cholesterol question on ldl

[Rvaede]

I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
problems in my family and I am also active. I have had 3
cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have improved
each year except the LDL which remains high at 175.

1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.

2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.

3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.

I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd and
3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any advice
would be helpful.

regards Roger

[Tcomeau]

rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote in message
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> I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
> problems in my family and I am also active. I have had 3
> cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have improved
> each year except the LDL which remains high at 175.
>
> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
>
> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
>
> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
>
>
> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
> nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
> maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
> cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd and
> 3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any advice
> would be helpful.
>
> regards Roger

Read the Zone. Go on the diet. You will lose weight and your
blood work will normalize.

TC

[Hey Rocco]

Take antioxidants, omega-3 oils at night, and artichoke leaf

Rocco

> rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote in message
> news:<bd0af441.0307070839.262cf672@posting.google.com>...
> > I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
> > problems in my family and I am also active. I have had
> > 3 cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have
> > improved each year except the LDL which remains high
> > at 175.
> >
> > 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
> >
> > 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
> >
> > 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
> >
> >
> > I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
> > nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
> > maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
> > cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd
> > and 3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any
> > advice would be helpful.
> >
> > regards Roger

[Moosh:]]

On 7 Jul 2003 09:39:11 -0700, rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote:

>I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
>problems in my family and I am also active. I have had 3
>cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have improved
>each year except the LDL which remains high at 175.
>
> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
>
> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
>
> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
>
>
> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
> nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
> maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
> cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd and
> 3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any advice
> would be helpful.

Apparently, medication is the only thing that will normalise
your lipids at this stage of your life. Diet and exercise and
weight loss will likely only have an effect of a few percent.

[Moosh:]]

On 7 Jul 2003 14:03:41 -0700, tunderbar@hotmail.com
(tcomeau) wrote:

>rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote in message
>news:<bd0af441.0307070839.262cf672@posting.google.com>...
>> I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
>> problems in my family and I am also active. I have had 3
>> cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have improved
>> each year except the LDL which remains high at 175.
>>
>> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
>>
>> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
>>
>> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
>>
>>
>> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
>> nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
>> maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
>> cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd
>> and 3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any
>> advice would be helpful.
>>
>> regards Roger
>
>Read the Zone. Go on the diet. You will lose weight and your
>blood work will normalize.

Not according to an interview I heard on our public
broadcaster the other day. Cholesterol will only drop by a few
percent by adopting an ideal lifestyle. To make a significant
drop, a statin is required.

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On 7 Jul 2003 09:39:11 -0700,
rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote:

>I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
>problems in my family and I am also active. I have had 3
>cholestrol tests the past 3 years. The counts have improved
>each year except the LDL which remains high at 175.
>
> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
>
> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
>
> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
>
>
> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
> nutritionist and in 3 month take another test and then
> maybe I may have to go on medication. Can the LDL
> cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered? The 2nd and
> 3rd it remained the same and I am concerned. Any advice
> would be helpful.
>
> regards Roger

G'day G'day Roger,

You must be doing something right ... your HDL has increased
and is
approaching the normal range. Perhaps you have increased
exercise.

There are relatively few options to improve HDL so it is
important to know that you are doing something right.

Each pound lost tends to raise the HDL by 1% Now that doesn't
sound like much but it is important.

The guideline for HDL is to get it over 45.

Exercise raises HDL temporarily. Athletes who train for a
seasonal sport will have high HDL when they are training and
average HDL in the off season. Men and women differ in their
HDL response to exercise. Men get a faster response in their
first year of about 10% but seldom show further improvement.
Women take longer to get a response but over five years can
get up to a 20% improvement. Put simply for women exercise has
to be way of life and it is a rewarding way of life.

Not smoking is good news.

Smoking is known to lower HDL by about 6 mg/100ml for
women and 4
mg/100ml for men. Stopping smoking and gaining the
benefit of a 6
mh/100ml rise in HDL corresponds to an 18% reduction in
cardiac risk, ie heart attack, angioplasty or bypass.
(Garrison's research based on the Framingham
Offspring Study.)

In practice the risk is reduced even more because there are
other beneficial affects to stopping smoking. In particular it
is well known that smoking brings about the oxidation of LDL.
Oxidised LDL is the small dense nasty stuff that gets into the
artery walls. This makes the relevance of total LDL levels
somewhat suspect. One research paper I read put the risk of
the small dense LDL at twice the fluffy stuff. Only a few
dietary antioxidants are effective in preventing this
oxidation of the fats in LDL. Lycopene in tomato paste helps.

People who eat high-fat processed foods, such as commercially
prepared baked goods (cookies, muffins, donuts) or deep fried
fish take in large quantities of trans fat, a form of fat
known to dramatically reduce HDL levels. For these people
switching to mono-unsaturated fats like those found in olive,
avocado, oil can improve HDL. One way to get mono-unsaturated
oils that haven't been processed is to eat almonds, avocados,
fresh walnuts. Walnuts are surprising in that although they
contain vulnerable omega-3 PUFA they also have a high
antioxidant capacity when fresh.

If these are not sufficient then you doctor may prescribe
Niaspan, Lopid, or Tricor but that is another story.

OK, now for the LDL. Since you don't have a history of
coronary artery disease the desirable level for LDL is below
130 mg/dL.

If you had CAD or diabetes then getting LDL below 100 mg/dL
would be desirable.

The range of options open to you to lower LDL is much wider.
You might find a copy of "50 Ways to lower your cholesterol"
by Mary P McGowan and Jo McGowan Chopra in your local library.

You haven't mentioned triglycerides. Elevated triglycerides in
conjunction with low HDL are a portend of a range of metabolic
diseases in progress.

When all said and done, losing weight, keeping up the active
lifestyle and not smoking are fundamentally more important.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Steve Harr]

"Moosh:]" <buggerall@nowt.zilch> wrote in message
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> On 7 Jul 2003 14:03:41 -0700, tunderbar@hotmail.com
(tcomeau) wrote:
>
> >rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote in message
news:<bd0af441.0307070839.262cf672@posting.google.com>...
> >> I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
problems in my family
> >> and I am also active. I have had 3 cholestrol tests
the
> >> past 3 years. The counts have improved each year
except the LDL which
> >> remains high at 175.
> >>
> >> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
> >>
> >> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
> >>
> >> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
> >>
> >>
> >> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
nutritionist
> >> and in 3 month take another test and then maybe I
may have to go on
> >> medication. Can the LDL cholestrol be lowered? How
can it be lowered?
> >> The 2nd and 3rd it remained the same and I am
concerned.
> >> Any advice would be helpful.
> >>
> >> regards Roger
> >
> >Read the Zone. Go on the diet. You will lose weight and
your blood
> >work will normalize.
>
> Not according to an interview I heard on our public
broadcaster the
> other day. Cholesterol will only drop by a few percent by
adopting an
> ideal lifestyle. To make a significant drop, a statin is
required.
>

The interview is wrong. Cholesterol may drop a few % when you
*recommend* an ideal diet, to be sure. And even when people
*tell* you they follow one. But neither of these means they
actually doing it. Not only do people lie, but even in honest
people, memory for what you actually eat (automatic eating) is
notoriously bad. In metabolic ward studies you can drop total
cholesterol levels below 150 in nearly everyone on the proper
diet. That was average total cholesterol in pre-westernized
Japan, and in the Chinese Health Study, average total
cholesterol in rural semi-vegetarian Chinese eating frugally
and exercising was
125. But there is nothing strange about Chinese cholesterol
handling genetics, as shown by studies of
Chinese-Americans in the US.

Of course, I still recommend a statin for a guy like this, in
addition to diet changes. He'll never make it to the Chinese
rural diet buying out of a US supermarket, unless he's a very
rare produce-only shopper with a will of iron. A Pritikin or
Ornish type.

SBH

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On 7 Jul 2003 09:39:11 -0700,
rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote:

[snip]
> Can the LDL cholestrol be lowered? How can it be lowered?
> Any advice would be helpful.
>
> regards Roger

G'day G'day Roger,

You might be interested in what is called the Portfolio Diet.
Basically is was a composite of soluble fibre interventions.

You can find any number of references via Google and the
search string, Portfolio diet. What is interesting is that
each site tends to push their own pet product eg metamucil
or soy, as being the essential part of the diet. The whole
point of a portfolio is to collect together hoped for
winners so that any weakness is one is more than compensated
for by the strength of others. Whatever, here is the
original Pubmed abstract.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db-
=PubMed&list_uids=12489074&dopt=Abstract

or

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z68A21F35

While the diet is sometimes used a plug for a vegan diet (even
milk is replaced by soy products) the general principles
probably work even with non-vegetarian diets.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Wuzzy]

Is ldl:hdl + respective fractions a better marker of heart
events than body weight? how 'bout blood pressure.. I know
that each of these increases prediction but still..

I did a search for "cholesterol and bmi and proportional
hazards and heart" and its hard to tell maybe b'cuz
regression equations depend on how many units eg., how many
units of bmi change.. few studies publish a "standardized"
(z-score-ish) result..

thx!

[Hua Kul]

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> <excellent information snipped for brevity>

Hello Quentin. Thanks for that superb response.

--Hua Kul

huaREMOVEkul@hotREMOVEmail.com

[M. Schwart]

"Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com> wrote in
message news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...

Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed
to lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice,
couldn't that have something to do with their very low
cholesterol numbers?

How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
cholesterol?

Mel

[Brad Shepp]

Don't forget C reactive protein ( better than chol ratio),
smoking history, heredity, medical history, age, exercise
frequency,family history,diet. There are numerous "risk
assessment" tools on the web. As far as discrimination, I'd
guess CRP>BP>CHOL RATIO>BMI for a group with other factors
(age, smoking,etc) equal. Dr. Willett at Harvard says that up
to 80% of CHD may be due to "Western diet." (red meat and
potatoes, etc.) BMI is the primary predicator of diabetes of
those factors. The highest BMI cateogry has a 36 times risk
of diabetes.

mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy) wrote in message
news:<d996c21a.0307131443.572c8d3a@posting.google.com>...
> Is ldl:hdl + respective fractions a better marker of heart
> events than body weight? how 'bout blood pressure.. I know
> that each of these increases prediction but still..
>
> I did a search for "cholesterol and bmi and proportional
> hazards and heart" and its hard to tell maybe b'cuz
> regression equations depend on how many units eg., how many
> units of bmi change.. few studies publish a "standardized"
> (z-score-ish) result..
>
> thx!

[Wuzzy]

Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message
news:<b06e736a.0307140938.311234ab@posting.google.com>...
> Don't forget C reactive protein ( better than chol ratio),
> smoking history, heredity, medical history, age, exercise
> frequency,family history,diet. There are numerous "risk
> assessment" tools on the web. As far as discrimination, I'd
> guess CRP>BP>CHOL RATIO>BMI for a group with other factors
> (age, smoking,etc) equal. Dr. Willett at Harvard says that
> up to 80% of CHD may be due to "Western diet." (red meat and
> potatoes, etc.) BMI is the primary predicator of diabetes of
> those factors. The highest BMI cateogry has a 36 times risk
> of diabetes.

Have you seen the Willett lectures on the internet, one of
them is over an hour long and the other is about 20min.. I
lost the citation, I have it on cd.. They are extremely
interesting at the beginning but its like sitting in class,
mostly screen focused on the charts very few shots of
willett.. i think 5 chapters of his nut epi were also online
they are off now i think i never bothered to d-load it since i
have the book..

[Wuzzy]

interestingly enough chq out this month's
http://circ.ahajournals.org

[Brad Shepp]

Thanks, I'll check them out. I have his book, too. His advice
has really helped my lipid profile and CRP.

mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy) wrote in message
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> Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message
> news:<b06e736a.0307140938.311234ab@posting.google.com>...
> > Don't forget C reactive protein ( better than chol ratio),
> > smoking history, heredity, medical history, age, exercise
> > frequency,family history,diet. There are numerous "risk
> > assessment" tools on the web. As far as discrimination,
> > I'd guess CRP>BP>CHOL RATIO>BMI for a group with other
> > factors (age, smoking,etc) equal. Dr. Willett at Harvard
> > says that up to 80% of CHD may be due to "Western diet."
> > (red meat and potatoes, etc.) BMI is the primary
> > predicator of diabetes of those factors. The highest BMI
> > cateogry has a 36 times risk of diabetes.
>
>
> Have you seen the Willett lectures on the internet, one of
> them is over an hour long and the other is about 20min.. I
> lost the citation, I have it on cd.. They are extremely
> interesting at the beginning but its like sitting in class,
> mostly screen focused on the charts very few shots of
> willett.. i think 5 chapters of his nut epi were also online
> they are off now i think i never bothered to d-load it since
> i have the book..

[M. Schwart]

Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message
news:<b06e736a.0307150717.579892e4@posting.google.com>...
> Thanks, I'll check them out. I have his book, too. His
> advice has really helped my lipid profile and CRP.

Is that the Eat, Drink, & be Healthy?

Mel
>
> mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy) wrote in message
> news:<d996c21a.0307141634.3f93066c@posting.google.com>...
> > Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message
> > news:<b06e736a.0307140938.311234ab@posting.google.com>...
> > > Don't forget C reactive protein ( better than chol
> > > ratio), smoking history, heredity, medical history, age,
> > > exercise frequency,family history,diet. There are
> > > numerous "risk assessment" tools on the web. As far as
> > > discrimination, I'd guess CRP>BP>CHOL RATIO>BMI for a
> > > group with other factors (age, smoking,etc) equal. Dr.
> > > Willett at Harvard says that up to 80% of CHD may be due
> > > to "Western diet." (red meat and potatoes, etc.) BMI is
> > > the primary predicator of diabetes of those factors. The
> > > highest BMI cateogry has a 36 times risk of diabetes.
> >
> >
> > Have you seen the Willett lectures on the internet, one of
> > them is over an hour long and the other is about 20min.. I
> > lost the citation, I have it on cd.. They are extremely
> > interesting at the beginning but its like sitting in
> > class, mostly screen focused on the charts very few shots
> > of willett.. i think 5 chapters of his nut epi were also
> > online they are off now i think i never bothered to d-load
> > it since i have the book..

[Brad Shepp]

Yes - great book. Also see his article in SciAm

august2@ptd.net (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message
> news:<b06e736a.0307150717.579892e4@posting.google.com>...
> > Thanks, I'll check them out. I have his book, too. His
> > advice has really helped my lipid profile and CRP.
>
> Is that the Eat, Drink, & be Healthy?
>
> Mel
> >
> > mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy) wrote in message
> > news:<d996c21a.0307141634.3f93066c@posting.google.com>...
> > > Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in
> > > message news:<b06e736a.0307140938.311234ab@posting.goog-
> > > le.com>...
> > > > Don't forget C reactive protein ( better than chol
> > > > ratio), smoking history, heredity, medical history,
> > > > age, exercise frequency,family history,diet. There are
> > > > numerous "risk assessment" tools on the web. As far as
> > > > discrimination, I'd guess CRP>BP>CHOL RATIO>BMI for a
> > > > group with other factors (age, smoking,etc) equal. Dr.
> > > > Willett at Harvard says that up to 80% of CHD may be
> > > > due to "Western diet." (red meat and potatoes, etc.)
> > > > BMI is the primary predicator of diabetes of those
> > > > factors. The highest BMI cateogry has a 36 times risk
> > > > of diabetes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you seen the Willett lectures on the internet, one
> > > of them is over an hour long and the other is about
> > > 20min.. I lost the citation, I have it on cd.. They are
> > > extremely interesting at the beginning but its like
> > > sitting in class, mostly screen focused on the charts
> > > very few shots of willett.. i think 5 chapters of his
> > > nut epi were also online they are off now i think i
> > > never bothered to d-load it since i have the book..

[Moosh:]]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:08:19 -0700, "Steve Harris"
<sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com> wrote:

>
>"Moosh:]" <buggerall@nowt.zilch> wrote in message
>news:rd0vgvcqprk2cgs5h987jrq1fh3bi163pe@4ax.com...
>> On 7 Jul 2003 14:03:41 -0700, tunderbar@hotmail.com
>(tcomeau) wrote:
>>
>> >rogv24@yahoo.com (rvaede) wrote in message
>news:<bd0af441.0307070839.262cf672@posting.google.com>...
>> >> I am 50 and overweight, do not smoke, no heart history
>problems in my family
>> >> and I am also active. I have had 3 cholestrol tests
>the
>> >> past 3 years. The counts have improved each year
>except the LDL which
>> >> remains high at 175.
>> >>
>> >> 1st time - 276 total, hdl 35 , ldl 216.
>> >>
>> >> 2nd time - 241 total, hdl 31 , ldl 175.
>> >>
>> >> 3rd time - 234 total, hdl 41 , ldl 176.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I do eat fatty food. My doctor said I should see a
>nutritionist
>> >> and in 3 month take another test and then maybe I
>may have to go on
>> >> medication. Can the LDL cholestrol be lowered? How
>can it be lowered?
>> >> The 2nd and 3rd it remained the same and I am
>concerned.
>> >> Any advice would be helpful.
>> >>
>> >> regards Roger
>> >
>> >Read the Zone. Go on the diet. You will lose weight and
>your blood
>> >work will normalize.
>>
>> Not according to an interview I heard on our public
>broadcaster the
>> other day. Cholesterol will only drop by a few percent by
>adopting an
>> ideal lifestyle. To make a significant drop, a statin is
>required.
>>
>
>
>
>The interview is wrong. Cholesterol may drop a few % when you
>*recommend* an ideal diet, to be sure. And even when people
>*tell* you they follow one. But neither of these means they
>actually doing it. Not only do people lie, but even in honest
>people, memory for what you actually eat (automatic eating)
>is notoriously bad. In metabolic ward studies you can drop
>total cholesterol levels below 150 in nearly everyone on the
>proper diet.

The impression I came away with (and it was an interview with
the guy proposing the "polypill") was that diet had quite an
effect on young folk who ate a good diet, but if you had eaten
a bad Western diet for the first 50 years of your life, you
could make little difference in your cholesterol by changing
to a good diet. Perhaps he was just being a realist. He also
said that ANY lowering of cholesterol was beneficial, no
matter what level anyone had.

>That was average total cholesterol in pre-westernized Japan,
>and in the Chinese Health Study, average total cholesterol
>in rural semi-vegetarian Chinese eating frugally and
>exercising was
>125. But there is nothing strange about Chinese cholesterol
> handling genetics, as shown by studies of
> Chinese-Americans in the US.

Agreed, but there is apparently advantage to be gained in
lowering even this low figure, according to this guy.

>Of course, I still recommend a statin for a guy like this, in
>addition to diet changes. He'll never make it to the Chinese
>rural diet buying out of a US supermarket, unless he's a very
>rare produce-only shopper with a will of iron. A Pritikin or
>Ornish type.

This polypill consists of 6 ingredients which it is claimed
will benefit everyone over 55 (IIRC). There is a minidose of
aspirin (which has a tiny downside, but a considerable upside)
a statin (beneficial to all) three anti-hypertensives at half
dose (beneficial to all -- I looked for what these might be,
but apparently just any three different ones will do -- I
assumed a beta blocker, a diuretic, and an ARB or an ACEI) and
the last and the one with the weakest evidence for benefit was
folic acid. The latter has doubtful benefit (except if you
have the deficiency that denatures it causing high
homocysteine (?sp) but is is cheap and harmless.

[Moosh:]]

On 13 Jul 2003 16:17:27 -0700, august2@ptd.net (M.
Schwartz) wrote:

>"Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com> wrote
>in message news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed
>to lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice,
>couldn't that have something to do with their very low
>cholesterol numbers?

Who, the Chinese? Why not look at the obvious? Wholefood diet
and much exercise.

>How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
>cholesterol?

Diet doesn't have much effect on cholesterol, except
apparently in a metabolic ward where compliance is absolute.

If your cholesterol is high, then a statin is apparently
beneficial. Of course a varied, wholefood, eucaloric diet
with regular moderate exercise is the optimal way for several
other benefits.

[Brad Shepp]

Mel, Yes, there is a herbal remedy - but why gamble on
unregulated therapy? Drug companies invest billions to produce
safe and effective products. Herbal remedies are "natural",
but then so is cyanide. Natural does not equal safe and
effective. Diet and exercise work for some, but most will
either not comply or will not get enough benefits. Yes, eating
olive oil in place of either saturated fats or carbs may help
- just don't eat more total calories.

august2@ptd.net (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com> wrote
> in message news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed to
> lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice, couldn't
> that have something to do with their very low cholesterol
> numbers?
>
> How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
> cholesterol?
>
> Mel

[Scullycat]

My doctor put me on extended release niacin 250mg. twice per
day for a cholesterol of 224. Any comments on using niacin to
reduce cholesterol? "M. Schwartz" <august2@ptd.net> wrote in
message
news:3358e4de.0307131517.52b4cd0c@posting.google.com...
> "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com> wrote
> in message
news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed to
> lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice, couldn't
> that have something to do with their very low cholesterol
> numbers?
>
> How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
> cholesterol?
>
> Mel

[R.L. McCar]

scullycat wrote:
>
> My doctor put me on extended release niacin 250mg. twice per
> day for a cholesterol of 224. Any comments on using niacin
> to reduce cholesterol? "M. Schwartz" <august2@ptd.net> wrote
> in message
> news:3358e4de.0307131517.52b4cd0c@posting.google.com...
> > "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com>
> > wrote in message
> news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >
> > Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed
> > to lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice,
> > couldn't that have something to do with their very low
> > cholesterol numbers?
> >
> > How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
> > cholesterol?
> >
> > Mel

> > A balanced Diet ( Kosher type) with vitamins and minerals
> > in their OWN > > relationships (catalytics used
> > properly)...and one may live to be 175 and > > beyond! If
> > 4 other groups in the world can live from 145 throug 900 >
> > > plus..WHY cannot we, who are allegdly "civilized", do
> > it?? Smile..B-0b1

[R.L. McCar]

Brad Sheppard wrote:
>
> Mel, Yes, there is a herbal remedy - but why gamble on
> unregulated therapy? Drug companies invest billions to
> produce safe and effective products. Herbal remedies are
> "natural", but then so is cyanide. Natural does not equal
> safe and effective. Diet and exercise work for some, but
> most will either not comply or will not get enough benefits.
> Yes, eating olive oil in place of either saturated fats or
> carbs may help - just don't eat more total calories.
>
> august2@ptd.net (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> news:<3358e4de.0307131517.52b4cd0c@posting.google.com>...
> > "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com>
> > wrote in message
> > news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >
> > Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed
> > to lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice,
> > couldn't that have something to do with their very low
> > cholesterol numbers?
> >
> > How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
> > cholesterol?
> >
> > Mel

> DRUG COMPANIES ivnest Billions to "safe and effective
> products" SAY WHAT?? What kind of Faery tales have you been
> reading?? B-0b1

[Brad Shepp]

Niacin increases HDL, the "good" cholesterol. It should
improve your lipid profile. Statins have the advantage of
lowering inflammation, and they may prevent Alzeheimer's.
Niacin is OTC and cheaper.

"scullycat" <scullycat@verizon-REMOVETHIS-.net> wrote in
message news:<hNBRa.7375$Qe5.3475@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> My doctor put me on extended release niacin 250mg. twice per
> day for a cholesterol of 224. Any comments on using niacin
> to reduce cholesterol? "M. Schwartz" <august2@ptd.net> wrote
> in message
> news:3358e4de.0307131517.52b4cd0c@posting.google.com...
> > "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com>
> > wrote in message
> news:<bepiqj$ruj$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >
> > Isn't there some chinese red yeast rice that is supposed
> > to lower cholesterol? Assuming there is such a rice,
> > couldn't that have something to do with their very low
> > cholesterol numbers?
> >
> > How about the Mediterranean diet with regards to reducing
> > cholesterol?
> >
> > Mel

[Moosh:]]

On 17 Jul 2003 07:48:05 -0700, Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad
Sheppard) wrote:

>Mel, Yes, there is a herbal remedy - but why gamble on
>unregulated therapy? Drug companies invest billions to
>produce safe and effective products. Herbal remedies are
>"natural", but then so is cyanide. Natural does not equal
>safe and effective. Diet and exercise work for some, but most
>will either not comply or will not get enough benefits. Yes,
>eating olive oil in place of either saturated fats or carbs
>may help - just don't eat more total calories.

Refined carbs, of course. But why not cut out all refined oils
or carbs and get your oils from a varied diet including
olives, nuts, fish, avocados, grains, and lean meats?