bleeding gums...

[Mj]

Hi people,

Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know if
there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop my
gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had the
problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it even
with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made some of
my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams twice a
day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush, and use of
a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on earth shall I
try next? It's getting to be a bit of a worry...

Thanks,

MJ

[Alf Christ]

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:59:17 +0100, "MJ"
<noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
>if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
>my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
>the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem

Visit your dentist, ASAP!

[Michael Ba]

And consider CoEnzyme Q10, at or greater than 75mg/day.

Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote
in message news:39pogv894ep98epfgrmu20nhnsl6rdhr22@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:59:17 +0100, "MJ"
> <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:
>
> >Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> >if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> >my gums bleeding whenever
I
> >brush my teeth? I've never had the problem before (I'm 40),
> >and can't
seem
>
> Visit your dentist, ASAP!

[Tcomeau]

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:<IRXOa.1-
3363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> Hi people,
>
> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it
> even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made
> some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> twice a day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush,
> and use of a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on
> earth shall I try next? It's getting to be a bit of a
> worry...
>
> Thanks,
>
> MJ

How about going to a dentist and having the plaque removed
with a proper teeth-cleaning? I get mine done annually.
Haven't had bleeding gums since before I started this
annual regimen.

TC

[Wuzzy]

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:<IRXOa.1-
3363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> Hi people,
>
> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it
> even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made
> some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> twice a day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush,
> and use of a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on
> earth shall I try next? It's getting to be a bit of a
> worry...
>
> Thanks,
>
> MJ

this should go in the dentistry forum..

but, vitamin C is the only connection I could come up with..
More likely bleeding gums are a sign of poor brushing -
either poor hygiene especially no flossing+brushing.
flossing accounts for *alot* of area maybe as or more
important than brushing given were plaque usually
accumulates, but frequent brushing (soft brush, even) leads
to stronger gums. Harsh brushing can cause recession of the
gums tho so dont go that route either.. bah, but a search
through dentistry forums better..

[taurusrc]

You might try taking 1000 mg. Vitamin C daily. I started
doing that when I was around 40 and haven't had bleeding gums
since. I don't know what happened but whatever it is, I am
very grateul.

Ora

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:59:17 +0100, "MJ"
<noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>Hi people,
>
>Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
>if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
>my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
>the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of
>it even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now
>made some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2
>grams twice a day), regular brushing with an electric
>toothbrush, and use of a spray irrigator morning and
>evening. What on earth shall I try next? It's getting to be
>a bit of a worry...
>
>Thanks,
>
>MJ
>

[Marcio Wat]

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
>if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
>my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
>the problem before (I'm 40)

When was the last time you've been to the dentist? I bet it's
gengivitis or worse, periodontitis.

--
Marcio Watanabe

[Mj]

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
wrote in message news:39pogv894ep98epfgrmu20nhnsl6rdhr22
>
> Visit your dentist, ASAP!

'ASAP'`*and* an exclamation point!? You *really* think it's
this *urgent*? Serious question, Alf: I know you to be a
bright fellow and a knowledgeable poster.

Thanks.

MJ

[Michael Ba]

Sorry. Forgot to put in some citations.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-052.shtml

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-052.shtml#coen

Michael Baugh <baughfam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Mr%Oa.1773$zJ6.15@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> And consider CoEnzyme Q10, at or greater than 75mg/day.
>
> Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
> wrote in message
> news:39pogv894ep98epfgrmu20nhnsl6rdhr22@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:59:17 +0100, "MJ"
> > <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me
> > >know if there's
a
> > >*nutritional* approach that I can take to stop my gums
> > >bleeding
whenever
> I
> > >brush my teeth? I've never had the problem before (I'm
> > >40), and can't
> seem
> >
> > Visit your dentist, ASAP!
> >

[John The M]

>Subject: Re: bleeding gums... From: tunderbar@hotmail.com
>(tcomeau) Date: 7/9/03 9:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!

>"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote

>> Hi people,

>> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
>> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
>> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
>> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of
>> it even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now
>> made some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2
>> grams twice a day), regular brushing with an electric
>> toothbrush, and use of a spray irrigator morning and
>> evening. What on earth shall I try next? It's getting to be
>> a bit of a worry...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> MJ

>How about going to a dentist and having the plaque removed
>with a proper teeth-cleaning? I get mine done annually.
>Haven't had bleeding gums since before I started this
>annual regimen.

Yes, ... What do I miss more about not going to a dentist
since '91 if ain't the annual scraping of the gums?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

[Beni Kafe]

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:<IRXOa.1-
3363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> Hi people,
>
> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it
> even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made
> some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> twice a day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush,
> and use of a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on
> earth shall I try next? It's getting to be a bit of a
> worry...
>
> Thanks,
>
> MJ
The best solution to a bleeding gums is vitamin C, but you
have to take enough of it. Begin with 6 grams a day (divided
to 3 times). If after 2-3 weeks it doesn't improve, increase
the dose up to bowl tolerance and keep that at least 1-2
months.It works. Beni.

[Brad Shepp]

MJ,

This might be worth a try: after each meal, chew dental gum (
find it in the toothpast section). Follow that with a
toothpick to get out food between teeth. Also, floss your
teeth at least daily. You might also try giving up eating
foods with added sugars - esp. soda.

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:<IRXOa.1-
3363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> Hi people,
>
> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it
> even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made
> some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> twice a day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush,
> and use of a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on
> earth shall I try next? It's getting to be a bit of a
> worry...
>
> Thanks,
>
> MJ

[Hua Kul]

"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:<IRXOa.1-
3363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> Hi people,
>
> Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
> if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
> my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth? I've never had
> the problem before (I'm 40), and can't seem to get rid of it
> even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl, which has now made
> some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> twice a day), regular brushing with an electric toothbrush,
> and use of a spray irrigator morning and evening. What on
> earth shall I try next? It's getting to be a bit of a
> worry...
>
> Thanks,
>
> MJ

I can tell you what worked to stop the bleeding from my gums
when I brushed. I started rinsing my mouth with about a
teaspoon of colloidal silver (5ppm) every other or every third
day and within a couple of weeks the bleeding totally stopped.
It hasn't returned as long as I use this and one bonus is that
I no longer have bad breath. Another bonus is that I also no
longer have much plaque buildup. I believe it is because the
colloidal silver kills bacteria that cause the plaque (I
believe the plaque is not from food, but the waste material of
the bacteria). Flossing is OK as far as it goes but the cs was
much more effective and easier. Flossing only cleans out as
far as the floss will reach but cs gets all the way down to
the bone. Over a period of a year my gum pockets moved up from
6-7mm to 2-3mm and my dentist no longer thought I needed gum
surgery. Just swish it around for a minute or two and then
swallow it, it won't hurt you.

I'm pretty sure my response here will draw some scathingly
negative comments from foul-mouthed idiots, as usually
happens when the phrase "colloidal silver" appears, but I'll
bet you dollars for doughnuts that none of them has given it
a fair trial. It's your mouth, but $15 shouldn't be too much
to give it a try. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Just make sure you get the good stuff, it should be a light
golden color.

--Hua Kul

huaREMOVEkul@NOTMAIL.com

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:59:17 +0100,
"MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me know
>if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take to stop
>my gums bleeding whenever I brush my teeth?

G'day G'day MJ,

If you should happen to have gum disease as well as bleeding
gums
that is important to get rid of. Unfortunately gum disease is
one of
those odd things that correlates with about three years
shortened life
expectancy. Lots of things people worry about have less
influence.

While it may seem quite irrelevant have you recently had a
fasting blood glucose test? High levels of blood glucose can
be a predisposing factor.

The only nutritional approaches I have heard of are high daily
doses of Vit C and CoQ10.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Alf Christ]

On 9 Jul 2003 17:36:58 -0700, mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy)
wrote:

>vitamin C is the only connection I could come up with..
>More likely bleeding gums are a sign of poor brushing -
>either poor

Vit. C doesn't help with periodontitt at all, which is the
disease most probably is talked about. Antioxidants are
helping, but the most important thing is to have the
diseased gum parts removed and to use special tooth
brushes that gives more massage for the gum than ordinary
brushes. I don't know how many US citizens who get the
disease, but here it is now the most important disease,
maybe because wrong brushing techniques that harm the gum
and too often brushing with wrong brushe.

Again, see your dentist. At end, one or more of your teeth may
loose completely the connection with bone and will then fell
out. I know several that has now dentures because periodontitt
has damaged the gum. Btw. periodontitt also promote synthesis
of TNF-alpha which in turn increase glucagon release and thus
gives insuline resistance and in end converts into diabetes II
:-( Also other tooth diseases may do the same, in addition to
infections like herpes II etc. (which gave me diabetes I :-(,
together with chronic tooth root infections in almost all
teeth :-()

[Alf Christ]

On 10 Jul 2003 07:05:01 -0700, benik@elisra.com (beni
kafe) wrote:

>The best solution to a bleeding gums is vitamin C, but
>you have to

I doubt he has scorbuts :-)

[Hal]

I have bleeding gums and loose teeth The dentist wished to
take 2 out plus lots of root planing Instead I tried other
methods This works for me 5- 10 grms of Vit C a day The
result The 2 teeth have firmed up Gums now bleed very little
Deposits do not build up on my teeth as easy This makes me a
happy chap.

Dentists have their place but they seem to be crap on
nutritional issues I think I have been pre scurvy for 20
years. I also have benefits in other areas. No more lower
back pain.

My dentist just looks in my mouth, advises on dental hygene
and does the work. Nutrition? Whats that? Hal

"Hua Kul" <gmp@adres.nl> wrote in message
news:3da4c6e5.0307101021.1479e032@posting.google.com...
> "MJ" <noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote in message
news:<IRXOa.13363$4O4.1293461@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> > Hi people,
> >
> > Can anyone who knows about such things possibly let me
> > know if there's a *nutritional* approach that I can take
> > to stop my gums bleeding whenever
I
> > brush my teeth? I've never had the problem before (I'm
> > 40), and can't
seem
> > to get rid of it even with mouthwashes (incl. Corsodyl,
> > which has now
made
> > some of my teeth go black...), lots of vit C (1 or 2 grams
> > twice a day), regular brushing with an electric
> > toothbrush, and use of a spray
irrigator
> > morning and evening. What on earth shall I try next? It's
> > getting to be
a
> > bit of a worry...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > MJ
>
> I can tell you what worked to stop the bleeding from my gums
> when I brushed. I started rinsing my mouth with about a
> teaspoon of colloidal silver (5ppm) every other or every
> third day and within a couple of weeks the bleeding totally
> stopped. It hasn't returned as long as I use this and one
> bonus is that I no longer have bad breath. Another bonus is
> that I also no longer have much plaque buildup. I believe it
> is because the colloidal silver kills bacteria that cause
> the plaque (I believe the plaque is not from food, but the
> waste material of the bacteria). Flossing is OK as far as it
> goes but the cs was much more effective and easier. Flossing
> only cleans out as far as the floss will reach but cs gets
> all the way down to the bone. Over a period of a year my gum
> pockets moved up from 6-7mm to 2-3mm and my dentist no
> longer thought I needed gum surgery. Just swish it around
> for a minute or two and then swallow it, it won't hurt you.
>
> I'm pretty sure my response here will draw some scathingly
> negative comments from foul-mouthed idiots, as usually
> happens when the phrase "colloidal silver" appears, but I'll
> bet you dollars for doughnuts that none of them has given it
> a fair trial. It's your mouth, but $15 shouldn't be too much
> to give it a try. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
> Just make sure you get the good stuff, it should be a light
> golden color.
>
> --Hua Kul
>
> huaREMOVEkul@NOTMAIL.com

[Alf Christ]

On 10 Jul 2003 10:44:18 -0700, Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad
Sheppard) wrote:

>This might be worth a try: after each meal, chew dental gum (
>find it in the toothpast section). Follow that with a
>toothpick to get out food between teeth. Also, floss your
>teeth at least daily. You might also try giving up eating
>foods with added sugars - esp. soda.

There is also forming a pocket btw tooth where the bleeding
do come from. This pocket is very important to get rid of, or
at least keep clean as best as possible. A dentist will use a
scalpel to remove it. It will bleed somewhat, but very soon
it grows and everything is ok. But brushing correctly and
possibly using dental gum is very important to keep it away
in future.

[Alf Christ]

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:26:43 +0100, "MJ"
<noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>'ASAP'`*and* an exclamation point!? You *really* think it's
>this *urgent*? Serious question, Alf: I know you to be a
>bright fellow and a knowledgeable poster.

The symptoms mentioned is reason number one for loosing
teeth in Norway. Dentists can help you to hinder that,
but, the longer you wait, the less chances you have to
keep them intact.

[Alf Christ]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:09:00 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>While it may seem quite irrelevant have you recently had a
>fasting blood glucose test? High levels of blood glucose can
>be a predisposing factor.

New research may point in the opposite direction, as a result
of periodontitis. It may increase tremendously the level of
TNF-alpha, and that in turn increase level of glucagon, thus
antagonising the effect of insulin and increase blood glucose
level above 20 mmol/l :-(

[Alf Christ]

On 11 Jul 2003 00:32:32 GMT, jhgohde@wmconnect.comSnarf (John
the Man) wrote:

>Vitamin C alone cured my gum disease bleeding problems almost
>overnight.

Then it was not periodontit, but scurvy. Quite seldomly
observed today, but it could btw. people eating purely
synthetic food and pills totally lacking vit. C :-)

[Mj]

My thanks to Alf and everyone else who responded to my
question: interesting stuff!

Dentist appointment in ten days!

MJ

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
wrote in message
news:jsrrgv4u7gsgm1p86rhu3ug2m5c8fh93hp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:09:00 +1200, Quentin Grady
> <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >While it may seem quite irrelevant have you recently had a
> >fasting blood glucose test? High levels of blood glucose
> >can be a predisposing factor.
>
> New research may point in the opposite direction, as a
> result of periodontitis. It may increase tremendously the
> level of TNF-alpha, and that in turn increase level of
> glucagon, thus antagonising the effect of insulin and
> increase blood glucose level above 20 mmol/l :-(

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:49:57
+0200, Alf Christophersen
<alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:09:00 +1200, Quentin Grady
><quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>While it may seem quite irrelevant have you recently had a
>>fasting blood glucose test? High levels of blood glucose can
>>be a predisposing factor.
>
>New research may point in the opposite direction, as a result
>of periodontitis. It may increase tremendously the level of
>TNF-alpha, and that in turn increase level of glucagon, thus
>antagonising the effect of insulin and increase blood glucose
>level above 20 mmol/l :-(

G'day G'day Alf,

Thanks for mentioning that. An infection can cause blood
glucose to become elevated. This is one reason why an
official diagnosis of T2 diabetes requires two fasting blood
glucose tests over 7.0 mmol/L (= 126 mg/100ml or 126 US). A
single reading may have been elevated from infection.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Alf Christ]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:37:21 +0100, "MJ"
<noaddress@noaddress.com> wrote:

>My thanks to Alf and everyone else who responded to my
>question: interesting stuff!
>
>Dentist appointment in ten days!

Good to hear. I removed the rest of mine yesterday (not
because periodontit, but chronic root canal infections that
did repeatedly spread to sinuses and other places :-( ) So
soon I will be able to eat normally atain :-) (Using dentures
of course :-) )

[Hua Kul]

"Hal" <halx44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<beket8$q6h$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> I have bleeding gums and loose teeth The dentist wished to
> take 2 out plus lots of root planing Instead I tried other
> methods This works for me 5- 10 grms of Vit C a day The
> result The 2 teeth have firmed up Gums now bleed very little
> Deposits do not build up on my teeth as easy This makes me a
> happy chap.
>
I believe therapies that strengthen one's immune system will
all help reduce gum bleeding by helping the body destroy the
harmful bacteria. Your level of C intake should do that
nicely. Reducing blood glucose levels also helps boost the
immune system, so it may not be the reduction of sugar passing
through the mouth that reduces dental problems (as popular
wisdom has said for decades), but the reduction of blood
glucose levels that goes along with eating less sugar.

--Hua Kul

huaREMOVEkul@notREMOVEmail.com

[Alf Christ]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:38:24 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Thanks for mentioning that. An infection can cause blood
> glucose to become elevated. This is one reason why an
> official diagnosis of T2 diabetes requires two fasting blood
> glucose tests over 7.0 mmol/L (= 126 mg/100ml or 126 US). A
> single reading may have been elevated from infection.

That's what I describe, but more detailed :-) Fever in itself
don't rise, but cytokens do rise temperature and they increase
among many things the glucagon level to increase blood glucose
levels so the immune defense system has some food. It also
increase level of glutamine (and I think aspartate, but not
sure), one is used for gluconeogenesis (giving increased blood
glucose) and the other is also fuel for some special killer
cells. Other cells need fatty acids for beta-degradation, so
glucagon also increase lipase activity in adipocytes, and if
running long enough, you will be quite slim. I managed to
stimulate all of it in april (while already being diabetic,
which increases the chances of infections) so some bad
streptococcus A (haemophilic) did grow up in my sinusitis and
at the same time I had also achieved oesophagitis with candida
infection, so when I tried to eat some poorly cleaned
grapefruits, some particles of the white skin was fixed
somewhere in the oesophagus, inducing vomiting which persisted
for 4 days, combined with very high fever and partially
unconcsious, without being able to eat or drink, so when
hospitalized, I was only a skin and bone leftover :-(
(Funnily, just a few days before, some person on
rec.food.history had wished some curses on me, so I learned
that medicines aganist candida, nexium and doxocilline did
cure such curses :-) (Since my teeth roots most possibly was
the site of the infections, I have now removed the sick teeth)

[Moosh:]]

On 13 Jul 2003 06:58:07 -0700, gmp@adres.nl (Hua Kul) wrote:

>"Hal" <halx44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:<beket8$q6h$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
>> I have bleeding gums and loose teeth The dentist wished to
>> take 2 out plus lots of root planing Instead I tried other
>> methods This works for me 5- 10 grms of Vit C a day The
>> result The 2 teeth have firmed up Gums now bleed very
>> little Deposits do not build up on my teeth as easy This
>> makes me a happy chap.
>>
>I believe therapies that strengthen one's immune system will
>all help reduce gum bleeding by helping the body destroy the
>harmful bacteria. Your level of C intake should do that
>nicely. Reducing blood glucose levels also helps boost the
>immune system, so it may not be the reduction of sugar
>passing through the mouth that reduces dental problems (as
>popular wisdom has said for decades), but the reduction of
>blood glucose levels that goes along with eating less sugar.

Oh, Dear!