Fat deposits around my hips

[sytech]

I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about 212
lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .

I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4
times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For some
strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've developed
some extra fat deposits around my upper waist despite having
addied ab work to my workouts several months ago. Pants that
fit fine last summer are now tight around my waist. I have
gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I'm sure that most of
that went to my arms and shoulders because people have pointed
out to me that I'm larger in those places.

I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was wondering
if anyone had any advice for me.

Thanks,

Sy

[Mr.Zone]

<sytech@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about 212
> lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
>
> I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4
> times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For some
> strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've developed
> some extra fat deposits around my upper waist despite having
> addied ab work to my workouts several months ago. Pants that
> fit fine last summer are now tight around my waist. I have
> gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I'm sure that most
> of that went to my arms and shoulders because people have
> pointed out to me that I'm larger in those places.
>
> I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
> wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
>
> Thanks,

Yes, I'm 38 and had the same problem as you, despite I was
running half an hour tree times a week. You're probably
producing too much insulin as a reaction to the concentrate
carbs in your diet (grains, pasta, bread, potatoes, rice).
Remember also that, as you age, your body becomes more insulin
resistant. In my opinion, the only reasonable and healthy diet
that could help you to overcome the problem is the Zone diet.
I'm on it since one year, and not only lost my love handles,
but also ten kilos, and the knee and back pains after running
are a thing of the past.

I hope it will help you too.

regards

MZ

[Steve Frei]

sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about 212
> lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
>
> I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4
> times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For some
> strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've developed
> some extra fat deposits around my upper waist despite having
> addied ab work to my workouts several months ago. Pants that
> fit fine last summer are now tight around my waist. I have
> gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I'm sure that most
> of that went to my arms and shoulders because people have
> pointed out to me that I'm larger in those places.

It's likely that you gained a bit of weight all over. 6 pounds
in your arms and shoulders would be quite a bit. Don't forget
that, all other things being equal, we all gain about 1 pound
per year of fat as we age. It's a battle we all must fight,
I'm afraid.

Personally, I think aerobic activity is what makes a lot of
people fat - it makes you carb hungry. Experiment with
tilting your program more towards resistance training by
cutting the cardio back from 50 minutes or more to 40 minutes
or less, and add a third regular weight workout each week. I
used to do tons of running, bicycling, and swimming, and I
now do less of each, lift more, and feel (and look) much
better for the change.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com

> I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
> wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sy

[Bill]

> > I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about
> > 212 lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
> >
> > I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least
> > 4 times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For
> > some strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've
> > developed some extra fat deposits around my upper waist
> > despite having addied ab work to my workouts several
> > months ago. Pants that fit fine last summer are now tight
> > around my waist. I have gained about 6 lbs. in the last
> > year but I'm sure that most of that went to my arms and
> > shoulders because people have pointed out to me that I'm
> > larger in those places.
>
> It's likely that you gained a bit of weight all over. 6
> pounds in your arms and shoulders would be quite a bit.
> Don't forget that, all other things being equal, we all gain
> about 1 pound per year of fat as we age. It's a battle we
> all must fight, I'm afraid.
>
> Personally, I think aerobic activity is what makes a lot of
> people fat - it makes you carb hungry.

I would add a puzzled caution here, though I spend about 3+
hours each week lifting at Gold's, and enjoy Steve's advice in
various groups.

To control appetite work on your diet. That alone could
eventually take off the extra. Regarding appetite control:
avoid snacks and meals with a high glycemic load, esp.
sugar, white bread, starch, etc. and add more complex
carbohydrates, esp. salads, whole grains, fresh fruit,
vegetables, and lean protein.

However, to speed this, burn as many calories as you can
during your available exercise time. Slow running burns about
140 calories per mile, about 1000+ in an hour. It also tends
to reduce appetite. Each week, you might add an extra
pleasurable trail run of an hour or more in the cool of
morning or evening, interspersed with short walking breaks if
you have the need. That will burn about 1.5 pounds per month.
Depending on your diet, you might achieve the recommended
maximum monthly weight loss of 2 pounds. You could even take
an active dog along with you to keep it relaxed.

> Experiment with tilting your program more towards
> resistance training by cutting the cardio back from 50
> minutes or more to 40 minutes or less, and add a third
> regular weight workout each week. I used to do tons of
> running, bicycling, and swimming, and I now do less of
> each, lift more, and feel (and look) much better for the
> change.
>
> -S- http://www.kbnj.com
>
> > I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
> > wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sy

[Mjuric]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:32:50 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about 212
>lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
>
>I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4
>times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For some
>strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've developed
>some extra fat deposits around my upper waist despite having
>addied ab work to my workouts several months ago. Pants that
>fit fine last summer are now tight around my waist. I have
>gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I'm sure that most
>of that went to my arms and shoulders because people have
>pointed out to me that I'm larger in those places.
>
>I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was wondering
>if anyone had any advice for me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sy

To me it quite simple. If you are gaining
fat....You're consuming to many calories. Not too many
carbs, proteins, sugars or gummy bears just too many
calories. As far as cloth fit it may be that your body
is changing shape due to the activities you are doing.
I've recently found that some of my pants are tight
around the legs, not fat but my legs are getting
larger due to considerable larger amount of time on
the bike. I would suggest a couple of things. One
would be to get a body fat analysis now and then check
it again in six months. If you think you can healthily
go to a lower body fat percentage then burn more
calories or eat fewer, simple. In my experinace
getting caught up in, eat this or eat that or do this
or do that normally doesn't work. If you follow the
one rule "eat less" and or "do more" you will lose
fat. Unless of course you have some special medical
condition as apparently 60% of my fellow Americans
claim to have.

~Matt

[Anna Haywa]

Hi, I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's
not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but the
distribution changes.

As others have said, a lower fat diet and aerobic "fat
burning" exercise should help fix this and can also help
liberate male hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat
tissue. And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
well (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to stay
slim while eating a good quantity).

Even losing the 20lbs that he's overweight (according to the
charts) should make a big difference. My DH doesn't have
hormone problems but he's naturally quite "hippy" for a man
and our low-fat diet and increased exercise of the last 6
months has made quite a dramatic difference to his appearance.
He's not being trying to lose weight because he wasn't
overweight, but he did have an unhealthy distribution of fat
over his body and poor muscle development.

Good luck and don't get too discouraged - no one is entirely
happy with their body. The important thing is to be healthy
and enjoy life.
--
Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk
(184)176/now 147.5/goal 142 (146)

Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs SWWC goal: 146 lbs

Second-Wind Weight-loss Challenge (SWWC) is at:
http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/SWWC/secondwind.htm

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[Radioactiv]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:48:55 GMT, xyz@pdq.com (MJuric) wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:32:50 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about 212
>>lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
>>
>>I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4
>>times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For some
>>strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've developed
>>some extra fat deposits around my upper waist despite having
>>addied ab work to my workouts several months ago. Pants that
>>fit fine last summer are now tight around my waist. I have
>>gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I'm sure that most
>>of that went to my arms and shoulders because people have
>>pointed out to me that I'm larger in those places.
>>
>>I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
>>wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Sy
>
> To me it quite simple. If you are gaining
> fat....You're consuming to many calories.

True, but it is not enough to say he is simply eating too many
calories. Most people just eat until they're full, unless they
have some kind of an issue with overeating as a psychological
addiction. The best cure for overweight would be to eat foods
less rich in calories, since equal caloric amounts of
different foods don't usually provide stomach filling effect.
For example, one can eat a salad with 250 calories from the
salad itself and 250 calories from the fat in the dressing.
But take away most of the fat in the dressing and the person
will not notice much difference in how full they feel
afterwards.

Much of the population in the U.S., myself included, rely on
various forms of fast food and ready-to-eat meals. Far too
many of these meals have excessive quantities of fats that
aren't really needed to achieve good taste. For example, if
you take away most of the oil in a pan pizza or ranch
dressing, you end up with a product that tastes nearly as good
as before, but with only a fraction of the calories. To me,
that is a reasonable trade-off: losing most of the excess
calores, but keeping most of the good taste. We, as consumers,
should be seeking out reasonable alternatives, such as the
hand-toss pizza and low-fat dressings.

>Not too many carbs, proteins, sugars or gummy bears just too
>many calories.

The human body needs certain proportions of each of the major
nutrients (carbs, proteins, fats, etc.) in order to function
properly. Simply eating the right amount of total calories is
not enough.

>As far as cloth fit it may be that your body is changing
>shape due to the activities you are doing. I've recently
>found that some of my pants are tight around the legs, not
>fat but my legs are getting larger due to considerable
>larger amount of time on the bike. I would suggest a couple
>of things. One would be to get a body fat analysis now and
>then check it again in six months. If you think you can
>healthily go to a lower body fat percentage then burn more
>calories or eat fewer, simple. In my experinace getting
>caught up in, eat this or eat that or do this or do that
>normally doesn't work. If you follow the one rule "eat less"
>and or "do more" you will lose fat. Unless of course you
>have some special medical condition as apparently 60% of my
>fellow Americans claim to have.
>
>~Matt

[Steve Frei]

Bill wrote:
>
> > > I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about
> > > 212 lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
> > >
> > > I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at
> > > least 4 times a week and I do weights about twice a
> > > week. For some strange reason over the last 6 months or
> > > so, I've developed some extra fat deposits around my
> > > upper waist despite having addied ab work to my workouts
> > > several months ago. Pants that fit fine last summer are
> > > now tight around my waist. I have gained about 6 lbs. in
> > > the last year but I'm sure that most of that went to my
> > > arms and shoulders because people have pointed out to me
> > > that I'm larger in those places.
> >
> > It's likely that you gained a bit of weight all over. 6
> > pounds in your arms and shoulders would be quite a bit.
> > Don't forget that, all other things being equal, we all
> > gain about 1 pound per year of fat as we age. It's a
> > battle we all must fight, I'm afraid.
> >
> > Personally, I think aerobic activity is what makes a lot
> > of people fat - it makes you carb hungry.
>
> I would add a puzzled caution here, though I spend about 3+
> hours each week lifting at Gold's, and enjoy Steve's advice
> in various groups.

Thank you for the kind words.

> To control appetite work on your diet. That alone could
> eventually take off the extra. Regarding appetite control:
> avoid snacks and meals with a high glycemic load, esp.
> sugar, white bread, starch, etc. and add more complex
> carbohydrates, esp. salads, whole grains, fresh fruit,
> vegetables, and lean protein.
>
> However, to speed this, burn as many calories as you can
> during your available exercise time. Slow running burns
> about 140 calories per mile, about 1000+ in an hour. It also
> tends to reduce appetite. Each week, you might add an extra
> pleasurable trail run of an hour or more in the cool of
> morning or evening, interspersed with short walking breaks
> if you have the need. That will burn about 1.5 pounds per
> month. Depending on your diet, you might achieve the
> recommended maximum monthly weight loss of 2 pounds. You
> could even take an active dog along with you to keep it
> relaxed.

I think you make a good point but I think it's worth exploring
a little further.

For me, too much running every day or nearly every day never
saw me get thinner, it saw me get *hungry*. I think there is a
period of time during which relatively new runners might
experience a loss of appetite and I know I usually am not
hungry right after a run, but a few hours later, stand back
and I inhale all the food stuffs I can find! A lot of this has
to do with years in the bank, I feel. Even the first few years
of running felt good to me in terms of weight loss and
appetite control, but a regular diet of 35-50 minute runs
almost every day just left me tired, with little muscle, an
even bigger appetite than I now have, and a bigger waistline.

But I have found that a long effort once a week or so is great
- I love to go out for several hours on the bicycle on the
weekends and do feel like such an effort, not done more often
than one a week, serves me well.

We're all different and our original poster ought to
experiment to see what works best for him.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com

> > Experiment with tilting your program more towards
> > resistance training by cutting the cardio back from 50
> > minutes or more to 40 minutes or less, and add a third
> > regular weight workout each week. I used to do tons of
> > running, bicycling, and swimming, and I now do less of
> > each, lift more, and feel (and look) much better for the
> > change.
> >
> > -S- http://www.kbnj.com
> >
> > > I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
> > > wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sy

[Hoff]

"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> Hi,

Hi, Anna!

As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get you
to elaborate on some things?

> I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster, but
> fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
> decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's
> not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but the
> distribution changes.
>
> As others have said, a lower fat diet

Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
overall fat distribution?

> and aerobic "fat burning" exercise

Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider
"fat burning"?

> should help fix this and can also help liberate male hormone
> that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.

Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and can
be released?

> And that should help the building of healthy muscle as well
> (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to stay slim
> while eating a good quantity).

How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what
I can eat?

Thanks in advance!

Hoff

[John Hudso]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:07:01 GMT, "Hoff"
<hoffmantt40@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
>> Hi,
>
>Hi, Anna!
>
>As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get you
>to elaborate on some things?
>
>> I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
>> but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
>> decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's
>> not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but the
>> distribution changes.
>>
>> As others have said, a lower fat diet
>
>Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
>overall fat distribution?
>
>> and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
>
>Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
>burning"?
>
>> should help fix this and can also help liberate male
>> hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
>
>Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and can
>be released?
>
>> And that should help the building of healthy muscle as well
>> (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to stay slim
>> while eating a good quantity).
>
>How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what
>I can eat?
>
>Thanks in advance!

It's like watching a cat with a mouse!

It says a lot about you Hoff, that you want to lull an
innocent, before you move in for the kill!

If you're wise Anna you'll give this cruel 'little' man a
wide berth!

>
>Hoff

[Mjuric]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:38:07 GMT, Radioactive Man
<rm@rm.rm> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:48:55 GMT, xyz@pdq.com (MJuric) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:32:50 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I am a 55 year old male who is 6'2" tall and weigh about
>>>212 lbs.. I consider myself to be in good shape .
>>>
>>>I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least
>>>4 times a week and I do weights about twice a week. For
>>>some strange reason over the last 6 months or so, I've
>>>developed some extra fat deposits around my upper waist
>>>despite having addied ab work to my workouts several months
>>>ago. Pants that fit fine last summer are now tight around
>>>my waist. I have gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but
>>>I'm sure that most of that went to my arms and shoulders
>>>because people have pointed out to me that I'm larger in
>>>those places.
>>>
>>>I realize that "spot" reducing doesn't work and was
>>>wondering if anyone had any advice for me.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Sy
>>
>> To me it quite simple. If you are gaining
>> fat....You're consuming to many calories.
>
>True, but it is not enough to say he is simply eating too
>many calories. Most people just eat until they're full,
>unless they have some kind of an issue with overeating as a
>psychological addiction. The best cure for overweight would
>be to eat foods less rich in calories, since equal caloric
>amounts of different foods don't usually provide stomach
>filling effect. For example, one can eat a salad with 250
>calories from the salad itself and 250 calories from the fat
>in the dressing. But take away most of the fat in the
>dressing and the person will not notice much difference in
>how full they feel afterwards.
>
>Much of the population in the U.S., myself included, rely on
>various forms of fast food and ready-to-eat meals. Far too
>many of these meals have excessive quantities of fats that
>aren't really needed to achieve good taste. For example, if
>you take away most of the oil in a pan pizza or ranch
>dressing, you end up with a product that tastes nearly as
>good as before, but with only a fraction of the calories. To
>me, that is a reasonable trade-off: losing most of the excess
>calores, but keeping most of the good taste. We, as
>consumers, should be seeking out reasonable alternatives,
>such as the hand-toss pizza and low-fat dressings.

Absolutely no argument for me. Just a different issue
than I was trying to address. I think many people
instead of saying "I'm gaining weight I'm consuming to
many calories" say "I'm gaining weight I must be
eating something wrong" which then, in many cases,
leads to a search for the "miracle" food or drug.
Without a doubt eating certain foods will give you a
sense of "fullness" with less calories. However eating
a candy bar and waiting for 20 minutes may also stave
off hunger and give a sense of satisfaction. I
personally think many people rely on the "I'm full"
feeling to heavily particularly those that eat fast
like myself. We can consume alot of food before or
body reacts and response with the I'm full feeling.

>
>
>>Not too many carbs, proteins, sugars or gummy bears just too
>>many calories.
>
>The human body needs certain proportions of each of the major
>nutrients (carbs, proteins, fats, etc.) in order to function
>properly. Simply eating the right amount of total calories is
>not enough.

I agree again. Just pointing out that by saying you
shoudln't have "X" food because it makes you fat is
simple false.(This point was brought up in another
post in this thread) "X" food may not satisfy you so
you may have the tendancy to eat to much of "X" food
and that makes you fat. But eating "X" food in proper
portions and caloric intake will not make you fat.

~Matt

>
>
>>As far as cloth fit it may be that your body is changing
>>shape due to the activities you are doing. I've recently
>>found that some of my pants are tight around the legs, not
>>fat but my legs are getting larger due to considerable
>>larger amount of time on the bike. I would suggest a couple
>>of things. One would be to get a body fat analysis now and
>>then check it again in six months. If you think you can
>>healthily go to a lower body fat percentage then burn more
>>calories or eat fewer, simple. In my experinace getting
>>caught up in, eat this or eat that or do this or do that
>>normally doesn't work. If you follow the one rule "eat less"
>>and or "do more" you will lose fat. Unless of course you
>>have some special medical condition as apparently 60% of my
>>fellow Americans claim to have.
>>
>>~Matt
>

[Ferd Berfe]

Hoff wrote:
>
> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi,
>
> Hi, Anna!
>
> As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> you to elaborate on some things?

I thought you were forever young.

> > I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
> > but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
> > decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause").
> > It's not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but
> > the distribution changes.
> >
> > As others have said, a lower fat diet
>
> Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
> overall fat distribution?

A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how it
works. If you have fat on your hips, which are considered
"lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all your fat is
higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet doesn't help.

> > and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
>
> Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
> burning"?

Trying to light a book of wet matches. When and if you get one
lit, hold it to your hips to burn off excess fat. I've seen
few fat-burning exercises that equal this one because of its
multi-dimensional approach.

> > should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> > hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
>
> Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and can
> be released?

It's not testosterone that's trapped in fat cells, it's the
hormone libidius. When libidius, which is directly
responsible for the libido, is released, testosterone levels
soar. Everyone knows that looking at yourself in the mirror
when you've lost fat raises your libido, and the rest follows
from there.

> > And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
> > well (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to stay
> > slim while eating a good quantity).
>
> How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what
> I can eat?

If I took a guess, I'd say, "a lot."

I hope I've shed some more light on the approach Anna is
suggesting.

Ferd "TV Star of the '60's" Berfel

> Thanks in advance!
>
> Hoff

[Mjuric]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:19:03 -0400, Ferd Berfel
<FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote:

>Hoff wrote:
>>
>> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>> message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
>> > Hi,
>>
>> Hi, Anna!
>>
>> As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
>> you to elaborate on some things?
>
>I thought you were forever young.
>
>> > I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
>> > but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
>> > decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause").
>> > It's not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but
>> > the distribution changes.
>> >
>> > As others have said, a lower fat diet
>>
>> Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
>> overall fat distribution?
>
>A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how it
>works. If you have fat on your hips, which are considered
>"lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all your fat is
>higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet doesn't help.

So let me get this right. I have terribly large toes
and a rather oversized head, the one attached to my
neck. Should I be on a low fat diet or a high fat
diet? Would I get quicker results by alternating from
high to low or just go with a medium fat diet?

~Matt

<snip

[Carol Fril]

In article <3f12002d.558185618@news.earthlink.net>, MJuric
<xyz@pdq.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:19:03 -0400, Ferd Berfel
> <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Hoff wrote:
> >>
> >> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> >> message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> >> > Hi,
> >>
> >> Hi, Anna!
> >>
> >> As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> >> you to elaborate on some things?
> >
> >I thought you were forever young.
> >
> >> > I don't know if this is relevant to the original
> >> > poster, but fat around the hips in older men can be a
> >> > symptom of decreasing testosterone (so- called "male
> >> > menopause"). It's not that it causes someone to put on
> >> > more fat, but the distribution changes.
> >> >
> >> > As others have said, a lower fat diet
> >>
> >> Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
> >> overall fat distribution?
> >
> >A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how it
> >works. If you have fat on your hips, which are considered
> >"lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all your fat is
> >higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet doesn't help.
>
> So let me get this right. I have terribly large toes and a
> rather oversized head, the one attached to my neck. Should
> I be on a low fat diet or a high fat diet? Would I get
> quicker results by alternating from high to low or just go
> with a medium fat diet?
>
> ~Matt
>
> <snip>
>
Are you on a diet of any sort yet?

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

[Anna Haywa]

Hi Hoff,
>As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get you
>to elaborate on some things?

I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit of
medical journalism and everything I've said is readily
available on the Internet.
>
>> I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
>> but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
>> decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's
>> not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but the
>> distribution changes.
>>
>> As others have said, a lower fat diet
>
>Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
>overall fat distribution?

According to Rosemary Conley, who has written numerous books
on the subject and runs diet clubs throughout Britain, there
is anecdotal evidence that aerobic exercise and a low fat diet
is particularly useful for removing weight off the hips. But
it is very difficult to eat fewer calories *without* cutting
down on fat, unless you do Atkins, which I'm not a fan of,
personally.
>
>> and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
>
>Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
>burning"?

Aerobic = "fat burning", provided you do more than 20 minutes
at a moderate level. At least, according to Rosemary Conley
and other diet experts I've read. Since the same figure keeps
coming up time and time again, I would assume it's realistic.
Plus, it makes sense physiologically speaking.

>> should help fix this and can also help liberate male
>> hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
>
>Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and can
>be released?

I believe all of the sex hormones are fat soluble, so maybe.
Or may be it simply enables the body to use what it produces
more efficiently? I think the same probably happens with
insulin, which is why there is such a thing as
obesity-related diabetes.

>> And that should help the building of healthy muscle as well
>> (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to stay slim
>> while eating a good quantity).
>
>How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what
>I can eat?

If you exercise regularly and have a good amount of muscle,
you'll burn off more calories, simple as that. Good luck!
--
Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk
(184)176/now 147.5/goal 142 (146)

Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs SWWC goal: 146 lbs

Second-Wind Weight-loss Challenge (SWWC) is at:
http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/SWWC/secondwind.htm

-------------------------------------------
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
- from the movie Strictly Ballroom
-------------------------------------------

[Anna Haywa]

David,
>Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights (MFW)
>from cross posts.

Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
considering having a look at your newsgroup because
weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality of
posters on that group I think not.

> You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where the
> regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based upon
> on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
> attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
> postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.

Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
yourself either.
>
>And, despite being "readily available on the Internet", your
>knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
>journalism"? People actually pay you to write such crap?

No, that was just an Internet version of friendly conversation
(evidently wasted on people who prefer the Internet equivalent
of playground bullying). My main professional interest is in
psychiatry and neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't
be such a dead loss after all...
--
Anna Hayward

[Lyle McDon]

Anna Hayward wrote:
>
> Hi Hoff,
> >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> >you to elaborate on some things?
>
> I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit of
> medical journalism and everything I've said is readily
> available on the Internet.
> >
> >> I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
> >> but fat around the hips in older men can be a symptom of
> >> decreasing testosterone (so- called "male menopause").
> >> It's not that it causes someone to put on more fat, but
> >> the distribution changes.
> >>
> >> As others have said, a lower fat diet
> >
> >Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
> >overall fat distribution?
>
> According to Rosemary Conley, who has written numerous books
> on the subject and runs diet clubs throughout Britain, there
> is anecdotal evidence that aerobic exercise and a low fat
> diet is particularly useful for removing weight off the
> hips. But it is very difficult to eat fewer calories
> *without* cutting down on fat, unless you do Atkins, which
> I'm not a fan of, personally.
> >
> >> and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
> >
> >Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
> >burning"?
>
> Aerobic = "fat burning", provided you do more than 20
> minutes at a moderate level. At least, according to Rosemary
> Conley and other diet experts I've read. Since the same
> figure keeps coming up time and time again, I would assume
> it's realistic. Plus, it makes sense physiologically
> speaking.
>
> >> should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> >> hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
> >
> >Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and
> >can be released?
>
> I believe all of the sex hormones are fat soluble, so maybe.
> Or may be it simply enables the body to use what it produces
> more efficiently? I think the same probably happens with
> insulin, which is why there is such a thing as
> obesity-related diabetes.
>
> >> And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
> >> well (since muscle burns calories, it's a good way to
> >> stay slim while eating a good quantity).
> >
> >How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what
> >I can eat?
>
> If you exercise regularly and have a good amount of muscle,
> you'll burn off more calories, simple as that. Good luck!

Thank you for the laugh, it cheered my day immensely. This
post has even more gross errors than what Adam wrote in the
other diet thread.

Lyle

[Carol Fril]

In article <1qalogAIOpE$MwgW@ratbag.demon.co.uk>, Anna Hayward
<Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Hoff,
> >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> >you to elaborate on some things?

fat deposits as described can also be caused by
Froelich's Syndrome.

http://yalenewhavenhealth.org/library/healthguide/IllnessCond-
itions/topi
c.asp?hwid=nord102

> Froelich's Syndrome is a rare endocrine disorder
> characterized by delayed puberty, small testes, and obesity.
> This syndrome affects mostly males. In recent years,
> Froelich's Syndrome has referred only to boys who also have
> lesions in the hypothalamic gland and exhibit the symptoms.
> Teen-age boys with this disorder must be distinguished from
> those who have inherited growth delay disorders or Prader
> Willi Syndrome.
>

--
Diva
*************
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

[Hoff]

"Ferd Berfel" <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F11DAD7.D8AC794@netscape.net...
> Hoff wrote:
> >
> > "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> > message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> > > Hi,
> >
> > Hi, Anna!
> >
> > As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> > you to
elaborate
> > on some things?
>
> I thought you were forever young.

Yes, well, in my mind I'm still about 17 or 18. Unfortunately,
there are these things called "mirrors"...

>
> > > I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
> > > but fat
around
> > > the hips in older men can be a symptom of decreasing
> > > testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's not
> > > that it causes someone to put on
more
> > > fat, but the distribution changes.
> > >
> > > As others have said, a lower fat diet
> >
> > Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
> > overall fat distribution?
>
> A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how it
> works. If you have fat on your hips, which are considered
> "lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all your fat is
> higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet doesn't help.

So High Fat for Fat higher than your hips.

Does this work in regard to protein/muscle as well? Low
protein for lower body, etc.?

>
> > > and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
> >
> > Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
> > burning"?
>
> Trying to light a book of wet matches. When and if you get
> one lit, hold it to your hips to burn off excess fat. I've
> seen few fat-burning exercises that equal this one because
> of its multi-dimensional approach.

This approach would also seem to lend itself to spot
reduction. Interesting.

>
> > > should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> > > hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
> >
> > Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and
> > can be
released?
>
> It's not testosterone that's trapped in fat cells, it's the
> hormone libidius. When libidius, which is directly
> responsible for the libido, is released, testosterone levels
> soar. Everyone knows that looking at yourself in the mirror
> when you've lost fat raises your libido, and the rest
> follows from there.

Sounds like you have some issues, here. Personally, looking at
myself in the mirror does nothing for my libido.

Perhaps you've listened one too many times to Jackson
Browne's "Rosie"?

>
> > > And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
> > > well (since muscle burns calories, it's a good
way
> > > to stay slim while eating a good quantity).
> >
> > How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in
> > what I can eat?
>
> If I took a guess, I'd say, "a lot."

Concise anwer.

>
> I hope I've shed some more light on the approach Anna is
> suggesting.

Thanks for your time.

Hoff

[David Cohe]

"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Hi Hoff,
> >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
> >get you to
elaborate
> >on some things?
>
> I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit of
> medical journalism and everything I've said is readily
> available on the Internet.

Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights (MFW)
from cross posts. You see, we have a little tradition known as
IOM, where the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month,
based upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree
of ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.

And, despite being "readily available on the Internet", your
knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
journalism"? People actually pay you to write such crap?

David
--
I we Todd did. I sofa king we Todd did.
> >
> >> I don't know if this is relevant to the original poster,
> >> but fat
around
> >> the hips in older men can be a symptom of decreasing
> >> testosterone
(so-
> >> called "male menopause"). It's not that it causes someone
> >> to put
on more
> >> fat, but the distribution changes.
> >>
> >> As others have said, a lower fat diet
> >
> >Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the
> >overall
fat
> >distribution?
>
> According to Rosemary Conley, who has written numerous books
> on the subject and runs diet clubs throughout Britain, there
> is anecdotal evidence that aerobic exercise and a low fat
> diet is particularly
useful
> for removing weight off the hips. But it is very
> difficult to eat
fewer
> calories *without* cutting down on fat, unless you do
> Atkins, which
I'm
> not a fan of, personally.
> >
> >> and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
> >
> >Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider "fat
> >burning"?
>
> Aerobic = "fat burning", provided you do more than 20
> minutes at a moderate level. At least, according to Rosemary
> Conley and other
diet
> experts I've read. Since the same figure keeps coming up
> time and
time
> again, I would assume it's realistic. Plus, it makes sense
> physiologically speaking.
>
> >> should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> >> hormone that
can
> >> get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
> >
> >Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells,
> >and can be
released?
>
> I believe all of the sex hormones are fat soluble, so
> maybe. Or may
be
> it simply enables the body to use what it produces more
> efficiently?
I
> think the same probably happens with insulin, which is why
> there is
such
> a thing as obesity-related diabetes.
>
> >> And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
> >> well (since muscle burns calories, it's a
good way
> >> to stay slim while eating a good quantity).
> >
> >How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in
> >what I can
eat?
>
> If you exercise regularly and have a good amount of
> muscle, you'll
burn
> off more calories, simple as that. Good luck!
> --
> Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk
> (184)176/now 147.5/goal 142 (146)
>
> Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs SWWC goal: 146 lbs
>
> Second-Wind Weight-loss Challenge (SWWC) is at:
> http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/SWWC/secondwind.htm
>
> -------------------------------------------
> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
> - from the movie Strictly Ballroom
> -------------------------------------------

[Lee Michae]

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WExQa.1173$Mc.116319@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > Hi Hoff,
> > >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> > >you to
> elaborate
> > >on some things?
> >
> > I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit of
> > medical journalism and everything I've said is readily
> > available on the Internet.
>
> Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights (MFW)
> from cross posts. You see, we have a little tradition known
> as IOM, where the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the
> Month, based upon on-topic posts that display an award-level
> degree of ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
> attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
> postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
> And, despite being "readily available on the Internet", your
> knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
> journalism"? People actually pay you to write such crap?
>
> David
> --
> I we Todd did. I sofa king we Todd did.

Uhh, David, what's up with the heads up??

Are you getting soft in your old age?

[Ferd Berfe]

Hoff wrote:
>
> "Ferd Berfel" <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3F11DAD7.D8AC794@netscape.net...
> > Hoff wrote:
> > >
> > > "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > > in message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> > > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Hi, Anna!
> > >
> > > As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
> > > get you to
> elaborate
> > > on some things?
> >
> > I thought you were forever young.
>
> Yes, well, in my mind I'm still about 17 or 18.
> Unfortunately, there are these things called "mirrors"...

Here, they are all broken. Don't know why that is....

> > > > I don't know if this is relevant to the original
> > > > poster, but fat
> around
> > > > the hips in older men can be a symptom of decreasing
> > > > testosterone (so- called "male menopause"). It's not
> > > > that it causes someone to put on
> more
> > > > fat, but the distribution changes.
> > > >
> > > > As others have said, a lower fat diet
> > >
> > > Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in
> > > the overall fat distribution?
> >
> > A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how
> > it works. If you have fat on your hips, which are
> > considered "lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all
> > your fat is higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet
> > doesn't help.
>
> So High Fat for Fat higher than your hips.

It all depends on what you mean by "for."

> Does this work in regard to protein/muscle as well? Low
> protein for lower body, etc.?

Again, it all depends on what you mean by "for."

> > > > and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
> > >
> > > Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider
> > > "fat burning"?
> >
> > Trying to light a book of wet matches. When and if you get
> > one lit, hold it to your hips to burn off excess fat. I've
> > seen few fat-burning exercises that equal this one because
> > of its multi-dimensional approach.
>
> This approach would also seem to lend itself to spot
> reduction. Interesting.

And they said it couldn't be done - balderdash, I say!

A good friend of ours had LipoSuction performed a month or
so ago and she couldn't be happier with the results - yet
another example of spot reduction! Reminds me of that old
cub scout song about great, big gobs of greasy, grimy
gopher guts, especially the line about the straw at the end
- but I digress.

> > > > should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> > > > hormone that can get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
> > >
> > > Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and
> > > can be
> released?
> >
> > It's not testosterone that's trapped in fat cells, it's
> > the hormone libidius. When libidius, which is directly
> > responsible for the libido, is released, testosterone
> > levels soar. Everyone knows that looking at yourself in
> > the mirror when you've lost fat raises your libido, and
> > the rest follows from there.
>
> Sounds like you have some issues, here. Personally, looking
> at myself in the mirror does nothing for my libido.

Since we have no unbroken mirrors, I wouldn't know. How did
mirrors get into this, anyway?

> Perhaps you've listened one too many times to Jackson
> Browne's "Rosie"?

"It looks like it's me and you again, tonight" - great song,
but I have a hard time playing that album in the car on family
vacations. There's Rosie, which is OK for the kids as long as
they don't know any better, but then there's that Cocaine song
- that clearly ain't just method acting they're doing there,
my friend.

> > > > And that should help the building of healthy muscle as
> > > > well (since muscle burns calories, it's a good
> way
> > > > to stay slim while eating a good quantity).
> > >
> > > How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in
> > > what I can eat?
> >
> > If I took a guess, I'd say, "a lot."
>
> Concise anwer.

When we aim, we aim to be concise.

> > I hope I've shed some more light on the approach Anna is
> > suggesting.
>
> Thanks for your time.

It's been my pleasure. BTW, can you name the TV show I was on?
Hint: 1968-1973.

-Ferd Berfel-

> Hoff

[Lyle McDon]

Carol Frilegh wrote:
>
> In article <1qalogAIOpE$MwgW@ratbag.demon.co.uk>, Anna
> Hayward <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hoff,
> > >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could get
> > >you to elaborate on some things?
>
> fat deposits as described can also be caused by Froelich's
> Syndrome.
>
> http://yalenewhavenhealth.org/library/healthguide/IllnessCo-
> nditions/topi
> c.asp?hwid=nord102
>
> > Froelich's Syndrome is a rare endocrine disorder
> > characterized by delayed puberty, small testes, and
> > obesity. This syndrome affects mostly males. In recent
> > years, Froelich's Syndrome has referred only to boys who
> > also have lesions in the hypothalamic gland and exhibit
> > the symptoms. Teen-age boys with this disorder must be
> > distinguished from those who have inherited growth delay
> > disorders or Prader Willi Syndrome.

Note use of the word 'rare'.

Lyle

[David Cohe]

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nada-spam*@comcast.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
> > "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > > Hi Hoff,
> > > >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
> > > >get you
to
> > elaborate
> > > >on some things?
> > >
> > > I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit of
> > > medical journalism and everything I've said is readily
> > > available on the Internet.
> >
> > Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> > (MFW) from cross posts. You see, we have a little
> > tradition known as IOM,
where
> > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
> > upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> > ignorance.
Hoff,
> > the wiseguy that he is, is attempting...successfully...to
> > get you
to
> > create enough postings on this topic to gain a nomination
> > for you.
> >
> > And, despite being "readily available on the
> > Internet", your
knowledge
> > of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
> > journalism"?
People
> > actually pay you to write such crap?
> >
> > David
> > --
> > I we Todd did. I sofa king we Todd did.
>
> Uhh, David, what's up with the heads up??
>
> Are you getting soft in your old age?

I'm being nice. The nice people in the doggie newsgroups yell
at me, nicely, for being not nice, so I'm trying out this nice
thing? What the goddamn motherfucking business is it of yours?
Oops, sorry. See, you made me do the not nice thing again. I
may be a hopeless case :(

David
--
"You're a fucking moron, David Cohen."---August Pamplona

[Lee Michae]

"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:I5EaMvAxwqE$MwWc@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> David,
> >Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> >(MFW) from cross posts.
>
> Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
> considering having a look at your newsgroup because
> weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality of
> posters on that group I think not.
>
> > You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
> > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
> > upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> > ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
> > attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
> > postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
> Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
> for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
> yourself either.

Ain't nobody here by us pragmatists and sensible folks.

For make nice and play nice go elsewhere.

For real stuff that works, stay here.

But that wouldn't interest you, would it?

[Hoff]

"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:I5EaMvAxwqE$MwWc@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> David,
> >Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> >(MFW) from cross posts.
>
> Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
> considering having a look at your newsgroup because
> weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality of
> posters on that group I think not.

Probably a good idea. Stick with the canned advice from
Rosemary Clooney, or whoever it was.

>
> > You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
> > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
> > upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> > ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
> > attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
> > postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
> Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
> for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
> yourself either.

See what you get for trying to be "nice", David? You just
haven't quite got it down, yet.

You need to re-read Watson's posts from the past copule of
years.

> >
> >And, despite being "readily available on the Internet",
> >your knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic.
> >"Medical journalism"? People actually pay you to write
> >such crap?
>
> No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
> conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
> Internet equivalent of playground bullying). My main
> professional interest is in psychiatry and neurology.
> Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a dead loss
> after all...

The above paragraph is perhaps the scariest thing I've read
here in quite awhile.

Hoff

[MJuric]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:11:30 -0400, Carol Frilegh
<cma@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>In article <3f12002d.558185618@news.earthlink.net>, MJuric
><xyz@pdq.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:19:03 -0400, Ferd Berfel
>> <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Hoff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> >> in message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
>> >> > Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Anna!
>> >>
>> >> As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
>> >> get you to elaborate on some things?
>> >
>> >I thought you were forever young.
>> >
>> >> > I don't know if this is relevant to the original
>> >> > poster, but fat around the hips in older men can be a
>> >> > symptom of decreasing testosterone (so- called "male
>> >> > menopause"). It's not that it causes someone to put on
>> >> > more fat, but the distribution changes.
>> >> >
>> >> > As others have said, a lower fat diet
>> >>
>> >> Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in
>> >> the overall fat distribution?
>> >
>> >A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how
>> >it works. If you have fat on your hips, which are
>> >considered "lower", then a low-fat diet works, but if all
>> >your fat is higher than your hips, then a low-fat diet
>> >doesn't help.
>>
>> So let me get this right. I have terribly large toes and a
>> rather oversized head, the one attached to my neck. Should
>> I be on a low fat diet or a high fat diet? Would I get
>> quicker results by alternating from high to low or just go
>> with a medium fat diet?
>>
>> ~Matt
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>Are you on a diet of any sort yet?

Yes! I've been on the "Zone" diet but having a hard
time targeting these problem areas.

~Matt

>
>--
>Diva
>*************
>The Best Man for the Job is a Woman

[Hoff]

"Ferd Berfel" <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F12B540.24A0306D@netscape.net...
> Hoff wrote:
> >
> > "Ferd Berfel" <FerdBerfel@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F11DAD7.D8AC794@netscape.net...
> > > Hoff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > > > in message news:zUyEnqBoaXE$MwCx@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Anna!
> > > >
> > > > As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
> > > > get you to
> > elaborate
> > > > on some things?
> > >
> > > I thought you were forever young.
> >
> > Yes, well, in my mind I'm still about 17 or 18.
> > Unfortunately, there
are
> > these things called "mirrors"...
>
> Here, they are all broken. Don't know why that is....

It's a conspiracy.

>
> > > > > I don't know if this is relevant to the original
> > > > > poster, but fat
> > around
> > > > > the hips in older men can be a symptom of decreasing
> > > > > testosterone
(so-
> > > > > called "male menopause"). It's not that it causes
> > > > > someone to put
on
> > more
> > > > > fat, but the distribution changes.
> > > > >
> > > > > As others have said, a lower fat diet
> > > >
> > > > Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in
> > > > the overall
fat
> > > > distribution?
> > >
> > > A lower fat diet helps with fat that's lower. That's how
> > > it works.
If
> > > you have fat on your hips, which are considered "lower",
> > > then a
low-fat
> > > diet works, but if all your fat is higher than your
> > > hips, then a
low-fat
> > > diet doesn't help.
> >
> > So High Fat for Fat higher than your hips.
>
> It all depends on what you mean by "for."

Well, thought I'd leave that open-ended. Let the theory
develop a little more.

>
> > Does this work in regard to protein/muscle as well? Low
> > protein for
lower
> > body, etc.?
>
> Again, it all depends on what you mean by "for."
>
> > > > > and aerobic "fat burning" exercise
> > > >
> > > > Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider
> > > > "fat burning"?
> > >
> > > Trying to light a book of wet matches. When and if you
> > > get one lit, hold it to your hips to burn off excess
> > > fat. I've seen few
fat-burning
> > > exercises that equal this one because of its
> > > multi-dimensional
approach.
> >
> > This approach would also seem to lend itself to spot
> > reduction. Interesting.
>
> And they said it couldn't be done - balderdash, I say!
>
> A good friend of ours had LipoSuction performed a month or
> so ago and she couldn't be happier with the results - yet
> another example of spot reduction! Reminds me of that old
> cub scout song about great, big gobs of greasy, grimy gopher
> guts, especially the line about the straw at the end - but I
> digress.
>
> > > > > should help fix this and can also help liberate male
> > > > > hormone that
can
> > > > > get kind of "trapped" in fat tissue.
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells,
> > > > and can be
> > released?
> > >
> > > It's not testosterone that's trapped in fat cells, it's
> > > the hormone libidius. When libidius, which is directly
> > > responsible for the
libido,
> > > is released, testosterone levels soar. Everyone knows
> > > that looking at yourself in the mirror when you've lost
> > > fat raises your libido, and
the
> > > rest follows from there.
> >
> > Sounds like you have some issues, here. Personally,
> > looking at myself
in
> > the mirror does nothing for my libido.
>
> Since we have no unbroken mirrors, I wouldn't know. How did
> mirrors get into this, anyway?
>
> > Perhaps you've listened one too many times to Jackson
> > Browne's "Rosie"?
>
> "It looks like it's me and you again, tonight" - great song,
> but I have a hard time playing that album in the car on
> family vacations. There's Rosie, which is OK for the kids as
> long as they don't know any better, but then there's that
> Cocaine song - that clearly ain't just method acting they're
> doing there, my friend.

The kid's don't bother to listen to the lyrics. It's all
"old-time" music to them.

I *did* ruin the song for my ex-mother-in-law, though.

>
> > > > > And that should help the building of healthy muscle
> > > > > as well (since muscle burns calories, it's a
good
> > way
> > > > > to stay slim while eating a good quantity).
> > > >
> > > > How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in
> > > > what I can
eat?
> > >
> > > If I took a guess, I'd say, "a lot."
> >
> > Concise anwer.
>
> When we aim, we aim to be concise.
>
> > > I hope I've shed some more light on the approach Anna is
> > > suggesting.
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
>
> It's been my pleasure. BTW, can you name the TV show I was
> on? Hint: 1968-1973.

Pshaw. How are the Farkles, anyway?

Hoff

[MJuric]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:17 +0100, Anna Hayward
<Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>David,
>>Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights (MFW)
>>from cross posts.
>
>Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
>considering having a look at your newsgroup because
>weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality of
>posters on that group I think not.

Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over
for a visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters.
Fact remains that a good portion of what you have
posted is entirely wrong and most would fall into the
realm of "dieters legend". Howevers others have
pointed this out much more harshly than I would have.
Although I would have loved to see the cat and mouse
play continue.

~Matt

>
>> You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where the
>> regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based upon
>> on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
>> ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
>> attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
>> postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
>Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
>for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
>yourself either.
>>
>>And, despite being "readily available on the Internet", your
>>knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
>>journalism"? People actually pay you to write such crap?
>
>No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
>conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
>Internet equivalent of playground bullying). My main
>professional interest is in psychiatry and neurology.
>Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a dead loss
>after all...
>--
>Anna Hayward

[David Cohe]

"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> David,
> >Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> >(MFW) from
cross
> >posts.
>
> Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
> considering having a look at your newsgroup because
> weight-training interests
me,
> but having seen the quality of posters on that group I
> think not.

True. You would not like it here. Our "quality" is not
well-synchronized.
>
> > You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
> > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
> > upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> > ignorance. Hoff, the
wiseguy
> >that he is, is attempting...successfully...to get you
> >to create
enough
> >postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
> Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
> for idiots.
You
> aren't giving a terrific account of yourself either.

I don't recall any factually incorrect idiocy that Hoff or I
posted, but, it's possible.
> >
> >And, despite being "readily available on the
> >Internet", your
knowledge
> >of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
> >journalism"?
People
> >actually pay you to write such crap?
>
> No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
> conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
> Internet equivalent of playground bullying).

I see. You prefer Internet (Usenet, actually, but let's not
start being accurate now) groups where everybody is nice and
supportive, even when posting factually incorrect nonsense. I
can understand your preference for that.

> My main professional interest is in psychiatry and
> neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a
> dead loss
after
> all...

Interesting. I actually work with many neurologists, and a
small number of psychiatrists. Oddly, all of what they say,
with regard to their chosen fields, is based upon scientific
facts, published studies, years of experience, and I never
recall them lapsing into the internet version of urban legend,
nor gross idiocy. Their patients, and their patients'
families, actually seem to prefer that approach.

David
--
"Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous"...Voltaire

[John Hudso]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:17 +0100, Anna Hayward
<Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>David,
>>Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights (MFW)
>>from cross posts.
>
>Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
>considering having a look at your newsgroup because
>weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality of
>posters on that group I think not.

You could and would learn a lot here, but it's not for the
'faint-hearted'.

>
>> You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where the
>> regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based upon
>> on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
>> ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
>> attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
>> postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>
>Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
>for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
>yourself either.

This smacks of the 'playground' tactics to which you
apparently don't subscribe.

>>
>>And, despite being "readily available on the Internet", your
>>knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
>>journalism"? People actually pay you to write such crap?
>
>No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
>conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
>Internet equivalent of playground bullying).

This is true, but you were warned and chose to disregard that
warning. Unfortunately that then makes you 'fair game' and you
must take the consequences!

> My main professional interest is in psychiatry and
> neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a
> dead loss after all...

Now this is very true; there are here a number of classic
cases for further observation and evaluation! ;o)

[Lee Michae]

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9_xQa.1186$Mc.117891@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nada-spam*@comcast.net> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
> > > "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > > > Hi Hoff,
> > > > >As I, too, am getting older, I'm wondering if I could
> > > > >get you
> to
> > > elaborate
> > > > >on some things?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not a medical expert or anything - but I do a bit
> > > > of medical journalism and everything I've said is
> > > > readily available on the Internet.
> > >
> > > Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> > > (MFW) from cross posts. You see, we have a little
> > > tradition known as IOM,
> where
> > > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month,
> > > based upon on-topic posts that display an award-level
> > > degree of ignorance.
> Hoff,
> > > the wiseguy that he is, is
> > > attempting...successfully...to get you
> to
> > > create enough postings on this topic to gain a
> > > nomination for you.
> > >
> > > And, despite being "readily available on the Internet",
> > > your
> knowledge
> > > of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
> > > journalism"?
> People
> > > actually pay you to write such crap?
> > >
> > > David
> > > --
> > > I we Todd did. I sofa king we Todd did.
> >
> > Uhh, David, what's up with the heads up??
> >
> > Are you getting soft in your old age?
>
> I'm being nice. The nice people in the doggie newsgroups
> yell at me, nicely, for being not nice, so I'm trying out
> this nice thing? What the goddamn motherfucking business is
> it of yours? Oops, sorry. See, you made me do the not nice
> thing again. I may be a hopeless case :(
>
> David
> --
> "You're a fucking moron, David Cohen."---August Pamplona
>

Ahhh, much better. That is the David we all know and love.

What do doggie ng folks know anyway??

[Art S]

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message new-
s:b8AQa.100446$Io.8656929@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > David,
> > >Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> > >(MFW) from
> cross
> > >posts.
> >
> > Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
> > considering having a look at your newsgroup because
> > weight-training interests
> me,
> > but having seen the quality of posters on that group I
> > think not.
>
> True. You would not like it here. Our "quality" is not
> well-synchronized.
> >
> > > You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
> > > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month,
> > > based upon on-topic posts that display an award-level
> > > degree of ignorance. Hoff, the
> wiseguy
> > >that he is, is attempting...successfully...to get you to
> > >create
> enough
> > >postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
> >
> > Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
> > for idiots.
> You
> > aren't giving a terrific account of yourself either.
>
> I don't recall any factually incorrect idiocy that Hoff or I
> posted, but, it's possible.
> > >
> > >And, despite being "readily available on the
> > >Internet", your
> knowledge
> > >of this topic is frighteningly moronic. "Medical
> > >journalism"?
> People
> > >actually pay you to write such crap?
> >
> > No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
> > conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
> > Internet equivalent of playground bullying).
>
> I see. You prefer Internet (Usenet, actually, but let's not
> start being accurate now) groups where everybody is nice and
> supportive, even when posting factually incorrect nonsense.
> I can understand your preference for that.
>
> > My main professional interest is in psychiatry and
> > neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a
> > dead loss
> after
> > all...
>
> Interesting. I actually work with many neurologists, and a
> small number of psychiatrists. Oddly, all of what they say,
> with regard to their chosen fields, is based upon scientific
> facts, published studies, years of experience, and I never
> recall them lapsing into the internet version of urban
> legend, nor gross idiocy. Their patients, and their
> patients' families, actually seem to prefer that approach.
>
> David

Are you trying to channel Watson?

Art

[Sydenhams]

<MJuric> wrote in message
news:3f12c519.6110740@news.choiceone.net...

> Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over for a
> visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters. Fact remains
> that a good portion of what you have posted is entirely
> wrong and most would fall into the realm of "dieters
> legend". Howevers others have pointed this out much more
> harshly than I would have. Although I would have loved to
> see the cat and mouse play continue.
>
> ~Matt

Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if you do
lose your tubby tummy.

Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do you
*really* think any girl with brains would pick one of you
no-hoper 'net losers? We come here to laugh at you, not to
admire your stuttering attempts to regain the flat stomach of
your youth.

Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
with the guys who make money so that we can spend it for them.
Hell, even they're so stupid they don't realise that they're
being taken for a ride.

Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
don't even realise how dumb you are.

Jo. <a prettier and smarter girl than you could ever
*dream* about

[Carol Fril]

In article
<b8AQa.100446$Io.8656929@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> David
> --
> "Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous"...Voltaire
>
>
Why call on Dr. Pangloss, Cunegonde and Candide, when you can
do this yourself?

[Keith Hobm]

In article <76k5hv4ddchdil3mhserjr68k13dj7r7f5@4ax.com>, John
HUDSON <jrh@linear.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:17 +0100, Anna Hayward
> <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >David,
> >>Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
> >>(MFW) from cross posts.
> >
> >Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
> >considering having a look at your newsgroup because
> >weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality
> >of posters on that group I think not.
>
> You could and would learn a lot here, but it's not for the
> 'faint-hearted'.
>
> >
> >> You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
> >> the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
> >> upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
> >> ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
> >> attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
> >> postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
> >
> >Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
> >for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
> >yourself either.
>
> This smacks of the 'playground' tactics to which you
> apparently don't subscribe.
>
> >>
> >>And, despite being "readily available on the Internet",
> >>your knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic.
> >>"Medical journalism"? People actually pay you to write
> >>such crap?
> >
> >No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
> >conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
> >Internet equivalent of playground bullying).
>
> This is true, but you were warned and chose to disregard
> that warning. Unfortunately that then makes you 'fair game'
> and you must take the consequences!
>
> > My main professional interest is in psychiatry and
> > neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a
> > dead loss after all...
>
> Now this is very true; there are here a number of classic
> cases for further observation and evaluation! ;o)

Be interesting to see how many regulars would be diagnosed as
really crazy.

And for your info on various Raiders I'm known as 'the Crazy
Canuck'. And proud of it! However that reference is more
geared toward real life events than usenet behaviour.

:^)

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

[Dr_dickie]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:31:21 GMT, "Hoff"
<hoffmantt40@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Anna Hayward" <Alienvisitor@ratbag.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:I5EaMvAxwqE$MwWc@ratbag.demon.co.uk...
>> David,
>> >Dear Anna, you may want to delete misc.fitness.weights
>> >(MFW) from cross posts.
>>
>> Will do, as soon as I've replied to this. I was actually
>> considering having a look at your newsgroup because
>> weight-training interests me, but having seen the quality
>> of posters on that group I think not.
>
>Probably a good idea. Stick with the canned advice from
>Rosemary Clooney, or whoever it was.
>
>>
>> > You see, we have a little tradition known as IOM, where
>> > the regulars vote for a monthly Idiot of the Month, based
>> > upon on-topic posts that display an award-level degree of
>> > ignorance. Hoff, the wiseguy that he is, is
>> > attempting...successfully...to get you to create enough
>> > postings on this topic to gain a nomination for you.
>>
>> Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he's looking
>> for idiots. You aren't giving a terrific account of
>> yourself either.
>
>See what you get for trying to be "nice", David? You just
>haven't quite got it down, yet.
>
>You need to re-read Watson's posts from the past copule
>of years.
>
>> >
>> >And, despite being "readily available on the Internet",
>> >your knowledge of this topic is frighteningly moronic.
>> >"Medical journalism"? People actually pay you to write
>> >such crap?
>>
>> No, that was just an Internet version of friendly
>> conversation (evidently wasted on people who prefer the
>> Internet equivalent of playground bullying). My main
>> professional interest is in psychiatry and neurology.
>> Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn't be such a dead loss
>> after all...
>
>The above paragraph is perhaps the scariest thing I've read
>here in quite awhile.
>
>Hoff
>
Naw, notice she said, "professional interest in," that
does not imply knowledge, understanding, or competence in,
just interest.
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
====================================
"Let be be finale of seem. The only emperor is the emperor of
ice-cream" Wallace Stevens-1923
=====================================

[Hard Heade]

"Hoff" wrote

> > "It looks like it's me and you again, tonight" - great
> > song, but I have a hard time playing that album in the car
> > on family vacations. There's Rosie, which is OK for the
> > kids as long as they don't know any better, but then
> > there's that Cocaine song - that clearly ain't just method
> > acting they're doing there, my friend.
>
> The kid's don't bother to listen to the lyrics. It's all
> "old-time" music to them.

I don't know about that... Fleetwood Mac is one of my
daughters favorite bands, 'Godzilla' is one of her favorite
songs, and every time we're in the car she she begs me to play
the CD with 'Guitar Man' and 'Rainy Days and Mondays'...AND
she knows the words to all of them!

-HHW-

[Keith Hobm]

In article <beujgu$94doh$1@ID-163600.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"sydenhams chorea" <sydenhams.chorea@tesco.net> wrote:

> <MJuric> wrote in message
> news:3f12c519.6110740@news.choiceone.net...
>
> > Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over for a
> > visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters. Fact remains
> > that a good portion of what you have posted is entirely
> > wrong and most would fall into the realm of "dieters
> > legend". Howevers others have pointed this out much more
> > harshly than I would have. Although I would have loved to
> > see the cat and mouse play continue.
> >
> > ~Matt
>
> Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if you
> do lose your tubby tummy.
>
> Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do
> you *really* think any girl with brains would pick one of
> you no-hoper 'net losers? We come here to laugh at you, not
> to admire your stuttering attempts to regain the flat
> stomach of your youth.
>
> Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
> of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
> with the guys who make money so that we can spend it for
> them. Hell, even they're so stupid they don't realise that
> they're being taken for a ride.
>
> Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
> don't even realise how dumb you are.
>
>
> Jo. <a prettier and smarter girl than you could ever
> *dream* about>

Interesting. I wonder how you are going to prove that?

I think it will require jpegs and PhD's at the very least. Or
are you not that pretty or that smart?

I've never known gold-digging to require much of the latter.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

[Lyle McDon]

sydenhams chorea wrote:
>
> <MJuric> wrote in message
> news:3f12c519.6110740@news.choiceone.net...
>
> > Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over for a
> > visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters. Fact remains
> > that a good portion of what you have posted is entirely
> > wrong and most would fall into the realm of "dieters
> > legend". Howevers others have pointed this out much more
> > harshly than I would have. Although I would have loved to
> > see the cat and mouse play continue.
> >
> > ~Matt
>
> Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if you
> do lose your tubby tummy.
>
> Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do
> you *really* think any girl with brains would pick one of
> you no-hoper 'net losers? We come here to laugh at you, not
> to admire your stuttering attempts to regain the flat
> stomach of your youth.
>
> Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
> of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
> with the guys who make money so that we can spend it for
> them. Hell, even they're so stupid they don't realise that
> they're being taken for a ride.
>
> Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
> don't even realise how dumb you are.

It's too bad we own everything.

Lyle

[Keith Hobm]

In article <vh5n7tikcao435@corp.supernews.com>, "Hard Headed
Woman" <HardHeadedWoman999@charter.net> wrote:

> "Hoff" wrote
>
> > > "It looks like it's me and you again, tonight" - great
> > > song, but I have a hard time playing that album in the
> > > car on family vacations. There's Rosie, which is OK for
> > > the kids as long as they don't know any better, but then
> > > there's that Cocaine song - that clearly ain't just
> > > method acting they're doing there, my friend.
> >
> > The kid's don't bother to listen to the lyrics. It's all
> > "old-time" music to them.
>
> I don't know about that... Fleetwood Mac is one of my
> daughters favorite bands, 'Godzilla' is one of her favorite
> songs, and every time we're in the car she she begs me to
> play the CD with 'Guitar Man' and 'Rainy Days and
> Mondays'...AND she knows the words to all of them!

My 16 year old son downloaded 'Smoke On The Water' and then
told me he'd found a real cool oldie by Hendrix. (The site he
downloaded it from also attributed 'American Women' by the
Guess Who to Hendrix - I mean, as if JH didn't have enough
good stuff of his own!).

So I set him straight and then handed him both my Machine Head
cd and both albums - I'd worn out one album by the time I was
19 and bought a replacement, but couldn't bear to throw out
the original. Also told him if he needed the lyrics I still
had them memorized. He was a little sheepish, but got a laugh
out of it. Said he didn't realize it was _that_ old!

My daughter also listens to my Beatles and Stones albums
quite a bit.

As far as lyrics go - I'd be more concerned about them asking
about Relax.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

[Theresa]

sydenhams chorea wrote:

> Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if you
> do lose your tubby tummy.

> Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do
> you *really* think any girl with brains would pick one of
> you no-hoper 'net losers? We come here to laugh at you, not
> to admire your stuttering attempts to regain the flat
> stomach of your youth.

What do you call someone who persuades you to despair? Evil
and cruel, sure, but there's a more specific word I'm
looking for.

Don't mind her: someone who can't admire effort and
intelligence and accomplishment probably isn't your type
anyway.

> Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
> of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
> with the guys who make money so that we can spend it for
> them. Hell, even they're so stupid they don't realize that
> they're being taken for a ride.

I remember the word for that kind of woman. And that kind
of man, too.

> Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
> don't even realize how dumb you are.

Well, yeah. ;-) Not so much dumb - guys do a lot of cool stuff
- as easily tricked. Teasing them about it makes it harder for
the rest of us, cut it out.

> Jo. <a prettier and smarter girl than you could ever
> *dream* about>

Prettier: don't surf much, do you? ;-) Smarter: Please do not
feed the bear your hand.

--
Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

[Nina]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:49:51 +0100, "sydenhams chorea"
<sydenhams.chorea@tesco.net> wrote:

><MJuric> wrote in message
>news:3f12c519.6110740@news.choiceone.net...
>
>> Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over for a
>> visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters. Fact remains
>> that a good portion of what you have posted is entirely
>> wrong and most would fall into the realm of "dieters
>> legend". Howevers others have pointed this out much more
>> harshly than I would have. Although I would have loved to
>> see the cat and mouse play continue.
>>
>> ~Matt
>
>Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if you do
>lose your tubby tummy.
>
>Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do
>you *really* think any girl with brains would pick one of you
>no-hoper 'net losers? We come here to laugh at you, not to
>admire your stuttering attempts to regain the flat stomach of
>your youth.
>
>Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
>of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
>with the guys who make money so that we can spend it for
>them. Hell, even they're so stupid they don't realise that
>they're being taken for a ride.
>
>Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
>don't even realise how dumb you are.
>
>
>Jo. <a prettier and smarter girl than you could ever
>*dream* about>

Well, I would refrain judgement from the pretty 'cause I
don't know what you look like, but if your powers of
observation relate to your relative smartness, then your
dreams ain't so big.

Then again, compared to the guys you date, you probably are a
brain surgeon.

The smart and pretty people laugh at you, but you're happy,
and that's all that really matters. Congrats!

Cheers, Nina delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

[Nina]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:37:39 +0100, "sydenhams chorea"
<sydenhams.chorea@tesco.net> wrote:

>"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@grandecomIMRETARDED.net> wrote in
>message news:3F12DBE4.A833C0EA@grandecomIMRETARDED.net...
>
>> I saw you on Jenny Jones, didn't I? It was one of those "I
>> was a teen dork, now I'm a skank." shows
>
>Unless it's been aired in the UK, I'm afraid that show -
>like so many others - will have passed me by. I try to
>spend my life doing stuff, not watching others do stuff via
>my TV screen.

Ah, the I-Have-A-Life Argument.

>Strangely, you're correct about one thing. I *was*
>particularly dorky as a teenager. Seems that God wanted to
>give me a taste of the 'ordinary folks world' before he
>elevated me to my present heights. Does it still suck down
>there, Lyle?

Now the I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I? defense.

You really are a master. One can only admire from afar.

Cheers, Nina

delicious! evil! calorie free! http://www.theslack.com

[Hard Heade]

"sydenhams chorea" wrote in message
news:beujgu$94doh$1@ID-163600.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you
> kidding? Do you
*really*
> think any girl with brains would pick one of you no-hoper
> 'net losers?
We
> come here to laugh at you, not to admire your stuttering
> attempts to
regain
> the flat stomach of your youth.
>
> Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the attention
> of some airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
> with the guys who
make
> money so that we can spend it for them. Hell, even they're
> so stupid
they
> don't realise that they're being taken for a ride.
>
> Really, being male is a mild form of mental retardation. You
> don't even realise how dumb you are.
>
>
> Jo. <a prettier and smarter girl than you could ever
> *dream* about>

Your mouth twitches when you lie. Oh...wait! It twitches all
the time, doesn't it?

-HHW-

[Robert Dor]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:35:30 GMT, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nada-spam*@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"sydenhams chorea" <sydenhams.chorea@tesco.net> wrote in
>message news:beulkg$9542e$1@ID-163600.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> "Keith Hobman" <khobman@sasktel.net> wrote in message
>> news:khobman-1407031000220001@192.168.0.2...
>>
>> > Interesting. I wonder how you are going to prove that?
>>
>> You silly little man. Why would I bother? As you have
>> neither money, sense or style (or you wouldn't be wasting
>> your life on Usenet, would
>you?)
>> you couldn't possibly interest me.
>>
>>
>> > I think it will require jpegs and PhD's at the very
>> > least. Or are you
>not
>> > that pretty or that smart?
>>
>> Smart enough to recognise a loser when I read one.
>>
>>
>> > I've never known gold-digging to require much of the
>> > latter.
>>
>> I don't have to dig. It comes running towards me on two
>> legs shouting "I'm here. Please notice me. I want to be
>> your friend"
>>
>
>So what you are saying is that you just naturally attract all
>kinds of losers??
>
>
This sort of posting style, from the chosen screen name to the
choice of insults, doesn't read like a female poster.

Not that it particularly matters.

[Sydenhams]

"Keith Hobman" <khobman@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:khobman-1407031000220001@192.168.0.2...

> Interesting. I wonder how you are going to prove that?

You silly little man. Why would I bother? As you have neither
money, sense or style (or you wouldn't be wasting your life on
Usenet, would you?) you couldn't possibly interest me.

> I think it will require jpegs and PhD's at the very least.
> Or are you not that pretty or that smart?

Smart enough to recognise a loser when I read one.

> I've never known gold-digging to require much of the latter.

I don't have to dig. It comes running towards me on two
legs shouting "I'm here. Please notice me. I want to be
your friend"

Jo.

[David Cohe]

"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@grandecomIMRETARDED.net> wrote
> sydenhams chorea wrote:
> > <MJuric> wrote
> >
> > > Strange.... I was actually thinking of coming over for a
> > > visit BECAUSE of the quality of the posters. Fact
> > > remains that a good portion of what you have posted is
> > > entirely wrong and most would
fall
> > > into the realm of "dieters legend". Howevers others have
> > > pointed
this
> > > out much more harshly than I would have. Although I
> > > would have
loved
> > > to see the cat and mouse play continue.
> > >
> > > ~Matt
> >
> > Matt, honey, give it up. You'll never have me, even if
> > you do
lose your
> > tubby tummy.
> >
> > Why don't you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do
you *really*
> > think any girl with brains would pick one of you
> > no-hoper 'net
losers? We
> > come here to laugh at you, not to admire your stuttering
> > attempts
to regain
> > the flat stomach of your youth.
> >
> > Pant and grunt all you want. All you'll get is the
> > attention of
some
> > airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are
> > with the
guys who make
> > money so that we can spend it for them. Hell, even
> > they're so
stupid they
> > don't realise that they're being taken for a ride.
> >
> > Really, being male is a mild form of mental
> > retardation. You
don't even
> > realise how dumb you are.
>
> It's too bad we own everything.

The preceding statement does not reflect the position of the
International Zionist Cabal or any of its subsidiaries, and is
meant for entertainment purposes only. Do not try this at
home. Closed course. Professional driver. Results
extraordinary. Your results will vary.

David
--
"This is the worse forum alive."- kev2112

[Hard Heade]

"Keith Hobman" <khobman@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:khobman-1407031049150001@192.168.0.2...

> So I set him straight and then handed him both my Machine
> Head cd and both albums - I'd worn out one album by the time
> I was 19 and bought a replacement, but couldn't bear to
> throw out the original. Also told him if he needed the
> lyrics I still had them memorized. He was a little sheepish,
> but got a laugh out of it. Said he didn't realize it was
> _that_ old!

Machine Head hasn't been around that long, so I'm guessing
that you mean MOTORhead? (You tell 'em, Lemmy!)

> My daughter also listens to my Beatles and Stones albums
> quite a bit.

Mine loves my Iron Maiden compilation (at age 11...I'm so
proud!), but when she starts singing along to NIN's 'Wanna
F**K You Like An Animal', I get a little nervous...

> As far as lyrics go - I'd be more concerned about them
> asking about Relax.

Relax? As in 'Don't Do It"?

-HHW-

[Sydenhams]

"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@grandecomIMRETARDED.net> wrote in
message news:3F12DBA1.B463F648@grandecomIMRETARDED.net...

> It's too bad we own everything.

What? Oh, you mean the 'stuff' you think indicates power?

No, my little friend, power comes from the ability to
manipulate, from the ability to achieve a goal. Your game
appears to be 'owning stuff'. My game is telling you what you
need to own, so I can play with it whenever I want.

Jo.

[Sydenhams]

"Theresa" <shyah@right.com> wrote in message
news:vh5pn8fm07s250@corp.supernews.com...

> What do you call someone who persuades you to despair? Evil
> and cruel,
sure,
> but there's a more specific word I'm looking for.

Jo?

> Don't mind her: someone who can't admire effo