not "tacky" to post the absolute truth - the ADA
| > recommended diet borders on being criminal.....
|
| Oh, now talk about extreme!
| >
| > I doubt anyone has had "success" with their diet. In my
| > case, they
limited
| > meat to one ounce per day. They loaded up carbs to more
| > than 100 grams
per
| > meal. I ate ONE meal as they suggested, and even with a
| > portion that was only about four ounces total, my BS went
| > up 150 points. Their response?
| Have
| > your doctor increase your meds.....!!!!!
|
| Absoulte nonsense! Even I don't eat just one ounce of meat
| per day. Now take that with a grain of salt because I'm not
| really much of a meat eater. Perhaps I should substitute the
| word protein for meat. I eat 6 servings (6 ounces of meat or
| the equivalent) per day. If you were cut back to only 1
| ounce, then I should think you had some other medical
| problem to warrant it, such as kidney problems. And when you
| say "their response", are you referring to the ADA? Did you
| actually call the ADA and this is what they said? Or are you
| referring to a dietician?
| >
| > I fired the diabetic nurses AND the near-criminal
| > dietician that day. On
a
| > sensible low carb regimen, by BS averages in the 80s
| > and 90s.
|
| As I have said before, there is no one diet that works for
| everyone. Many people do well on the ADA diet.
| >
| > There is no "rocket science" involved in determining just
| > how dangerous
| the
| > ADA and it's phony propaganda are.....
|
| Nothing phony about it. Keep in mind that there are many
| different variables to diabetes. A person who is type 1 can
| likely get away with eating more carbs than we type 2's. But
| there again, YMMV.Now I do have a bone to pick (minus the
| meat) in that most of the information you see regarding diet
| and other things is aimed at people with type 1. Several of
| my Drs. have told me that most of the research that has been
| done over the years has been for people with type 1.
|
| Ah, but why am I even bothering to reply to you? You have
| kill-filed me!
|
| --
| Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Diana]

RK My doctor upon diagnosis handed me a 1200 calorie diet and
said see you in a week and that was it. The only dietitian I
saw was two years ago when I was in the hospital and I
requested one and that is how I learned about carbs is she
worked with me and showed me how to count them.

Diana "RK" <xxx@xxx.net> wrote in message
news:ytzZa.53089$hc.39910@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
>
> agreed Cheri.
>
> my first doc told me there was no need to see a dietician,
> they'd only tell me what I can't eat. not what I should. lol
> not that he
ever
> told me either.
>
> --
> RK T1 - 5/00
>
>
> "Cheri" <gservice@inreach.com-nogarbage> wrote in message
> news:ChzZa.445$sz7.211@news.inreach.com...
> : Yes, but the part that troubles me so much is why is the
population
> : thinking that only sugar is what is to be avoided, if not
> : from bad medical advice? My first doctor had the nurse
> : call me to tell me
to lay
> : off concentrated sweets, that's it. Lucky for me I
> : found these
groups
> : soon after. I think the ADA has a lot of good points, but
> : I don't
think
> : the dietary advice is very good at all. JMO
> :
> : --
> : Cheri
> :
> : Wendy Baker wrote in message ...
> :
> : >
> : >They well my set the carb levels too high in their
> : >eararness to
avoid
> : high
> : >fat and protein, but they are not blanket endorsing carbo
pig-outs!
> : They
> : >are trying to reach a very non-compliant population that
> : >thinks
that
> : only
> : >sugar is what is to be avoided.
> : >
> : > Wendy
> :
> :

[Sleepyman]

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:30:07 -0600, "Shadow-Spirit"
<mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote:

>LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
>bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a
>dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and
>paste the information you post? because everytime i see you
>talk i think to my self - how can he understand the other
>posts if he cant understand this. Arnie you are free to post
>here but please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess.
>bye the way did you read the warnings that the ADA says about
>high protein diets? il be posting a link to that soon. lol
>also just wondering - if i keep changing names are you always
>going to keep adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing? Shadow
>
Every time you post a "thought" or a link, you serve up more
proof of your ignorance.

SM

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Q. How do republicans have sex?

R. They don't. They only screw the poor.
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[Arnie Macy]

"Tony Lew" responded to Shadow Spirit (aka Sushi Boy
CheeseBurger Copulator) and wrote ...

Sushi Boy : "LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference
between bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see
a dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and
paste the information you post?"

"Well, according the information you posted: "Sugar and
Diabetes Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars,
like table sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly
than do other carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta.
This research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2
diabetes."

So, as far as their effect on blood glucose, there isn't.
_____________________________________________________________-
_______________

Thanks for the reply, Tony. Talking to Sushi Boy is like
talking to a brick wall. My only hope is that he sees
the light at some point and looks to other sources than
just the ADA.

Arnie -

[Richard Bo]

Why should he? By his accounts the ADA diet is working for him
with minimal meds, so I don't see any reason why he'd want to
consider anything else.

--
Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? http://main.diabetes-
.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh66vm$udsh4$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...

>
> Thanks for the reply, Tony. Talking to Sushi Boy is like
> talking to a
brick
> wall. My only hope is that he sees the light at some point
> and looks to other sources than just the ADA.

[Arnie Macy]

"Richard Bollar" wrote ...

Why should he? By his accounts the ADA diet is working for
him with minimal meds, so I don't see any reason why he'd
want to consider anything