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Ed Conrad
Thu, Jul-17-03, 19:16
< < < Here is a document that proves, beyond the shadow of a
doubt, that the University of California at Berkeley actively
engages in scientific hanky-panky in defense of the factless,
facetious theory of the origin of man. <Fraud, I suppose, is
the much better word.

Three specimens of petrfied bone, discovered between
anthracite veins, were sent to UofC after initial contact was
made. They were mailed to its Department of Paleontology for
testing after I was instructed to do so.. < Many week later,
when no response was forthcoming, I wrote back and requested
the results of the testing. < I was shocked, first, when I
received a terse letter from Berkeley with five words typed on
a blank sheet of 9 1/2 by 11-inch paper: <
> "Specimens Returned. No Expertise Available"
< without a name or a signature as to who had sent it. < But
NO specimens were inside the package. < When I wrote back
demanding that the specimens be returned, I received no
reply. I wrote again, with the same result. < So I then got
U.S. Postal inspectors involved. It took some time but the
end result was evidence that confirmed that the specimens
indeed had been sent -- and indeed had arrived -- at
Berkeley. The physical proof was found by a Postal Inspector
inside the main Post Office in Berkeley < In fact, it
revealed that Pat Wright of Berkeley had signed for the
specimens upon their arrival. < Armed with that knowledge, I
again wrote to Berkeley and vehemently demanded that the
specimens be returned -- or else!. < The University of
California then responded with a notarized letter, written
by Michael T. Greenwald, Museum Scientist in the Museum of
Paleontology, that the specimens had NEVER arrived, and that
I must've been mistaken about sending them. < Nice try,
Berkeley! But there's more -- a GREAT deal more. < When
forced to return the specimens -- three, not four -- the
University of California at Berkeley pulled a typical
Smithsonian Shenanigan. < None of the specimens appeared to
have been sliced, which is necessary for the preparation of
a ground section to examine the cellular structure to
determine if the specimen is or is not petrified bone. <
But, lo and behold, it was quite easy determining,
conclusively, that a slice had been cut from one of the
specimens for testing purposes. < Under water pressure from
a simple kitchen faucet, the side of one of the specimens
revealed that it was nice and shiney and indeed had been
cut. < Unquestionably, the University of California at
Berkeley examined the cellular structure and realized that,
under microscopic scrutiny, it was examining petrified bone.
< But. obviously, confirmation of petrified bone discovered
between anthracite veins could not possibly be made. On the
other hand, denial of the existence of the cellular
structure of bone could not be made either, for fear of the
consequences that might lie ahead if Berkeley was caught in
a monumental lie. < There was no alternative but to deny the
specimens had ever arrived. < Little did those know-it-all's
at the University of California -- Michael Greenwald and the
whole dishonest lot -- realize that, when a Certified
package is mailed with Return Receipt Requested, a copy of
the "Signed for" receipt (a white copy) remains at the Post
Office where it was delivered. < I might add that Michael
Greenwald is no longer employed at the University of
California at Berkeley. You see, participation in deceit,
deception, collusion and conspiracy quite often results in
promotion and higher pay. < Ed Conrad
> http://www.edconrad.com
< Man as Old as Coal <

David Sien
Thu, Jul-17-03, 19:16
edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed Conrad) wrote in message
news:<3f169e9e.55034621@news.shenhgts.net>...

> < < Here is a document that proves, beyond the shadow of a
> doubt, that the University of California at Berkeley
> actively engages in scientific hanky-panky in defense of the
> factless, facetious theory of the origin of man.

Well, Ed, you tell us that "here is a document," and then you
don't produce a document.

There's no proof here, Ed, just more of your claims.

And we know who good THOSE are, don't we?

> <Fraud, I suppose, is the much better word.
>
> Three specimens of petrfied bone, discovered between
> anthracite veins, were sent to UofC after initial contact
> was made. They were mailed to its Department of Paleontology
> for testing after I was instructed to do so..

Let me get this straight - you mailed specimens to the
Deparment of Paleontology at the University of California
campus at Berkeley?

Really?

Well, now, Ed, I admit that it's been a while since I was a
student at Berkeley, studying history and sociology as part of
my pre-law program, but I don't remember there being a
paleontology department there.

I have a nephew there now, so I've had cause to visit, and I
know there isn't a Department of Palentology there today.

When was there EVER such a department there, Ed?

> Many week later, when no response was forthcoming, I wrote
> back and requested the results of the testing.

Ed, who from the Department of Paleontology instructed you to
send spcimens? How could that have happened if there has never
been such a department at the University?

With whom did you make "initial contact?"

What specimens were sent?

What testing was to be conducted?

When did all of this happen?

> I was shocked, first, when I received a terse letter from
> Berkeley with five words typed on a blank sheet of 9 1/2 by
> 11-inch paper:
>
> > "Specimens Returned. No Expertise Available"
>
> without a name or a signature as to who had sent it.

Interesting that, with your tendency to post photographs of
correspondence, that this one is not provided.

Then again, a blank sheet with a "terse" note would prove
nothing, Ed.

> But NO specimens were inside the package.
>
> When I wrote back demanding that the specimens be returned,
> I received no reply. I wrote again, with the same result.
>
> So I then got U.S. Postal inspectors involved. It took some
> time but the end result was evidence that confirmed that the
> specimens indeed had been sent -- and indeed had arrived --
> at Berkeley. The physical proof was found by a Postal
> Inspector inside the main Post Office in Berkeley
>
> In fact, it revealed that Pat Wright of Berkeley had signed
> for the specimens upon their arrival.

And Pat Wright worked for whom, Ed?

> Armed with that knowledge, I again wrote to Berkeley
> and vehemently demanded that the specimens be returned
> -- or else!.

Or else WHAT, Ed?

> The University of California then responded with a
> notarized letter, written by Michael T. Greenwald, Museum
> Scientist in the Museum of Paleontology, that the specimens
> had NEVER arrived, and that I must've been mistaken about
> sending them.

It's interesting that you didn't produce this letter.

> Nice try, Berkeley! But there's more -- a GREAT deal more.
>
> When forced to return the specimens -- three, not four --
> the University of California at Berkeley pulled a typical
> Smithsonian Shenanigan.
>
> None of the specimens appeared to have been sliced, which is
> necessary for the preparation of a ground section to examine
> the cellular structure to determine if the specimen is or is
> not petrified bone.
>
> But, lo and behold, it was quite easy determining,
> conclusively, that a slice had been cut from one of the
> specimens for testing purposes.
>
> Under water pressure from a simple kitchen faucet, the side
> of one of the specimens revealed that it was nice and shiney
> and indeed had been cut.

Oh, my! True, scientific testing, ed, Ed?

> Unquestionably, the University of California at Berkeley
> examined the cellular structure and realized that, under
> microscopic scrutiny, it was examining petrified bone.

If that is unquestionably true, Ed, then you must have better
evidence than THIS!

Do you?

> But. obviously, confirmation of petrified bone discovered
> between anthracite veins could not possibly be made. On the
> other hand, denial of the existence of the cellular
> structure of bone could not be made either, for fear of the
> consequences that might lie ahead if Berkeley was caught in
> a monumental lie.

Ed, when you bring me the specimens for examination and
testing in answer to my challenge (you DO intend to answer my
challenge, don't you), make sure you include this specimen.

> There was no alternative but to deny the specimens had ever
> arrived.

There are several possibilities here, Ed, not the least likely
of which is that you're making all of this up.

> Little did those know-it-all's at the University of
> California -- Michael Greenwald and the whole dishonest lot
> -- realize that, when a Certified package is mailed with
> Return Receipt Requested, a copy of the "Signed for" receipt
> (a white copy) remains at the Post Office where it was
> delivered.

Let me see if I understand this correctly: When the Post
Office provides this service and YOU get your return receipt,
the POST OFFICE forever keeps copies of these things?

I suspect that this would cause quite a problem in logistics
for the Postal Service, Ed, since they deal with billions of
pieces of mail every year. But I will check on this to see if
it is true. Stay tuned.

> I might add that Michael Greenwald is no longer employed at
> the University of California at Berkeley. You see,
> participation in deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy
> quite often results in promotion and higher pay.

So you have EVIDENCE that Mr. Greenwald, whoever he was or is,
was promoted and still works within the University of
California system?

Take a look at this photo, Ed:

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/museum/ucmp_news/2003/1-03/image-
s/engdahltrk_big.jpg

These are graduate students and this photo was taken in 1979.

Greenwald is second from in the row of persons seated on the
ground and second from the right. He is now a research
scientist at the Museum of Geology at the South Dakota School
of Mines and Technology. According to his C.V., his bachelor's
degree is from Wichita State University and his master's was
issued by the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology.

He can be quite readily contacted. Would it serve any
purpose to do so?

Your problem is this, Ed: You keep posting lies and fraud and
you think no one will ever examine it. The scientists who post
in Usenet are, of course, professionals and aren't going to
waste their time with you. They, according to you, are
"pseudos," anyway, with a "vested interest," so you can easily
dismiss them.

Me? I'm just a layperson with an interest in the subject and,
being retired, I have a lot of time on my hands.

A LOT of time, Ed.

Knowing you to be a liar and a fraud (as well as a
coward), *I* will check your claims, examine each one and,
whenever it occurs, expose your lies, your fraud and your
libelous comments.

You see, Ed, the think you don't understand is this: Yes,
Usenet may have been a godsend to people like you, but in
Usenet, the only thing anyone has to determine your
credibility is the your writing.

People can dislike you, they can disagree with you, they can
blow you off; but none of those things really matter if you
have respect, anyway, and integrity and credibility.

But if you lie - even once - that does something to that
credibility. And when one lies as often as YOU have, then
nothing you say can be believed.

All we have are your words, you see.

Yours are the words of a liar and a fraud.

< snip gratuitious web site advertising >

Hold that pose, Ed. You've got a long weekend ahead of you.

---
The challenge to Ed Conrad, as yet unacknowledged:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35fa3772.0306250135.409c-
9c56%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

Quin
Thu, Jul-17-03, 19:16
I know what you mean Ed. I have sent in over 200 pounds of UFO
parts for lab analysis and they never return any of it either!

-Quin Zontar

Nigel Whit
Fri, Jul-18-03, 19:15
"Quin" <quin00@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<RLERa.10-
6527$Io.9116827@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> I know what you mean Ed. I have sent in over 200 pounds
> of UFO parts for lab analysis and they never return any
> of it either!
>
> -Quin Zontar

Perhaps Ed's samples were abducted by aliens (%^)

Pity they can't abduct his postings too.

TTFN

Nigel

Steve Haye
Sat, Jul-19-03, 06:12
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:04:14 GMT, edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed
Conrad) wrote:

>
>< < < Here is a document that proves, beyond the shadow
>of a doubt,

Ho ho ho.

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Hokey Wolf
Sun, Jul-20-03, 19:15
edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed Conrad) wrote in message
news:<3f169e9e.55034621@news.shenhgts.net>...
> < < < Here is a document that proves, beyond the shadow of
> a doubt,
. \\\\\\ \\ \
\\\\\

Looks like your shadow of a doubt is casting a shadow of it's
own. What is this shadow you may ask? The fact that you infer
a post to USENET is a "document." QED

Hope this helps.

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