1 Cup = Measurement; (How long is a piece of string?)

[Samantha]

I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
mentioned throughout the two week period.

Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might constitute
a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in England. I'd much
rather quantify this by having a more accurate measuring
system so as not to go overboard on the greens, etc.

[Priscilla]

In article
<PK6Da.18271$Mu3.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>,
"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote:

> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

One cup is eight fluid ounces. It is also used to refer to
the volume occupied by eight fluid ounces (one cup of flour
as opposed to one cup of milk). It's a unit of measurement in
the US. There are four cups in a quart, which is darn close
to a liter.

Now you know how many of us feel when people express
measurements using the metric system!

Priscilla
--
Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

[Dj Delorie]

"Samantha" <no@do.com> writes:
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

If you're that worried about it, get a gram scale and measure
by weight. A "cup" varies depending on how tightly you pack
the food anyway.

But in general, the cup they're talking about is 236ml.

[Bridget M.]

> I'd much rather quantify this by having a more accurate
> measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

A US cup is 8 fluid ounces, or 16 tablespoons. .. Bridget M.
Atkins maintenance for life.

[Bill Uk]

"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote in message
news:PK6Da.18271$Mu3.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat
confused
> regarding the "cup" measuring system mentioned throughout
> the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this
by
> having a more accurate measuring system so as not to go
> overboard on the greens, etc.

[Jeri]

"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote in message
news:PK6Da.18271$Mu3.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

The USDA website gives measurements in grams in addition to
other measurements appropriate to the food type.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

Hope this helps.
--
Jeri
265/197/120 Atkins since 11/5/01 "Whether you think you can or
think you can't, you're right."

[Terry]

Samantha wrote:
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.
>
>

It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a volume
measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a cup of
lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????

--Terry

[The Queen]

Samantha <no@do.com> wrote:

> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

use a scale to weigh things. you have a much better chance of
being accurate that way.

[Miche]

In article
<PK6Da.18271$Mu3.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>,
"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote:

> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

One US cup == 237ml One metric cup == 250ml

Buy a measuring cup and use it rather than using tea mugs etc.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Tree]

Terry wrote:
> Samantha wrote:
>> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
>> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
>> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>>
>> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
>> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
>> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
>> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
>> greens, etc.
>>
>>
>
> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a volume
> measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a cup of
> lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????
>
> --Terry

It's still the volume of the US cup measurement. It's just
that the lettuce is put in the 'cup' and measured like that.
Not very accurate...weight is much easier.

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[Kevin & Ch]

a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about the same

Terry wrote:

> Samantha wrote:
> > I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> > somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> > mentioned throughout the two week period.
> >
> > Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> > constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> > England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> > accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> > greens, etc.
> >
> >
>
> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a volume
> measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a cup of
> lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????
>
> --Terry

[Stuart]

"Kevin & Chris" <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net...
> a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> the same
>

8 fluid oz is around 284ml. Enough of a difference to add up
when you're trying to stick to less than 20g of carb a day...

The cup measurement works fine with liquids and powders, but
gets silly when applied to big things - half a cup of
macadamias can contain a huge range, depending on whether the
nuts are whole, halved, crushed etc..... Stick to pounds and
ounces or grams if you want accurate measurements.

Stuart.

[Miche]

In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:

> a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> the same

1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Stargazer]

"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote in message
news:PK6Da.18271$Mu3.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat
confused
> regarding the "cup" measuring system mentioned throughout
> the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this
by
> having a more accurate measuring system so as not to go
> overboard on the greens, etc.

My general rule of thumb is the eyeball measurement - a U.S.
cup measure of something (by volume) is usually only slightly
larger than the size of my fist (I'm female, medium-framed).
Weight is definitely more accurate a measurement than volume
for non-powdered/granulated solids, but I personally found it
cumbersome to lug a postage scale around to restaurants and
things. I figured that going over or under my greens allotment
by a few ounces wasn't going to hurt me too much anyway, <g>.

Stargazer Atkins since 04-12-03
190/180/140

[Tdn]

"Samantha" <no@do.com> wrote in message news:<PK6Da.18271$Mu3-
.411576@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>...
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.

This is a very good online measurements converter:

http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/EASYvolume.html

It is a challenge. Somebody could probably make some money
writing a metric conversion addendum to Atkins's books.

T.

[Bob Pastor]

Terry wrote:
>
> Samantha wrote:
> > I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> > somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> > mentioned throughout the two week period.
> >
> > Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> > constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> > England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> > accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> > greens, etc.

I note you didn't try anything like maybe google to see if
there's a bit more substance to what your first impression
tells you is simply stupid. A whole continent of stupid
people. What a find, huh?

> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a volume
> measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a cup of
> lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????

It's a chance to not try to find a conversion chart and an
even bigger chance to see how smugly a non sequitur can be
introduced into an often otherwise intelligent conversation.

And, of course, a chance to imply superiority.

No downside, right? I love it when "they" talk about others as
though the benighted savages aren't in the room.

Pastorio

[Revek]

In our last episode, Tree said:
> Terry wrote:
>> Samantha wrote:
>>> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
>>> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
>>> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>>>
>>> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
>>> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
>>> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
>>> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
>>> greens, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a
>> volume measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a
>> cup of lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????
>>
>> --Terry
>
> It's still the volume of the US cup measurement. It's just
> that the lettuce is put in the 'cup' and measured like that.
> Not very accurate...weight is much easier.

Is that so? I've measured out dry measures and they are not
the same as liquid.

revek

[Terry]

Bob Pastorio wrote:
> Terry wrote:

>> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a
>> volume measurement makes sense. But when they talk about a
>> cup of lettuce or something.....what the heck is that????
>
> It's a chance to not try to find a conversion chart and an
> even bigger chance to see how smugly a non sequitur can be
> introduced into an often otherwise intelligent conversation.
>
> And, of course, a chance to imply superiority.
>
> No downside, right? I love it when "they" talk about others
> as though the benighted savages aren't in the room.
>
> Pastorio
>

Well that's some mighty fine flag waving there,but I'm not
sure what that has to do with what I said.....is that what
they refer to a non sequitur?

The downside is this. They tell you if you follow the
plan,you'll lose weight. Then in the instructions,they tell
you to eat 2 cups of veggies a day.....Who actually knows how
much 2 cups of veggies is....you are stuck having to take your
best guess at it. Is some sort of conversion chart available
for such things? It's hard sticking to a plan when you can't
understand the instructions.

--Terry

[Priscilla]

In article <y99Da.54$v8.4@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Stuart" <stuart@capewell.net> wrote:

> "Kevin & Chris" <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net...
> > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > the same
> >
>
> 8 fluid oz is around 284ml. Enough of a difference to
> add up when you're trying to stick to less than 20g of
> carb a day...
>
> The cup measurement works fine with liquids and powders, but
> gets silly when applied to big things - half a cup of
> macadamias can contain a huge range, depending on whether
> the nuts are whole, halved, crushed etc..... Stick to pounds
> and ounces or grams if you want accurate measurements.

I think the OP's problem came because the book expressed
measurements in cups, and she needed a frame of reference.
Telling her use weight doesn't help when she's trying to
interpret what someone else means.

Priscilla
--
Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

[Priscilla]

In article
<micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>, Miche
<micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > the same
>
> 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.

But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.

Priscilla
--
Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

[Bob Pastor]

Stuart wrote:
>
> "Kevin & Chris" <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net...
> > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > the same
> >
>
> 8 fluid oz is around 284ml. Enough of a difference to
> add up when you're trying to stick to less than 20g of
> carb a day...

Your number is wrong. A cup is actually 236 ml but can be
rounded to 250 for ease of calculation.

> The cup measurement works fine with liquids and powders, but
> gets silly when applied to big things - half a cup of
> macadamias can contain a huge range, depending on whether
> the nuts are whole, halved, crushed etc..... Stick to pounds
> and ounces or grams if you want accurate measurements.
>
> Stuart.

[Tree]

revek wrote:
> In our last episode, Tree said:
>>
>> It's still the volume of the US cup measurement. It's just
>> that the lettuce is put in the 'cup' and measured like
>> that. Not very accurate...weight is much easier.
>
> Is that so? I've measured out dry measures and they are not
> the same as liquid.
>
> revek

Sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking? If I cram lettuce
into a cup, any cup liquid or otherwise, the volume is
approx. the same as the volume in the cup. Whichever cup. I
think weight is more accurate. Did I mention that I think
weight is more accurate?

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[Bob Pastor]

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>
> In article
> <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>, Miche
> <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > the same
> >
> > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
>
> But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.

The actual difference between a cup and 1/4 liter is 14 ml.
14/1000 of a liter. Divide a liter into a thousand parts and
keep 14 for yourself.

A fluid ounce is 29.5 ml. It's less than 1/2 ounce by volume,
or, in the case of water, less than 1/2 ounce by weight. Not
quite a teaspoon and a half.

Sometimes we can get carried away with a desire for precision
that yields no benefit. Angels dancing on the head of a pin.
The real world demands approximations in all but a very few
instances.

Not all strawberries have the same amount of sugars in them.
So measuring the quantities with laboratory equipment doesn't
tell you how many carbs are in there, merely what a
statistical average might be. And in a cup, a teaspoon and a
half is unlikely to skew anything any more than the
statistically acceptable margins.

Pastorio

[Dj Delorie]

"Tree" <Perdita-nitt@carolina.rr.com> writes:
> I think weight is more accurate. Did I mention that I think
> weight is more accurate?

I think the missing bit is that weight is a more accurate
way to measure calories, not a more accurate way of
measuring one cup.

[The Queen]

Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <y99Da.54$v8.4@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Stuart" <stuart@capewell.net> wrote:
>
> > "Kevin & Chris" <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net...
> > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > the same
> > >
> >
> > 8 fluid oz is around 284ml. Enough of a difference to add
> > up when you're trying to stick to less than 20g of carb a
> > day...
> >
> > The cup measurement works fine with liquids and powders,
> > but gets silly when applied to big things - half a cup of
> > macadamias can contain a huge range, depending on whether
> > the nuts are whole, halved, crushed etc..... Stick to
> > pounds and ounces or grams if you want accurate
> > measurements.
>
> I think the OP's problem came because the book expressed
> measurements in cups, and she needed a frame of reference.
> Telling her use weight doesn't help when she's trying to
> interpret what someone else means.

good point. i thought she was just asking for the best way to
measure in order to get an accurate carb count :)

[Revek]

In our last episode, Tree said:
> revek wrote:
>> In our last episode, Tree said:
>>>
>>> It's still the volume of the US cup measurement. It's just
>>> that the lettuce is put in the 'cup' and measured like
>>> that. Not very accurate...weight is much easier.
>>
>> Is that so? I've measured out dry measures and they are not
>> the same as liquid.
>>
>> revek
>
> Sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking? If I cram lettuce
> into a cup, any cup liquid or otherwise, the volume is
> approx. the same as the volume in the cup. Whichever cup. I
> think weight is more accurate. Did I mention that I think
> weight is more accurate?

Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher telling
us that the dry measure cup is not the same size as the liquid
measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use them
interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the stubborn type
that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz water from the
liquid cup into the dry cup and came up short almost 2 full
tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).

revek

[Bob Pastor]

"Bridget M." wrote:
>
> Bob, are you ok? There's often finesse in your insults.
> You're slacking today.

A bit tired. What with fending off Viking pillagers and
designing the newest cyclotron, it's been a bit hectic. That
and the fact that I'm on deadline for some pieces I said I'd
write. Haven't done that normal free-association kind of
slashing so dear to my heart. Just dumped it out there.

Back to work now. Everybody behave. If not, misbehave
skillfully.

Pastorio

[Deb Wunder]

Bob Pastorio wrote:
> "Bridget M." wrote:
>>
>> Bob, are you ok? There's often finesse in your insults.
>> You're slacking today.
>
> A bit tired. What with fending off Viking pillagers and
> designing the newest cyclotron, it's been a bit hectic. That
> and the fact that I'm on deadline for some pieces I said I'd
> write. Haven't done that normal free-association kind of
> slashing so dear to my heart. Just dumped it out there.
>
> Back to work now. Everybody behave. If not, misbehave
> skillfully.
>
> Pastorio

--

LOL, Bob and Bridget. You guys really made me smile

--
Citius, Altius, Fortius! --

Deb Wunder \(^_^)/ LC since 21 Sept, 2002
264/230/120 June Challenge Goal: 225

Being challenged in life is inevitable. Being defeated is
optional." -- Roger Crawford-- Roger Crawford

[Bob Pastor]

Terry wrote:
>
> Bob Pastorio wrote:
> > Terry wrote:
>
> >> It's not so bad if they stick to fuilds where using a
> >> volume measurement makes sense. But when they talk about
> >> a cup of lettuce or something.....what the heck is
> >> that????
> >
> > It's a chance to not try to find a conversion chart and an
> > even bigger chance to see how smugly a non sequitur can be
> > introduced into an often otherwise intelligent
> > conversation.
> >
> > And, of course, a chance to imply superiority.
> >
> > No downside, right? I love it when "they" talk about
> > others as though the benighted savages aren't in the room.
> >
> > Pastorio
> >
>
> Well that's some mighty fine flag waving there,but I'm not
> sure what that has to do with what I said.....is that what
> they refer to a non sequitur?

Not really. Your post has everything to do with tone and very
little to do with seeking information. A non sequitur has no
bearing on what preceded it. It's that wonderfully distant and
down-the-nose tone of "they" that I so admire.

> The downside is this. They tell you if you follow the
> plan,you'll lose weight. Then in the instructions,they tell
> you to eat 2 cups of veggies a day.....Who actually knows
> how much 2 cups of veggies is....you are stuck having to
> take your best guess at it. Is some sort of conversion chart
> available for such things? It's hard sticking to a plan when
> you can't understand the instructions.

I know. And they're doing it just to piss you off. And rather
than look at the USDA site and other suchlike opportunities or
maybe bust loose with a few Euros and get MasterCook where
there are charts and explanations that would take care of your
whine, you inflict it here with that, "What the heck is that"
with four question marks.

It seems that a lot of people know what 2 cups is. Or maybe
they've done some research instead of whinging. Either way,
the information is very readily available with a moment's
searching. Or at least read the posts that explain all about
conversion.

But I'll let you in on the real secret. Cups are part of some
different kinds of underwear. Fill two of them with lettuce.
There you go.

Pastorio

[Miche]

In article <vze23t8n-8D887C.19000703062003@news.verizon.net>,
Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article
> <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>, Miche
> <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > the same
> >
> > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
>
> But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.

Which would be why metric doesn't talk about fluid
ounces, ne? ;)

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Stuart]

"Bob Pastorio" <pastorio@rica.net> wrote in message
news:3EDD425D.7F67114D@rica.net...
> Stuart wrote:
> >
> > "Kevin & Chris" <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net...
> > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > the same
> > >
> >
> > 8 fluid oz is around 284ml. Enough of a difference to add
> > up when you're trying to stick to less than 20g of carb a
> > day...
>
> Your number is wrong. A cup is actually 236 ml but can be
> rounded to 250 for ease of calculation.
>
You are right. I'm an idiot. Still, 236 is only 95% of 250,
meaning you could deprive yourself of a whole gram of carbs
during induction..... :)

Stuart.

[Miche]

In article <3EDD4488.BD9A720A@rica.net>,
Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:

> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> >
> > In article
> > <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>,
> > Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > > the same
> > >
> > > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
> >
> > But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.
>
> The actual difference between a cup and 1/4 liter is 14 ml.
> 14/1000 of a liter. Divide a liter into a thousand parts and
> keep 14 for yourself.

That's true of US cups. Not metric cups, which are
exactly 250ml.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Bob Pastor]

Miche wrote:
>
> In article
> <vze23t8n-8D887C.19000703062003@news.verizon.net>, Priscilla
> Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>,
> > Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all about
> > > > the same
> > >
> > > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
> >
> > But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.
>
> Which would be why metric doesn't talk about fluid
> ounces, ne? ;)

This is a nearly perfect non sequitur. For anyone looking.

Pastorio

[Bob Pastor]

Miche wrote:
>
> In article <3EDD4488.BD9A720A@rica.net>,
> Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:
>
> > Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> > >
> > > In article
> > > <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>,
> > > Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > > > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all
> > > > > about the same
> > > >
> > > > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
> > >
> > > But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.
> >
> > The actual difference between a cup and 1/4 liter is 14
> > ml. 14/1000 of a liter. Divide a liter into a thousand
> > parts and keep 14 for yourself.
>
> That's true of US cups. Not metric cups, which are
> exactly 250ml.

Try to keep up here. The whole question was about US cups and
what an affliction they are to a superior being from another
continent.

Pastorio

[Miche]

In article <3EDD95D0.24BB728D@rica.net>,
Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:

> Miche wrote:
> >
> > In article <3EDD4488.BD9A720A@rica.net>,
> > Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <micheinnz-C4914A.10483304062003@news.itconsult.net>,
> > > > Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <3EDD1817.B84FFAB8@ameritech.net>,
> > > > > Kevin & Chris <cheeda@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > a cup is 8 fluid ounces, 1/4 liter , 250 ml all
> > > > > > about the same
> > > > >
> > > > > 1/4 litre is exactly 250ml.
> > > >
> > > > But they're only approximate to 8 fluid ounces.
> > >
> > > The actual difference between a cup and 1/4 liter is 14
> > > ml. 14/1000 of a liter. Divide a liter into a thousand
> > > parts and keep 14 for yourself.
> >
> > That's true of US cups. Not metric cups, which are exactly
> > 250ml.
>
> Try to keep up here. The whole question was about US cups
> and what an affliction they are to a superior being from
> another continent.

The original post mentioned nothing about whether they were US
or metric cups.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Dj Delorie]

Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> writes:
> The original post mentioned nothing about whether they were
> US or metric cups.

The original post said they were trying to convert the
Induction recipes, implying they were from the Atkins book,
which uses US measurements.

[Terry]

Samantha wrote:
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.
>
> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England. I'd much rather quantify this by having a more
> accurate measuring system so as not to go overboard on the
> greens, etc.
>
>

I got this bagged salad with a label on it. It says that 85g =
1.5 cups. So that would be about 8 cups per pound. You can do
the math from there. This is off a label so it may not be
totally accurate,but it should be fairly close....the cup
measure is'nt very accurate to begin with anyway. This salad
contains lettuce,cabbage and carrots.

So now the big mystery in over......unless someone
proves me wrong.

--Terry

[Terry]

You must have a chip on your shoulder or you are just trying
to stir up some trouble. You are trying to make me out to have
this evil intent that is simply not there. This seems to be
your only purpose here so I will not address this any longing.

I think I'll go now and have my cup of salad and maybe a half
pound of water

--Terry

[Tree]

revek wrote:
> In our last episode, Tree said:
>> revek wrote:
>>> In our last episode, Tree said:
>>>>
>>>> It's still the volume of the US cup measurement. It's
>>>> just that the lettuce is put in the 'cup' and measured
>>>> like that. Not very accurate...weight is much easier.
>>>
>>> Is that so? I've measured out dry measures and they are
>>> not the same as liquid.
>>>
>>> revek
>>
>> Sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking? If I cram lettuce
>> into a cup, any cup liquid or otherwise, the volume is
>> approx. the same as the volume in the cup. Whichever cup. I
>> think weight is more accurate. Did I mention that I think
>> weight is more accurate?
>
> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size as
> the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use them
> interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the stubborn
> type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz water from
> the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up short almost 2
> full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>
> revek

Yep, you're right. ;o) I was just trying to explain what a cup
of anything was to someone who was clueless. To someone who
measure everything by weight, a cup of anything sounds insane.

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[Priscilla]

revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher telling
>us that the dry measure cup is not the same size as the
>liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use them
>interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the stubborn type
>that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz water from the
>liquid cup into the dry cup and came up short almost 2 full
>tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).

What nonsense.

Priscilla

--
"I would listen to Priscilla. Her advice is excellent!"

-- Frankenmel (Sharon) on alt.support.menopause

[Miche]

In article <01tDa.28191$NC4.125463@news1.mts.net>, Terry
<reply@to.group> wrote:

> You must have a chip on your shoulder or you are just trying
> to stir up some trouble. You are trying to make me out to
> have this evil intent that is simply not there. This seems
> to be your only purpose here so I will not address this any
> longing.
>
> I think I'll go now and have my cup of salad and maybe a
> half pound of water

Who are you talking to?

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Bob Pastor]

Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>
> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
> >Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
> >telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size as
> >the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use them
> >interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the stubborn
> >type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz water from
> >the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up short almost 2
> >full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>
> What nonsense.

The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a space
at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed to level
by scraping a knife or whatever across the top. That means
that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a cup when full
to the brim.

A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually a
line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to the
line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can move
it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise, stuff
spills out.

Pastorio

[Revek]

In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size as
>> the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use them
>> interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the stubborn
>> type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz water from
>> the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up short almost 2
>> full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>
> What nonsense.
>
> Priscilla

What part do you have touble understanding? That my home ec
teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it. And by the
way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line and no more. I
am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be TOLD that.

revek

[Tree]

Bob Pastorio wrote:
> Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>>
>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>> leftover liquid).
>>
>> What nonsense.
>
> The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a
> space at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed
> to level by scraping a knife or whatever across the top.
> That means that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a
> cup when full to the brim.
>
> A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually a
> line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to the
> line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can move
> it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise, stuff
> spills out.
>
> Pastorio

YOu know, I always wondered about that. There is a difference,
like revek said, that I've measured myself but I never
understood why. Thanks! Now I know. Dry to the top and liquid
to the line. ;o)

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[Priscilla]

Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> quoth:
>Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>>
>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>> >Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>> >telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>> >as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>> >them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>> >stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>> >water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>> >short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>> >leftover liquid).
>>
>> What nonsense.

>The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a space
>at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed to level
>by scraping a knife or whatever across the top. That means
>that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a cup when full
>to the brim.

>A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually a
>line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to the
>line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can move
>it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise, stuff
>spills out.

Yes, but one cup in volume is one cup in volume, regardless of
whether the substance being measured is wet or dry.

Priscilla

[Priscilla]

revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>> leftover liquid).
>>
>> What nonsense.
>>
>> Priscilla

>What part do you have touble understanding? That my home ec
>teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it. And by
>the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line and no
>more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be TOLD that.

So you filled it to the line and still found a discrepancy,
huh. That is nonsense.

Priscilla

[Priscilla]

Tree <Perdita-nitt@carolina.rr.com> quoth:
>Bob Pastorio wrote:
>> Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>>>
>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>>> leftover liquid).
>>>
>>> What nonsense.
>>
>> The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a
>> space at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed
>> to level by scraping a knife or whatever across the top.
>> That means that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a
>> cup when full to the brim.
>>
>> A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually
>> a line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to
>> the line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can
>> move it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise,
>> stuff spills out.
>>
>> Pastorio

>YOu know, I always wondered about that. There is a
>difference, like revek said, that I've measured myself but I
>never understood why. Thanks! Now I know. Dry to the top and
>liquid to the line. ;o)

It boggles my mind that anyone has to be TOLD that. The line
says "one cup" so you'd assume you should pour it higher?

Unbelievable.

Priscilla

[Revek]

In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>> In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>>> leftover liquid).
>>>
>>> What nonsense.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>
>> What part do you have touble understanding? That my home
>> ec teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it.
>> And by the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line
>> and no more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be
>> TOLD that.
>
> So you filled it to the line and still found a discrepancy,
> huh. That is nonsense.
>
> Priscilla

Whatever. You are the expert. If you can't add anything
constructive at all to a thread (other than your attitude),
perhaps you need to reassess your contribution to this group.

revek

[Adm]

"DJ Delorie" <dj@delorie.com> wrote in message
news:xn1xy9vr2d.fsf@delorie.com...
>
> Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> writes:
> > The original post mentioned nothing about whether they
> > were US or metric cups.
>
> The original post said they were trying to convert the
> Induction recipes, implying they were from the Atkins book,
> which uses US measurements.

Hmmm....my Atkins book uses US measurements (cups) for most
things, but the Carb counter is all in grams.

Go figure....

[Tree]

Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>
> It boggles my mind that anyone has to be TOLD that. The line
> says "one cup" so you'd assume you should pour it higher?
>
> Unbelievable.
>
> Priscilla

I know! Isn't is amazing the stupid, inane and hateful things
people say and do? I marvel all the time at it myself. Being
human, I'm not immune to such behaviour, of course. Don't you
think the anonymity of the internet has made this sort of
thing a lot worse? I do.

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[Miche]

In article <xn1xy9vr2d.fsf@delorie.com>, DJ Delorie
<dj@delorie.com> wrote:

> Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> writes:
> > The original post mentioned nothing about whether they
> > were US or metric cups.
>
> The original post said they were trying to convert the
> Induction recipes, implying they were from the Atkins book,
> which uses US measurements.

Which I didn't know, never having seen Atkins' book.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[p557]

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:55:47 +0000 (UTC), Priscilla H Ballou
<phb@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:

>revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>>> leftover liquid).
>>>
>>> What nonsense.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>
>>What part do you have touble understanding? That my home ec
>>teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it. And by
>>the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line and no
>>more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be TOLD that.
>
>So you filled it to the line and still found a discrepancy,
>huh. That is nonsense.

Hey Priscilla

Why don't you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut (locarb,
of course).

[Deb Wunder]

p557@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:55:47 +0000 (UTC), Priscilla H Ballou
> <phb@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>
>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>> In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
>>>>> as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
>>>>> them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
>>>>> stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
>>>>> water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
>>>>> short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
>>>>> leftover liquid).
>>>>
>>>> What nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>
>>> What part do you have touble understanding? That my home
>>> ec teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it.
>>> And by the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line
>>> and no more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be
>>> TOLD that.
>>
>> So you filled it to the line and still found a discrepancy,
>> huh. That is nonsense.
>
>
> Hey Priscilla
>
> Why don't you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut (locarb,
> of course).

--

Okay, whoever you are, P557, this was totally out of line.

As I have said before, we can disagree with each other in
a civilized manner, without resorting to immature
personal attacks.

Citius, Altius, Fortius --

Deb \(^_^)/

"Being challenged in life is inevitable. Being defeated is
optional." -- Roger Crawford

[Bob Pastor]

Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>
> Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> quoth:
> >Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
> >>
> >> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
> >> >Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
> >> >telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same size
> >> >as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed to use
> >> >them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being the
> >> >stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured 8 oz
> >> >water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and came up
> >> >short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup
> >> >leftover liquid).
> >>
> >> What nonsense.
>
> >The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a
> >space at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed
> >to level by scraping a knife or whatever across the top.
> >That means that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a
> >cup when full to the brim.
>
> >A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually
> >a line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to
> >the line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can
> >move it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise,
> >stuff spills out.
>
> Yes, but one cup in volume is one cup in volume, regardless
> of whether the substance being measured is wet or dry.

You know, I think I said pretty much the same thing when I
said "it's the same volume."

Pastorio

[p557]

On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:42:31 GMT, "Deb Wunder"
<otherdeb@optonline.net> wrote:

>p557@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:55:47 +0000 (UTC), Priscilla H Ballou
>> <phb@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>> In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>>>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same
>>>>>> size as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed
>>>>>> to use them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being
>>>>>> the stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured
>>>>>> 8 oz water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and
>>>>>> came up short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around
>>>>>> 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>>>>>
>>>>> What nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>> What part do you have touble understanding? That my home
>>>> ec teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it.
>>>> And by the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the line
>>>> and no more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need to be
>>>> TOLD that.
>>>
>>> So you filled it to the line and still found a
>>> discrepancy, huh. That is nonsense.
>>
>>
>> Hey Priscilla
>>
>> Why don't you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut
>> (locarb, of course).
>
>--
>
>Okay, whoever you are, P557, this was totally out of line.
>
>As I have said before, we can disagree with each other in
>a civilized manner, without resorting to immature
>personal attacks.

You ain't my nanny.

[Deb Wunder]

p557@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:42:31 GMT, "Deb Wunder"
> <otherdeb@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> p557@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:55:47 +0000 (UTC), Priscilla H
>>> Ballou <phb@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>>> In our last episode, Priscilla H Ballou said:
>>>>>> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>>>>>>> Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>>>>>>> telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same
>>>>>>> size as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed
>>>>>>> to use them interchangebly. I tested it out once
>>>>>>> (being the stubborn type that don' trust authority). I
>>>>>>> poured 8 oz water from the liquid cup into the dry cup
>>>>>>> and came up short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had
>>>>>>> around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>> What part do you have touble understanding? That my home
>>>>> ec teacher actually told us that, or that I tested it.
>>>>> And by the way I do know to fill a liquid cup to the
>>>>> line and no more. I am not an idiot, but maybe you need
>>>>> to be TOLD that.
>>>>
>>>> So you filled it to the line and still found a
>>>> discrepancy, huh. That is nonsense.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Priscilla
>>>
>>> Why don't you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut
>>> (locarb, of course).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Okay, whoever you are, P557, this was totally out of line.
>>
>> As I have said before, we can disagree with each other in a
>> civilized manner, without resorting to immature personal
>> attacks.
>
>
> You ain't my nanny.

--
No, I'm not your nanny.

But I stand by what I said. We can disagree and yet be civil
to each other.

Citius, Altius, Fortius --

Deb \(^_^)/

"Being challenged in life is inevitable. Being defeated is
optional." -- Roger Crawford

[Ron Ackerm]

Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:<micheinnz-04EED0.10222004062003@news.itconsult.net>...
>
> One US cup == 237ml One metric cup == 250ml
>
> Buy a measuring cup and use it rather than using tea
> mugs etc.
>
> Miche

Actually: One US cup (liquid measure) = 236.5 ml One US cup
(dry measure) = 275.5 ml

(Source Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary
conversion tables) While not claiming this Dictionary to be
the final arbiter it was handy. In addition several web
pages contain similar information for those who chose to
search for them

[Ann In Hou]

> I got this bagged salad with a label on it. It says that 85g
> = 1.5 cups. So that would be about 8 cups per pound. You can
> do the math from there. This is off a label so it may not be
> totally accurate,but it should be fairly close....the cup
> measure is'nt very accurate to begin with anyway. This salad
> contains lettuce,cabbage and carrots.
>
> So now the big mystery in over......unless someone proves
> me wrong.
>
> --Terry

I may regret jumping in on this, and please forgive me if I
am not giving you credit for knowing this, but it is worth
mentioning that the weight measurement that they are using
only counts as the cup equivalent for that product. You
know, the "pound of feathers" thing. It's not an all pupose
conversion factor. I guess this is redundant since so many
people have posted relevant conversion numbers, but I just
saw a chance for people who have not read the whole thread
to get confused, possibly. Now, please forgive another
possibly obvious remark. Any diet book you read is always
talking about using measuring spoons, cups, etc. when they
talk about amounts. Teaspoon sounds ambiguous until you
realize it is a definite unit of measure, not the spoon in a
set of flatware. As for my own background, a teaspoon was
what we ate cereal and ice cream with, an iced tea spoon had
a long handle for stirring, and a tablespoon was a larger,
serving spoon. good LuCk, Ann

[Revek]

"Ron Ackermann" <dead@fwiw.org> wrote in message
news:d1463e91.0306050548.434e0db4@posting.google.com...
> Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:<micheinnz-04EED0.10222004062003@news.itconsult.net>...
> >
> > One US cup == 237ml One metric cup == 250ml
> >
> > Buy a measuring cup and use it rather than using tea
> > mugs etc.
> >
> > Miche
>
> Actually: One US cup (liquid measure) = 236.5 ml One US cup
> (dry measure) = 275.5 ml
>
> (Source Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary
> conversion tables) While not claiming this Dictionary to be
> the final arbiter it was handy. In addition several web
> pages contain similar information for those who chose to
> search for them

Thankyou. So I missremembered which cup I poured from, and
which I poured into. Well, my memory is not infallible, I
admit that. I guess in Priscilla's world, that still makes
me a liar.

revek

[Jamie]

Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:
> Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>>
>> Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> quoth:
>> >Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
>> >>
>> >> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
>> >> >Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
>> >> >telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same
>> >> >size as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't supposed
>> >> >to use them interchangebly. I tested it out once (being
>> >> >the stubborn type that don' trust authority). I poured
>> >> >8 oz water from the liquid cup into the dry cup and
>> >> >came up short almost 2 full tablespoons (I had around
>> >> >1/8 cup leftover liquid).
>> >>
>> >> What nonsense.
>>
>> >The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a
>> >space at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is designed
>> >to level by scraping a knife or whatever across the top.
>> >That means that a measured cup fills it completely. It's a
>> >cup when full to the brim.
>>
>> >A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim (usually
>> >a line to mark the measure), but it's the same volume to
>> >the line as the dry cup. It has that taller rim so you can
>> >move it when it's full up to the 1-cup line. Otherwise,
>> >stuff spills out.
>>
>> Yes, but one cup in volume is one cup in volume, regardless
>> of whether the substance being measured is wet or dry.
>
> You know, I think I said pretty much the same thing when I
> said "it's the same volume."

According to the weights and measures table in my Websters,
the dry volumes and Liquid volumes of US pints and quarts do
actually differ. But the dry measuring cups all seem to be
based on the liquid measure of a half pint.

--
jamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com)

"There's a seeker born every minute."

[Miche]

In article <d1463e91.0306050548.434e0db4@posting.google.com>,
dead@fwiw.org (Ron Ackermann) wrote:

> Miche <micheinnz@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<mich-
> einnz-04EED0.10222004062003@news.itconsult.net>...
> >
> > One US cup == 237ml One metric cup == 250ml
> >
> > Buy a measuring cup and use it rather than using tea
> > mugs etc.
> >
> > Miche
>
> Actually: One US cup (liquid measure) = 236.5 ml One US cup
> (dry measure) = 275.5 ml
>
> (Source Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary
> conversion tables) While not claiming this Dictionary to be
> the final arbiter it was handy. In addition several web
> pages contain similar information for those who chose to
> search for them

Thank you. More accurate information is always a good thing.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. -- Arlo
Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

[Terry]

ann in houston wrote:
>> I got this bagged salad with a label on it. It says that
>> 85g = 1.5 cups. So that would be about 8 cups per pound.
>> You can do the math from there. This is off a label so it
>> may not be totally accurate,but it should be fairly
>> close....the cup measure is'nt very accurate to begin with
>> anyway. This salad contains lettuce,cabbage and carrots.
>>
>> So now the big mystery in over......unless someone proves
>> me wrong.
>>
>> --Terry
>
> I may regret jumping in on this, and please forgive me if I
> am not giving you credit for knowing this, but it is worth
> mentioning that the weight measurement that they are using
> only counts as the cup equivalent for that product. You
> know, the "pound of feathers" thing. It's not an all purpose
> conversion factor. I guess this is redundant since so many
> people have posted relevant conversion numbers, but I just
> saw a chance for people who have not read the whole thread
> to get confused, possibly. Now, please forgive another
> possibly obvious remark. Any diet book you read is always
> talking about using measuring spoons, cups, etc. when they
> talk about amounts. Teaspoon sounds ambiguous until you
> realize it is a definite unit of measure, not the spoon in a
> set of flatware. As for my own background, a teaspoon was
> what we ate cereal and ice cream with, an iced tea spoon had
> a long handle for stirring, and a tablespoon was a larger,
> serving spoon. good LuCk, Ann

Certainly the weight of the salad will change with different
ingredients or amounts. I was pretty sure the OP was looking
for a weight reference and this was my poor attempt at giving
her one....it would certainly be more accurate to weigh each
ingredient separately and then throw them together later.

People need to understand that in some places,some stuff is
sold by weight and not volume.....so conversion can be
confusing...knowing that a cup is 236 ml does'nt really help
much,it's still a volume measurement. I had the same problem
with my yogurt......"what is a cup of yogurt?".......mine
comes in a 750 gram container.

The fact that a "cup" has a weight equality is something I
have learned just recently. Now I don't actually have to cram
my salad into a measuring cup before eating it.

thanx for setting things straight

--Terry

[Doug Freyb]

Samantha wrote:
>
> I've just started the induction period (2nd day in) and am
> somewhat confused regarding the "cup" measuring system
> mentioned throughout the two week period.

A cup is volume in the archaic US system. Call it a quarter
liter. It's a little less but volume is less accurate than
weight anyways. Volume makes up for it being being easier to
measure than weight. Fewer gadgets needed. But once you've
gotten used to either volume or weight that's the one you've
gotten used to and the other way isn't important any more.

> Cup sizes are different the world over.. What might
> constitute a "cup" in the US might equate to a "Mug" in
> England.

You've jumped to a conclusion that the word "cup" actually
means something relative to common items. Sorry but it does
not. It's just a volume that was standardized in the US a
couple of centuries ago. I have plenty of glasses, mugs and
cups at home and absolutely none of them come close to being a
cup in volume. Not one. They are all larger than a cup.

[Bob Pastor]

jamie wrote:
>
> Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:
> > Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Pastorio <pastorio@rica.net> quoth:
> >> >Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> revek <tanirevek@yahoo.com> quoth:
> >> >> >Yeah you did. I'm just remembering my home ec teacher
> >> >> >telling us that the dry measure cup is not the same
> >> >> >size as the liquid measure cup, so we weren't
> >> >> >supposed to use them interchangebly. I tested it out
> >> >> >once (being the stubborn type that don' trust
> >> >> >authority). I poured 8 oz water from the liquid cup
> >> >> >into the dry cup and came up short almost 2 full
> >> >> >tablespoons (I had around 1/8 cup leftover liquid).
> >> >>
> >> >> What nonsense.
> >>
> >> >The difference between dry and liquid measure cups is a
> >> >space at the top. The top of a dry measure cup is
> >> >designed to level by scraping a knife or whatever across
> >> >the top. That means that a measured cup fills it
> >> >completely. It's a cup when full to the brim.
> >>
> >> >A wet measure cup is full down a bit from the rim
> >> >(usually a line to mark the measure), but it's the same
> >> >volume to the line as the dry cup. It has that taller
> >> >rim so you can move it when it's full up to the 1-cup
> >> >line. Otherwise, stuff spills out.
> >>
> >> Yes, but one cup in volume is one cup in volume,
> >> regardless of whether the substance being measured is wet
> >> or dry.
> >
> > You know, I think I said pretty much the same thing when I
> > said "it's the same volume."
>
> According to the weights and measures table in my Websters,
> the dry volumes and Liquid volumes of US pints and quarts do
> actually differ. But the dry measuring cups all seem to be
> based on the liquid measure of a half pint.

Right. And, to make life more complex, there are commercial
pints and quarts that have become standards for sales of
berries and not much else. Those little supermarket containers
of berries are called pints and quarts but have virtually no
bearing on the ones we use in daily cooking. Same name,
different quantity than what household measures are. (And, to
put the icing on the cake, different than what Webster's says.
The supermarket "pint" of berries is actually somewhere
between a pint and a quart, tending towards the larger.) The
larger traditional units of dry measure are used for grains
and farm produce and have not much use in daily life for
people outside that business.

So, while Webster's is accurate, it's a false accuracy since
you and I have no access to those measures and home measuring
cups, as you say, don't reflect that difference. They're both
a fluid measure cup, just designed to be used differently.

This is like the differences in "pound" in avoirdupois (which
looks like a contraction of French "having weight") and troy
weights. 454 and 373 grams respectively. Avoirdupois is what
we use in daily life. Troy is also called the jewelers'
weight. And if you want to see some strange stuff, look at the
various sub-units in troy and apothecaries' measures. You get
caught up in carats and scruples and pennyweights.

So this metric thing is all based on 10 so the math is easy,
you say? And liquids are measured by volume? And solids are
measured by weight?

Never catch on.

What would happen to the Chinese "li" and the Japanese
"koku?" Oh.

Pastorio

[M0r_emale]

On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 02:18:33 -0400, Bob Pastorio
<pastorio@rica.net> wrote:

>
>It seems that a lot of people know what 2 cups is. Or maybe
>they've done some research instead of whinging. Either way,
>the information is very readily available with a moment's
>searching. Or at least read the posts that explain all about
>conversion.
>
>But I'll let you in on the real secret. Cups are part of some
>different kinds of underwear. Fill two of them with lettuce.
>There you go.
>
heh heh,, you stole my line there Bob, only *_I_* was to
suggest cake ! a kind of reverse psyche on the "let them eat
cake" crowd.

btw..in the to and fro on precision I saw no mention of the
meniscus in calculating equivalents, concave/convex or
otherwise,, not to mention the additional benefits of a cup of
hydroponic lettuce..sigh pretentionists <g> _

M0R_Emale

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[Bob Pastor]

M0R_Emale wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 02:18:33 -0400, Bob Pastorio
> <pastorio@rica.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >It seems that a lot of people know what 2 cups is. Or maybe
> >they've done some research instead of whinging. Either way,
> >the information is very readily available with a moment's
> >searching. Or at least read the posts that explain all
> >about conversion.
> >
> >But I'll let you in on the real secret. Cups are part of
> >some different kinds of underwear. Fill two of them with
> >lettuce. There you go.
> >
> heh heh,, you stole my line there Bob, only *_I_* was to
> suggest cake ! a kind of reverse psyche on the "let them eat
> cake" crowd.
>
> btw..in the to and fro on precision I saw no mention of the
> meniscus in calculating equivalents, concave/convex or
> otherwise,, not to mention the additional benefits of a cup
> of hydroponic lettuce..sigh pretentionists <g>

Jeez, it's complicated enough without making people do precise
measurements with imprecise equipment. Water-based liquids and
light oils will all give a concave meniscus, so I didn't
bother to mention it. Honey=convex until it finishes wetting
the vessel. <sigh> Don't get much of a meniscus with whey
protein or wheat gluten, huh?

The rule is: Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk. Cut
with a hatchet.

That precise.

Pastorio