Dark chocolate is good to eat?

[M. Schwart]

I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there was
a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are good
for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness of
platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery blockages.
This study is from the University of California at Davis where
researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a handful of
semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and six
hours later showed that the concentration of flavonoids had
increased and that platelets took longer to clot after eating
the chocolate than it did before.

Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it from
Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70 percent
cocoa is fine.

Anyone for dark chocolate?

Mel

[Galya]

Yessssssssssssssss Mel! If you prefer to avoid the sugar in
dark chocolate (AND buying a French or Belgic products at the
same time) then the best mostly recommended cocoa (cacao)
powder is the Italian cocoa 'Pernigotti', which is sold by
William Sonoma (WS). If you don't have WS shop in your town,
it's possible to buy it either from WS's website as well as
several other sites on the Internet.

If you insist on a great chocolate bar after all that is high
in cocoa powder (dark chocolate), sweetened with maltitol, and
is made/designed by a French doc Michel Montignac, then I
strongly recommend buying his brand name dark chocolate that
called CHOCOLAT MONTIGNAC. I love the one that has bits of
coffee seeds.
http://www.michelmontignac.tm.fr/catalogue/index.html

We order it from Cupidon, a Canadian website at
http://www.chocolatcupidon.com/ If you speak English only,
their English page never works (they forever claim to have
been working on it) so the best is to call its 800 number and
ask to speak with Karen, the only person who speaks little
English but enough to fill orders;-)and their prices are good.

galya

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com>...
> I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
> good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery
> blockages. This study is from the University of California
> at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted
> two and six hours later showed that the concentration of
> flavonoids had increased and that platelets took longer to
> clot after eating the chocolate than it did before.
>
> Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> Mel

[Suzee]

"M. Schwartz" wrote:
>
> I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
> good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery
> blockages. This study is from the University of California
> at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted
> two and six hours later showed that the concentration of
> flavonoids had increased and that platelets took longer to
> clot after eating the chocolate than it did before.
>
> Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Anyone for dark chocolate?

Anytime, anywhere....

sue

[Gene Haywo]

How do we find out what percentage cocoa a particular brand
is? It's not usually stated on the label. Do you know of a
chart? What do you think of Hershey brand dark chocolate? It's
a lot cheaper than the imports?

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com>...
> I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
> good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery
> blockages. This study is from the University of California
> at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted
> two and six hours later showed that the concentration of
> flavonoids had increased and that platelets took longer to
> clot after eating the chocolate than it did before.
>
> Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> Mel

[William A.]

"> If you insist on a great chocolate bar after all that is
high in cocoa
> powder (dark chocolate), sweetened with maltitol,

Don't you mean mannitol??

[M. Schwart]

gehayw@hotmail.com (Gene Haywood) wrote in message
news:<bd56540c.0305252033.64a3e3cd@posting.google.com>...
> How do we find out what percentage cocoa a particular brand
> is? It's not usually stated on the label. Do you know of a
> chart? What do you think of Hershey brand dark chocolate?
> It's a lot cheaper than the imports?

I'm not an expert on dark chocolate but I suspect the
Hershey brand wouldn't qualify, although I must confess to
enjoying their Hershey bar with almonds before the Quadruple
bypass. ;-)

Mel
>
>
> schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> news:<30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com>...
> > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> > was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> > California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> > Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> > the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > than it did before.
> >
> > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> >
> > Mel

[M. Schwart]

galya@volcanomail.com (galya) wrote in message
news:<160201d6.0305251518.5843b1e3@posting.google.com>...

There seems to be something about glycemic, sucre, and
prevention of cardio-vascular. Do you know what is being
said about those things? It looks like 85% cocoa or cacao is
used. Yes?

Can you translate the following:

Chocolat Montignac

Le chocolat a été longtemps diabolisé et pas la diététique
traditionnelle, alors que c'est un aliment d'un grand intérêt
nutritionnel. Mais ce n'est pas la fraction sucrée qui
intéressante, c'est surtout la partie "cacao" qui contient les
vertus du chocolat. Or, dans le chocolat Montignac, on a une
concentration exceptionnelle de cacao puisqu'elle est de 85% !

Le chocolat Montignac est fait selon une méthode
traditionnelle avec uniquement des produits nobles pâtes de
cacao et beurre de cacao. Il ne contient pas de poudre de
cacao, ni de cacao maigre, mais uniquement de l'authentique
pâte de cacao, faite à partir de fèves de qualité
rigoureusement sélectionnées.Seul le beurre de cacao entre
dans la composition de chocolat Montignac. Cette graisse a
l'avantage de faire baisser le cholestérol et le chocolat
devient alors, grâce aussi à ses tannins, un aliment qui a
d'authentiques propriétés de prévention cardio-vasculaire.

Le chocolat Montignac a l'avantage de ne pas contenir de
sucre, qui est remplacé par le maltitol qui a un pouvoir
sucrant équivalant à 90% du sucre. Ceci contribue à ce que ce
chocolat face très peu augmenter la glycémie (taux de sucre
dans le sang). Il a un index glycémique très bas vers 15. Ceci
est un atout pour les diabétiques, pour ceux est celle qui
veulent perdre du poids et pour les personnes qui ont tendance
à faire de l'hypoglycémie.

Notre savoir-faire a permis de donner au chocolat Montignac un
goût exceptionnel qui en a étonné plus d'un ! Ce produit
Montignac, qui allie diététique et gastronomie, est le seul
parmi des dizaines proposées à Michel Montignac qui correspond
rigoureusement à ses souhaits et s'intègre à 100% dans le
cadre de sa méthode.

[Alf Christ]

On Sun, 25 May 2003 19:27:26 -0700, "William A. Noyes"
<no.address@ctc.net> wrote:

>Don't you mean mannitol??

Possibly not :-) Maltitol is just another one :-) (Possibly
from maltose)

[Walter E.]

This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of quacks
like Dr. Weil.

An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces nothing
but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good laugh.

As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this marvelous
product, its nutritional *value* consists essentially of cocoa
fat: Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fats.

May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great way
to clog ones arteries.

Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a chocoholic. I
love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does not seem to be
compatible with long life.

--
Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in
message
news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
> good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery
> blockages. This study is from the University of California
> at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted
> two and six hours later showed that the concentration of
> flavonoids had increased and that platelets took longer to
> clot after eating the chocolate than it did before.
>
> Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> Mel

[Jeff Utz]

I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't trust
Weil: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if
he would recommend chocolate from France these days. While
there might be a short-term gain from eating dark chocolate,
there is a long term gain. Around your waist. Chocolate is
full of fat and sugar. Unless you are very active, you are
probably a lot better off eating a healthy diet low in fat and
sugar and getting your flavonoids elsewhere, like in
vegetables.

Jeff

"M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message
news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
> good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery
> blockages. This study is from the University of California
> at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted
> two and six hours later showed that the concentration of
> flavonoids had increased and that platelets took longer to
> clot after eating the chocolate than it did before.
>
> Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> Mel

[Galya]

Hershey unsweetened baking chocolate is ~55% cocoa and as far
as I recall, Hershey doesn't specify the % on the rest of its
products but I bet they are all below 55%. At the same time
the top well-known French and Belgic dark chocolates are above
70% (I said top because they also have dark chocolate bars
that are less than 70%). You mostly find them in some health
food stores, some Internet sites, William Sonoma sells a
limited number of them, and in some specializing chocolate
stores where the owner is real chocolatier;-).

galya

gehayw@hotmail.com (Gene Haywood) wrote in message
news:<bd56540c.0305252033.64a3e3cd@posting.google.com>...
> How do we find out what percentage cocoa a particular brand
> is? It's not usually stated on the label. Do you know of a
> chart? What do you think of Hershey brand dark chocolate?
> It's a lot cheaper than the imports?
>
>
> schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> news:<30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com>...
> > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> > was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> > California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> > Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> > the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > than it did before.
> >
> > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> >
> > Mel

[Micheal]

"Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bau0ka$d66@library2.airnews.net...

> I don't trust Weil:
> http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if he
> would recommend chocolate from France these days.

Why do you wonder this? What's wrong with 'chocolate from
France these days'?

Micheal R.

[Tintinet]

Votre translation:

The chocolate is a food of a great nutritional interest. But
it is not the sweetened fraction which interesting; it is
especially the "cocoa" which contains the virtues of the
chocolate. In the Montignac chocolate, there is an exceptional
cocoa concentration: 85%!

The Montignac chocolate is made according to a traditional
method with only noble products pastes of cocoa and cocoa
butter. It does not contain cocoa powder, nor thin cocoa, but
only the authentic cocoa paste, made starting from broad beans
of quality rigorously selected. Only the cocoa butter enters
the composition of Montignac chocolate. This grease has the
advantage of causing a drop in cholesterol and the chocolate
becomes then, thanks also to its tannins, a food which has
authentic properties of cardiovascular prevention.

The Montignac chocolate has the advantage of not containing
of sugar, which is replaced by maltitol which has a
sweetening capacity equivalent to 90% of sugar. This
chocolate increases blood glycemia very little (sugar rate in
blood). It very low has an index glycemic (approximately 15.)
This is an asset for diabetics, for those that want to lose
weight, and for the people who tend to hypoglycemia. Our
know-how made it possible to give to the Montignac chocolate
an exceptional taste which has astonished more one! This
Montignac product, which combines dietetic benefits and
gastronomy, is only one among tens suggested by Michel
Montignac and corresponds rigorously to and is integrated
100% into the framework of the Montignac method.





schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305260536.7b6e3e8b@posting.google.com>...
> galya@volcanomail.com (galya) wrote in message
> news:<160201d6.0305251518.5843b1e3@posting.google.com>...
>
> There seems to be something about glycemic, sucre, and
> prevention of cardio-vascular. Do you know what is being
> said about those things? It looks like 85% cocoa or cacao is
> used. Yes?
>
> Can you translate the following:
>
> Chocolat Montignac
>
> Le chocolat a été longtemps diabolisé et pas la diététique
> traditionnelle, alors que c'est un aliment d'un grand
> intérêt nutritionnel. Mais ce n'est pas la fraction sucrée
> qui intéressante, c'est surtout la partie "cacao" qui
> contient les vertus du chocolat. Or, dans le chocolat
> Montignac, on a une concentration exceptionnelle de cacao
> puisqu'elle est de 85% !
>
> Le chocolat Montignac est fait selon une méthode
> traditionnelle avec uniquement des produits nobles pâtes de
> cacao et beurre de cacao. Il ne contient pas de poudre de
> cacao, ni de cacao maigre, mais uniquement de l'authentique
> pâte de cacao, faite à partir de fèves de qualité
> rigoureusement sélectionnées.Seul le beurre de cacao entre
> dans la composition de chocolat Montignac. Cette graisse a
> l'avantage de faire baisser le cholestérol et le chocolat
> devient alors, grâce aussi à ses tannins, un aliment qui a
> d'authentiques propriétés de prévention cardio-vasculaire.
>
>
>
>
> Le chocolat Montignac a l'avantage de ne pas contenir de
> sucre, qui est remplacé par le maltitol qui a un pouvoir
> sucrant équivalant à 90% du sucre. Ceci contribue à ce que
> ce chocolat face très peu augmenter la glycémie (taux de
> sucre dans le sang). Il a un index glycémique très bas vers
> 15. Ceci est un atout pour les diabétiques, pour ceux est
> celle qui veulent perdre du poids et pour les personnes qui
> ont tendance à faire de l'hypoglycémie.
>
> Notre savoir-faire a permis de donner au chocolat Montignac
> un goût exceptionnel qui en a étonné plus d'un ! Ce produit
> Montignac, qui allie diététique et gastronomie, est le seul
> parmi des dizaines proposées à Michel Montignac qui
> correspond rigoureusement à ses souhaits et s'intègre à 100%
> dans le cadre de sa méthode.

[Galya]

"William A. Noyes" <no.address@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:<3ed19d33_4@corp-news.newsgroups.com>...
> "> If you insist on a great chocolate bar after all that is
> high in cocoa
> > powder (dark chocolate), sweetened with maltitol,
>
>
>
> Don't you mean mannitol??

No, maltitol;-)

From:http://www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/foods/g1030.htm "Sugar
Alcohols. These sweeteners are commercially produced from
glucose, or derived from fruits and vegetables. The most
common sugar alcohols are sorbitol, mannitol, maltitol, and
xylitol. Prunes have the largest amount of naturally occurring
sorbitol of any fruit normally eaten in the United States.
Apples and pears also are high in sorbitol.

Sugar alcohols are found in dietetic candies, chewing gums,
and as coating on tablets and gums."

galya

[Galya]

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305260536.7b6e3e8b@posting.google.com>...
> galya@volcanomail.com (galya) wrote in message
> news:<160201d6.0305251518.5843b1e3@posting.google.com>...
>
> There seems to be something about glycemic, sucre, and
> prevention of cardio-vascular. Do you know what is being
> said about those things? It looks like 85% cocoa or cacao is
> used. Yes?

Yes, it is 85% cocoa (while Pernigotti cocoa powder is 99%),
and no I can't translate it. Although I speak 2 languages and
understand 3, French isn't one of them;-) Maltitol per unit
has fewer calories than sucrose, which is only one reason
it's used to sweeten treats for diabetics but there is
another reason that is even more important. Please read my
response to Mr. Noyes about 'sugar alcohols'

galya

> Can you translate the following:
>
> Chocolat Montignac
>
> Le chocolat a été longtemps diabolisé et pas la diététique
> traditionnelle, alors que c'est un aliment d'un grand
> intérêt nutritionnel. Mais ce n'est pas la fraction sucrée
> qui intéressante, c'est surtout la partie "cacao" qui
> contient les vertus du chocolat. Or, dans le chocolat
> Montignac, on a une concentration exceptionnelle de cacao
> puisqu'elle est de 85% !
>
> Le chocolat Montignac est fait selon une méthode
> traditionnelle avec uniquement des produits nobles pâtes de
> cacao et beurre de cacao. Il ne contient pas de poudre de
> cacao, ni de cacao maigre, mais uniquement de l'authentique
> pâte de cacao, faite à partir de fèves de qualité
> rigoureusement sélectionnées.Seul le beurre de cacao entre
> dans la composition de chocolat Montignac. Cette graisse a
> l'avantage de faire baisser le cholestérol et le chocolat
> devient alors, grâce aussi à ses tannins, un aliment qui a
> d'authentiques propriétés de prévention cardio-vasculaire.
>
>
>
>
> Le chocolat Montignac a l'avantage de ne pas contenir de
> sucre, qui est remplacé par le maltitol qui a un pouvoir
> sucrant équivalant à 90% du sucre. Ceci contribue à ce que
> ce chocolat face très peu augmenter la glycémie (taux de
> sucre dans le sang). Il a un index glycémique très bas vers
> 15. Ceci est un atout pour les diabétiques, pour ceux est
> celle qui veulent perdre du poids et pour les personnes qui
> ont tendance à faire de l'hypoglycémie.
>
> Notre savoir-faire a permis de donner au chocolat Montignac
> un goût exceptionnel qui en a étonné plus d'un ! Ce produit
> Montignac, qui allie diététique et gastronomie, est le seul
> parmi des dizaines proposées à Michel Montignac qui
> correspond rigoureusement à ses souhaits et s'intègre à 100%
> dans le cadre de sa méthode.

[Walter E.]

The French did not participate in our warmongering in Iraq. We
had to rely on the likes of Bulgaria to provide moral support.
Real patriots do not buy French products. ;-)

--
Walter - "Micheal" <smoothie@smoothsignals.com> wrote in
message news:3ed28a38_3@news1.vip.uk.com...
>
> "Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bau0ka$d66@library2.airnews.net...
>
> > I don't trust Weil:
> > http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if
> > he would
recommend
> > chocolate from France these days.
>
> Why do you wonder this? What's wrong with 'chocolate from
> France these days'?
>
> Micheal R.

[M. Schwart]

"Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> quacks like Dr. Weil.
>
> An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good laugh.
>
> As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this marvelous
> product, its nutritional *value* consists essentially of
> cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fats.
>
> May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great way
> to clog ones arteries.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a chocoholic. I
> love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does not seem to be
> compatible with long life.
>
> --
> Walter

Walter, I can assure you Dr. Weil is no quack. I am not sure
but there may not be any cholesterol in chocolate. Fat isn't
necessarily all bad. There are good fats and bad fats. I think
we should keep in mind
Dr. Weil is specifically talking about chocolate with a
minimum of 70 percent cocoa.

Anyone able to shed more light on this issue?

Mel

> - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message
> news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> > was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> > California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> > Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> > the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > than it did before.
> >
> > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> >
> > Mel

[Galya]

"Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...

Dear Walter,

I am glad that QuackWatch provides you the needed (and
probably justified) ammunition to fight your wife's flabs
and/or her large dental expenses, but remember: both have
rather to do with the sugar and the bad fats that are added in
the making of most chocolate bars,candies, and beverages and
with the amounts of choclate one eats. In case you have not
noticed, the subject of this thread is dark chocolate and dark
cocoa;-) QuackWatch isn't more/less reliable than Andrew Weil
therefore, if you are really interested in the subject I
suggest that you do your own research and reading on Medline.
The health qualities of cocoa don't mean that your battle is
lost because being a ‘chocolatier' (you said she is one) is to
dark chocolate what alcoholic is to healthy consumption of
some red wine or a small glass of alcoholic ‘adult
beverages';-).

galya

[M. Schwart]

galya@volcanomail.com (galya) wrote in message
news:<160201d6.0305261006.21f641d2@posting.google.com>...
> Hershey unsweetened baking chocolate is ~55% cocoa and as
> far as I recall, Hershey doesn't specify the % on the rest
> of its products but I bet they are all below 55%. At the
> same time the top well-known French and Belgic dark
> chocolates are above 70% (I said top because they also have
> dark chocolate bars that are less than 70%). You mostly find
> them in some health food stores, some Internet sites,
> William Sonoma sells a limited number of them, and in some
> specializing chocolate stores where the owner is real
> chocolatier;-).
>
> galya
>
There seems to be something about glycemic, sucre, and
prevention of cardio-vascular. Do you know what is being
said about those things? It looks like 85% cocoa or cacao is
used. Yes?

Can you translate the following:

Chocolat Montignac

Le chocolat a été longtemps diabolisé et pas la diététique
traditionnelle, alors que c'est un aliment d'un grand intérêt
nutritionnel. Mais ce n'est pas la fraction sucrée qui
intéressante, c'est surtout la partie "cacao" qui contient les
vertus du chocolat. Or, dans le chocolat Montignac, on a une
concentration exceptionnelle de cacao puisqu'elle est de 85% !

Le chocolat Montignac est fait selon une méthode
traditionnelle avec uniquement des produits nobles pâtes de
cacao et beurre de cacao. Il ne contient pas de poudre de
cacao, ni de cacao maigre, mais uniquement de l'authentique
pâte de cacao, faite à partir de fèves de qualité
rigoureusement sélectionnées.Seul le beurre de cacao entre
dans la composition de chocolat Montignac. Cette graisse a
l'avantage de faire baisser le cholestérol et le chocolat
devient alors, grâce aussi à ses tannins, un aliment qui a
d'authentiques propriétés de prévention cardio-vasculaire.

Le chocolat Montignac a l'avantage de ne pas contenir de
sucre, qui est remplacé par le maltitol qui a un pouvoir
sucrant équivalant à 90% du sucre. Ceci contribue à ce que ce
chocolat face très peu augmenter la glycémie (taux de sucre
dans le sang). Il a un index glycémique très bas vers 15. Ceci
est un atout pour les diabétiques, pour ceux est celle qui
veulent perdre du poids et pour les personnes qui ont tendance
à faire de l'hypoglycémie.

Notre savoir-faire a permis de donner au chocolat Montignac un
goût exceptionnel qui en a étonné plus d'un ! Ce produit
Montignac, qui allie diététique et gastronomie, est le seul
parmi des dizaines proposées à Michel Montignac qui correspond
rigoureusement à ses souhaits et s'intègre à 100% dans le
cadre de sa méthode.

[Moosh:)]

On 25 May 2003 11:13:53 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
Schwartz) wrote:

>I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
>speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
>was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate are
>good for your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness of
>platelets and reduce the danger of coronary artery blockages.
>This study is from the University of California at Davis
>where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a handful of
>semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and six
>hours later showed that the concentration of flavonoids had
>increased and that platelets took longer to clot after eating
>the chocolate than it did before.
>
>Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it from
> Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70 percent
> cocoa is fine.
>
>Anyone for dark chocolate?

But then 100mg aspirin works better and doesn't have all those
calories. That's unless you are short of calories.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On Mon, 26 May 2003 18:42:08 GMT, "Walter E."
<wer25@yahoo.com> wrote:

>This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of quacks
>like Dr. Weil.
>
>An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
>nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good laugh.
>
>As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this marvelous
>product, its nutritional *value* consists essentially of
>cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fats.

Who wrote the last sentence?

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On Mon, 26 May 2003 22:40:38 +0100, "Micheal"
<smoothie@smoothsignals.com> wrote:

>
>"Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bau0ka$d66@library2.airnews.net...
>
>> I don't trust Weil:
>> http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if he
>> would recommend chocolate from France these days.
>
>Why do you wonder this? What's wrong with 'chocolate from
>France these days'?

He's probably one of the idiots who have renamed French
fries, American fries, because the French were against the
most powerful nation in the world marching in and crushing
poor little tinpot Iraq to remover their WMD (weapons of
mass destruction) and control their oil. No wrath like a
bully thwarted.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On 26 May 2003 16:29:01 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
Schwartz) wrote:

>There are good fats and bad fats.

But fats have a univerasl problem in overfed communities --
they are very energy dense.

All fats are bad if they contribute to excess calories. The
fats found in wholefoods are generally fine if the diet is
varied. There is some advantage in removing much of the fat
from meat and dairy unless you are starving.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On 26 May 2003 19:05:40 -0700, galya@volcanomail.com
(galya) wrote:

>"Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>
>Dear Walter,
>
>I am glad that QuackWatch provides you the needed (and
>probably justified) ammunition to fight your wife's flabs
>and/or her large dental expenses, but remember: both have
>rather to do with the sugar and the bad fats that are added
>in the making of most chocolate bars,candies, and beverages
>and with the amounts of choclate one eats.

The amount of calories, actually. Quackwatch gives you a guide
to who to believe in the scientific advice area.

> In case you have not noticed, the subject of this thread is
> dark chocolate and dark cocoa;-)

Which has a lot of calories, I believe. Caffeine too?

>QuackWatch isn't more/less reliable than Andrew Weil
>therefore,

But Quackwatch tells us that Andrew Weil is to be read
cautiously. It tells us nothing of the benefits of chocolate.

>if you are really interested in the subject I suggest that
>you do your own research and reading on Medline.

Most folks who scour medline haven't got the basics to even
understand what they find. Many scientists in other fields
haven't either.

>The health qualities of cocoa don't mean that your battle is
>lost because being a ‘chocolatier' (you said she is one) is
>to dark chocolate what alcoholic is to healthy consumption of
>some red wine or a small glass of alcoholic ‘adult
>beverages';-).

The healthful properties of chocolate are nil save from the
general inclusion of a tiny amount in a varied, mostly
wholefood diet.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[M. Schwart]

"Moosh:)" <wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote in message
news:<9s36dv4nb069jqsvksudija7tdml4i5m13@4ax.com>...
> On 25 May 2003 11:13:53 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
> Schwartz) wrote:
>
> >I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> >speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> >was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> >are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> >stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> >artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> >California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> >adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> >Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> >the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> >platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> >than it did before.
> >
> >Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> >Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> But then 100mg aspirin works better and doesn't have all
> those calories. That's unless you are short of calories.
>
>
> "What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do
> Have 'em.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE
>
> Moosh:)

I think there needs to be some clarification regarding Dr.
Weil's recommendation of dark chocolate: Dr. Weil replied to
a question about eating chocolate and said that one ounce of
it is okay on an occasional basis. he went on about some
benefits eating dark chocolate but made it clear it is NOT a
health food.

Mel

[M. Schwart]

"Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> quacks like Dr. Weil.
>
> An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good laugh.
>
> As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this marvelous
> product, its nutritional *value* consists essentially of
> cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fats.

Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce serving of
dark chocolate, and notice there is NO cholesterol:

Per serving: 136 calories
13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
14.9 g carbohydrate
15.2 g protein
16.7 g fiber
17.1 mg sodium

Mel
>
> May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great way
> to clog ones arteries.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a chocoholic. I
> love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does not seem to be
> compatible with long life.
>
> --
> Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in
> message
> news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> > was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> > California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> > Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> > the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > than it did before.
> >
> > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> >
> > Mel

[Jeff Utz]

"Moosh:)" <wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote in message
news:6o76dvcvnhav8hdvlmsqi646mnfcodbll7@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 26 May 2003 22:40:38 +0100, "Micheal"
> <smoothie@smoothsignals.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:bau0ka$d66@library2.airnews.net...
> >
> >> I don't trust Weil:
> >> http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if he
> >> would
recommend
> >> chocolate from France these days.
> >
> >Why do you wonder this? What's wrong with 'chocolate from
> >France these days'?
>
> He's probably one of the idiots who have renamed French
> fries, American fries, because the French were against the
> most powerful nation in the world marching in and crushing
> poor little tinpot Iraq to remover their WMD (weapons of
> mass destruction) and control their oil. No wrath like a
> bully thwarted.
>

Actually, the wear renamed "Freedom Fries." France fought
beside us in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WWI & WWII.
(It was the battles that France fought in on the sea against
Britian that won us the war of 1812 - We didn't win a battle
until after the war was over - It took awhile a for the news
to hit New Orleans).

Millions of people from the US fought for the right of people
to have freedom of speech and freedom of thought. To deny this
to other nations is wrong. If France or Germany does not like
what the US does, they have the right to protest against us
and speak out against us. We are fighting to protect the
freedom of the Iraqis to speak; people in France and Germany
and the US have the right to speak out against the war too.

And it is downright sad the way Bush didn't prepare for
protecting the country after the war.

Jeff

>
> "What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do
> Have 'em.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE
>
> Moosh:)

[Heather]

"M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message
>
> Walter, I can assure you Dr. Weil is no quack. I am not sure
> but there may not be any cholesterol in chocolate. Fat isn't
> necessarily all bad. There are good fats and bad fats. I
> think we should keep in mind
> Dr. Weil is specifically talking about chocolate with a
> minimum of 70 percent cocoa.
>
> Anyone able to shed more light on this issue? Mel
>
>
There are some very interesting nutritional points about
chocolate mentioned on this site www.acu-cell.com/choc.html,
including the types of fats, sugar, and other health problems
associated with chocolate consumption. Also debunks some of
the studies that claim chocolate to be so healthy. Heather

[Micheal]

"Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bavm02$i6a@library2.
>
> Actually, the wear

Eh?

> renamed "Freedom Fries." France fought beside us

Us?

> in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WWI & WWII. (It was
> the battles that
France
> fought in on the sea against Britian that won us

US??

> the war of 1812 - We

WE??

> didn't win a battle until after the war was over - It took
> awhile a for the news
to
> hit New Orleans).

[snip]

Isn't it awful to see those most pathetic and regressive of
all historico-political phenomena - the Delusional Patriotic
'Us', the Idiot Historical 'We' - in a sci.* forum? The
survival of a vile and ludicrous
psychological atavism, folks. In my opinion, people should be
*horsewhipped* for using it.

Micheal R.

[Gene Haywo]

Aspirin is great if you like an increased risk of stomach
bleeding and macular degeneration.

"Moosh:)" <wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote in message
news:<9s36dv4nb069jqsvksudija7tdml4i5m13@4ax.com>...
> On 25 May 2003 11:13:53 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
> Schwartz) wrote:
>
> >I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> >speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> >was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> >are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> >stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> >artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> >California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> >adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> >Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> >the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> >platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> >than it did before.
> >
> >Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> >Anyone for dark chocolate?
>
> But then 100mg aspirin works better and doesn't have all
> those calories. That's unless you are short of calories.
>
>
> "What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do
> Have 'em.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE
>
> Moosh:)

[Martin L.]

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com>...
> "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> > quacks like Dr. Weil.
> >
> > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> > nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good
> > laugh.
> >
> > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
> > marvelous product, its nutritional *value* consists
> > essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol
> > and saturated fats.
>
> Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce serving
> of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO cholesterol:
>
> Per serving: 136 calories
> 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
> 17.9 g carbohydrate
> 1.2 g protein
> 1.7 g fiber
> 3.1 mg sodium
>
> Mel

Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the cholesterol in
your dieet that does you in, it's saturated fat. Chocolate is
loaded with
it.

> >
> > May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great
> > way to clog ones arteries.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a chocoholic.
> > I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does not seem to
> > be compatible with long life.
> >
> > --
> > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says
> > > there was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark
> > > chocolate are good for your heart. These compounds
> > > reduce the stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger
> > > of coronary artery blockages. This study is from the
> > > University of California at Davis where researchers
> > > asked 18 healthy adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet
> > > chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and six hours
> > > later showed that the concentration of flavonoids had
> > > increased and that platelets took longer to clot after
> > > eating the chocolate than it did before.
> > >
> > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > > percent cocoa is fine.
> > >
> > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > >
> > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

"Heather" <HLR@NotHome.Net> wrote in message
news:<3ed3d82c_2@news.cybersurf.net>...
> "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Walter, I can assure you Dr. Weil is no quack. I am not
> > sure but there may not be any cholesterol in chocolate.
> > Fat isn't necessarily all bad. There are good fats and bad
> > fats. I think we should keep in mind
> > Dr. Weil is specifically talking about chocolate with a
> > minimum of 70 percent cocoa.
> >
> > Anyone able to shed more light on this issue? Mel
> >
> >
> There are some very interesting nutritional points about
> chocolate mentioned on this site
> www.acu-cell.com/choc.html, including the types of fats,
> sugar, and other health problems associated with chocolate
> consumption. Also debunks some of the studies that claim
> chocolate to be so healthy. Heather

The link you provided does distinguish between lower grades
of chocolate and dark chocolate containing over 70 percent
cocoa. Also,
Dr. Weil suggests just a one ounce serving on an
occasional basis.

Mel

[Heather]

"M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message
>>
> > There are some very interesting nutritional points about
> > chocolate mentioned on this site
> > www.acu-cell.com/choc.html, including the types of fats,
> > sugar, and other health problems associated with chocolate
> > consumption. Also debunks some of the studies that claim
> > chocolate to be so healthy. Heather
>
> The link you provided does distinguish between lower grades
> of chocolate and dark chocolate containing over 70 percent
> cocoa. Also,
> Dr. Weil suggests just a one ounce serving on an occasional
> basis.
>
> Mel

You're right. Too bad I personally don't like the taste of
dark, bitter chocolate. The high copper content doesn't sound
like such a good idea either and seems to defeat some of the
beneficial effects of cocoa. That leaves sweetened milk
chocolate with all these unhealthy ingredients. As usual, my
taste buds are in a real dilemma here. Heather

[Gene Haywo]

There is no cholesterol in the cocoa portion of chocolate but
there may be some in the milk portion of "milk" chocolate. Not
all of the fat in chocolate is saturated. The major saturated
fatty acid in chocolate is stearic acid which does not clog
arteries and has been shown to be beneficial. Saturated fats
of plant origin are not accompanied by toxic arachidonic acid
as are fats of animal origin. Bottom line: The fats in
chocolate are overall, harmless.

"Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> quacks like Dr. Weil.
>
> An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good laugh.
>
> As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this marvelous
> product, its nutritional *value* consists essentially of
> cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fats.
>
> May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great way
> to clog ones arteries.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a chocoholic. I
> love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does not seem to be
> compatible with long life.
>
> --
> Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in
> message
> news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002 that
> > speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He says there
> > was a study indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > artery blockages. This study is from the University of
> > California at Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips.
> > Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed that
> > the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > than it did before.
> >
> > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from either
> > Belgium or France. He also says if you can't find it
> > from Belgium or France, then any brand containing 70
> > percent cocoa is fine.
> >
> > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> >
> > Mel

[Alf Christ]

On 27 May 2003 21:45:45 -0700, gehayw@hotmail.com (Gene
Haywood) wrote:

>There is no cholesterol in the cocoa portion of chocolate but
>there may be some in the milk portion of "milk" chocolate.
>Not all of the fat in chocolate is saturated. The major
>saturated fatty acid in chocolate is stearic acid which does
>not clog arteries and has been shown to be beneficial.
>Saturated fats of plant origin are not accompanied by toxic
>arachidonic acid as are fats of animal origin. Bottom line:
>The fats in chocolate are overall, harmless.

Agree. Stearic acid and palmitic acid do neither stimulate
protein kinase C, a key enzyme for trigging transport of
oxidiced LDL and oxidiced cholesterol through outer cell layer
of endothel in blood vessels. On the other side, linoleic acid
is the key trigger. Maybe that's how it reduce LDL in
circulation?? By removing it from blood vessels and increasing
the transcytosis of it, increasing plaque content?? Also
arachidonic acid stimulates, while alpha-linolenic acid is an
active inhibitor.

[Alf Christ]

On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:34:04 -0400, "Heather"
<HLR@NotHome.Net> wrote:

>You're right. Too bad I personally don't like the taste of
>dark, bitter chocolate. The high copper content doesn't sound
>like such

In many countries, copper intake is rather low and together
with wifh sugar intake, the low content of copper may even be
dangerous, which has been meantioned earlier. So maybe that
copper content in dark chocolate is part of the good things
(it is necessary for SOD, SuperOxide Dismutase, a key enzyme
in antioxidant system. But free, unbound copper may be
dangerous, since it, like iron, may participate in a
shuttling reaction, like Fenton reaction, where Cu cycle btw.
oxidation state I and II and may generate free radicals
during that process. Vit C is one of the potential helpers
which recycles it.

[taurusrc]

On Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:25 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
<kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't
>trust Weil:

Since you are prejudiced against Dr. Weil you might want to go
to Medline and do a search on platelets AND chocolate. I don't
really care that much about chocolate but am putting a
teaspoonful in a cup of coffee every day for a while and see
how it affects me.

I am using Nestle's Toll House Cocoa which is 100% pure cocoa.
Put a teaspoonful in about two ounces of water in a jar. Shake
vigorously until completely dissolved and then pour it into a
cup of coffee.

Ora

[Moosh:)]

On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:09 GMT, taurusrc@pacbell.net wrote:

>On Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:25 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
><kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't
>>trust Weil:
>
>Since you are prejudiced against Dr. Weil you might want to
>go to Medline and do a search on platelets AND chocolate. I
>don't really care that much about chocolate but am putting a
>teaspoonful in a cup of coffee every day for a while and see
>how it affects me.
>
>I am using Nestle's Toll House Cocoa which is 100% pure
>cocoa. Put a teaspoonful in about two ounces of water in a
>jar. Shake vigorously until completely dissolved and then
>pour it into a cup of coffee.

And how do you expect this to affect you?

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On 27 May 2003 21:45:45 -0700, gehayw@hotmail.com (Gene
Haywood) wrote:

>There is no cholesterol in the cocoa portion of chocolate but
>there may be some in the milk portion of "milk" chocolate.
>Not all of the fat in chocolate is saturated. The major
>saturated fatty acid in chocolate is stearic acid which does
>not clog arteries and has been shown to be beneficial.
>Saturated fats of plant origin are not accompanied by toxic
>arachidonic acid as are fats of animal origin. Bottom line:
>The fats in chocolate are overall, harmless.

What about the calories, for the overweight?

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On 27 May 2003 21:35:04 -0700, gehayw@hotmail.com (Gene
Haywood) wrote:

>Aspirin is great if you like an increased risk of stomach
>bleeding and macular degeneration.

One hundred milligrams on a full stomach will cause problems
in these areas in a tiny fraction of the population. Check
with your doctor.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On 27 May 2003 19:33:48 -0700, MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin
L. Graham) wrote:

>schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
>news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com>...
>> "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>> > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
>> > quacks like Dr. Weil.
>> >
>> > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
>> > nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good
>> > laugh.
>> >
>> > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
>> > marvelous product, its nutritional *value* consists
>> > essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol
>> > and saturated fats.
>>
>> Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce serving
>> of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO cholesterol:
>>
>> Per serving: 136 calories
>> 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
>> 17.9 g carbohydrate
>> 1.2 g protein
>> 1.7 g fiber
>> 3.1 mg sodium
>>
>> Mel
>
>Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the cholesterol in
>your diet that does you in, it's saturated fat. Chocolate is
>loaded with
>it.

You mean the emperor IS nekkid? :)

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[M. Schwart]

MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting.google.com>...
> schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com>...
> > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> > > quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > >
> > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> > > nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good
> > > laugh.
> > >
> > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
> > > marvelous product, its nutritional *value* consists
> > > essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high in cholesterol
> > > and saturated fats.
> >
> > Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce
> > serving of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO
> > cholesterol:
> >
> > Per serving: 136 calories
> > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
> > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > 1.2 g protein
> > 1.7 g fiber
> > 3.1 mg sodium
> >
> > Mel
>
> Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the cholesterol
> in your dieet that does you in, it's saturated fat.
> Chocolate is loaded with
> it.

The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid which
does not do you harm, although I am not advocating huge
quantities. If you look at the 13.5 total grams of fat and
see that 5 grams is saturated and 8.5 grams is monosaturated,
then you can see that it is not any worse than having a piece
of cheese, and not much worse than having a tablespoon of
olive oil.

What evidence can you present to back up your statement that
Dr. Weil is a quack?

Mel

>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful. Great
> > > way to clog ones arteries.
> > >
> > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it does
> > > not seem to be compatible with long life.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002
> > > > that speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He
> > > > says there was a study indicating that flavonoids in
> > > > dark chocolate are good for your heart. These
> > > > compounds reduce the stickiness of platelets and
> > > > reduce the danger of coronary artery blockages. This
> > > > study is from the University of California at Davis
> > > > where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> > > > handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests
> > > > conducted two and six hours later showed that the
> > > > concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > > > platelets took longer to clot after eating the
> > > > chocolate than it did before.
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from
> > > > either Belgium or France. He also says if you
> > > > can't find it from Belgium or France, then any
> > > > brand containing 70 percent cocoa is fine.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > >
> > > > Mel

[Moosh:)]

On Tue, 27 May 2003 08:35:15 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
<kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Moosh:)" <wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote in message
>news:6o76dvcvnhav8hdvlmsqi646mnfcodbll7@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 May 2003 22:40:38 +0100, "Micheal"
>> <smoothie@smoothsignals.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Jeff Utz" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bau0ka$d66@library2.airnews.net...
>> >
>> >> I don't trust Weil:
>> >> http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html. I wonder if
>> >> he would
>recommend
>> >> chocolate from France these days.
>> >
>> >Why do you wonder this? What's wrong with 'chocolate from
>> >France these days'?
>>
>> He's probably one of the idiots who have renamed French
>> fries, American fries, because the French were against the
>> most powerful nation in the world marching in and crushing
>> poor little tinpot Iraq to remover their WMD (weapons of
>> mass destruction) and control their oil. No wrath like a
>> bully thwarted.
>>
>
>Actually, the wear renamed "Freedom Fries." France fought
>beside us in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WWI & WWII.
>(It was the battles that France fought in on the sea against
>Britian that won us the war of 1812 - We didn't win a battle
>until after the war was over - It took awhile a for the news
>to hit New Orleans).
>
>Millions of people from the US fought for the right of people
>to have freedom of speech and freedom of thought. To deny
>this to other nations is wrong. If France or Germany does not
>like what the US does, they have the right to protest against
>us and speak out against us. We are fighting to protect the
>freedom of the Iraqis to speak;

Bullshit!!! You went in to take away the weapons of mass
destruction. Where are they? Iraq was such a threat to the
world and a smallish expeditionary force squashed it in about
a week. Where is the threat to the world? Where are the
terrorists?

>people in France and Germany and the US have the right to
>speak out against the war too.

So why did Colin Powell say the French would "pay" for their
non-cooperation?

>And it is downright sad the way Bush didn't prepare for
>protecting the country after the war.

Or even that he went in against the UN wishes.

Moosh:)

[Ob-1]

"Moosh:)" wrote:

> On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:09 GMT, taurusrc@pacbell.net
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:25 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
> ><kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't
> >>trust Weil:
> >
> >Since you are prejudiced against Dr. Weil you might want to
> >go to Medline and do a search on platelets AND chocolate. I
> >don't really care that much about chocolate but am putting
> >a teaspoonful in a cup of coffee every day for a while and
> >see how it affects me.
> >
> >I am using Nestle's Toll House Cocoa which is 100% pure
> >cocoa. Put a teaspoonful in about two ounces of water in a
> >jar. Shake vigorously until completely dissolved and then
> >pour it into a cup of coffee.
>
> And how do you expect this to affect you?
>
> "What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do
> Have 'em.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE
>
> Moosh:)

Chocolate is LESS harmful than coffee. It's the TOTAL
caffeine that has to be watched as BOTH contain same. The
maximum Caffeine allowable in any 6 hour period is 350 mg,
That's one and one half rounded teaspoons or one average
calibrated coffee scoop use d per one average coffee cup of
water. (The small #1 drip maker is a good choice)

The Caffeine curve of Coffee is so STEEP as to be easy to
exceed. It goes up to a sharp point then down immediately. If
used with effedrine...it becomes slow HUMP that last 6 hrs for
driving long distances. This however wears off and is
in-effective after 5 tries. Then lay of for 3 to5 days so the
body can re-adjust to normal.

Black Teas are a second choice as an average ounce of Black
tea has about 70 mg of Caffeine without the acid kick. Tea
acids are mild by comparison, Black teas however are simply a
BOOST and no more. ALL of the valuable poly phenols are
destroyed in the hot roasting processes. The "acid" flavors
also leave for the most part. Green Tea is a better source of
USABLE nutrition that treats the brain with love. Oolong teas
are ever so slightly reduced but insignificantly. Usually
Eucalyptus leaves are the "smoking" source.

I use both mixed with blended Green Teas from many countries
as the variable soils add to each their special nuances. The
ever popular TEMPLE Oolong teas give a nuance of their own.
The 16 herbal blend does a job of its own as well. That's
where my eyesight came from as I'd be dead Blind by now if I
had let the normal ocular sequences take their tolls. IF you
have an onset of cataracts, for heaven's sake g contact me
so I can side-track it back into normalcy for you.
Blessings. B-0b1
--
Worlds’ largest producer of Lin Xhi (Kombucha) Synergisms

Homogenizing milk KILLS! Over 1 million Autopsies do not
lie...

[taurusrc]

On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:19:58 GMT, "Moosh:)"
<wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:09 GMT, taurusrc@pacbell.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:25 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
>><kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't
>>>trust Weil:
>>
>>Since you are prejudiced against Dr. Weil you might want to
>>go to Medline and do a search on platelets AND chocolate. I
>>don't really care that much about chocolate but am putting a
>>teaspoonful in a cup of coffee every day for a while and see
>>how it affects me.
>>
>>I am using Nestle's Toll House Cocoa which is 100% pure
>>cocoa. Put a teaspoonful in about two ounces of water in a
>>jar. Shake vigorously until completely dissolved and then
>>pour it into a cup of coffee.
>
>And how do you expect this to affect you?

I would expect it to work as well as an aspirin daily.

Ora

[Martin L.]

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.com>...
> MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting.google.com>...
> > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com>...
> > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much of
> > > > quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > >
> > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons produces
> > > > nothing but hogwash but it is certainly worth a good
> > > > laugh.
> > > >
> > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
> > > > marvelous product, its nutritional *value* consists
> > > > essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high in
> > > > cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > >
> > > Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce
> > > serving of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO
> > > cholesterol:
> > >
> > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
> > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > 1.2 g protein
> > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > >
> > > Mel
> >
> > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the cholesterol
> > in your dieet that does you in, it's saturated fat.
> > Chocolate is loaded with
> > it.
>
> The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid which
> does not do you harm, although I am not advocating huge
> quantities. If you look at the 13.5 total grams of fat and
> see that 5 grams is saturated and 8.5 grams is
> monosaturated, then you can see that it is not any worse
> than having a piece of cheese, and not much worse than
> having a tablespoon of olive oil.

Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is hardly a
health food, and people with a predilections to heart disease
are much better off eating low-calorie, low-fat foods such as
vegetables and fruits.
>
> What evidence can you present to back up your statement that
> Dr. Weil is a quack?

Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.

Regards,

Martin Graham

>
> Mel
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful.
> > > > Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > >
> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it
> > > > does not seem to be compatible with long life.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote
> > > > in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.-
> > > > google.com...
> > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in 2002
> > > > > that speaks quite favorably about dark chocolate. He
> > > > > says there was a study indicating that flavonoids in
> > > > > dark chocolate are good for your heart. These
> > > > > compounds reduce the stickiness of platelets and
> > > > > reduce the danger of coronary artery blockages. This
> > > > > study is from the University of California at Davis
> > > > > where researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> > > > > handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests
> > > > > conducted two and six hours later showed that the
> > > > > concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > > > > platelets took longer to clot after eating the
> > > > > chocolate than it did before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from
> > > > > either Belgium or France. He also says if you
> > > > > can't find it from Belgium or France, then any
> > > > > brand containing 70 percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
news:<a347ee6b.0305291821.1b9daee0@posting.google.com>...
> schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> news:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.com>...
> > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> > news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting.google.com>...
> > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message ne-
> > > ws:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com>...
> > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought much
> > > > > of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > >
> > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is certainly
> > > > > worth a good laugh.
> > > > >
> > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
> > > > > marvelous product, its nutritional *value* consists
> > > > > essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high in
> > > > > cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce
> > > > serving of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO
> > > > cholesterol:
> > > >
> > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
> > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > >
> > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > it.
> >
> > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid which
> > does not do you harm, although I am not advocating huge
> > quantities. If you look at the 13.5 total grams of fat and
> > see that 5 grams is saturated and 8.5 grams is
> > monosaturated, then you can see that it is not any worse
> > than having a piece of cheese, and not much worse than
> > having a tablespoon of olive oil.
>
> Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is hardly a
> health food, and people with a predilections to heart
> disease are much better off eating low-calorie, low-fat
> foods such as vegetables and fruits.
> >
> > What evidence can you present to back up your statement
> > that Dr. Weil is a quack?
>
> Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Graham

No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think it is
important to distinguish between the various chocolate
products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating only dark
chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70% and just one
ounce on an occasional basis. He does not suggest chocolate as
a health food, but does say that eating an occasional ounce
will not do you any harm.

That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
argument that
Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a quack?

Mel
>
>
> >
> > Mel
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful.
> > > > > Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately it
> > > > > does not seem to be compatible with long life.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote
> > > > > in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@postin-
> > > > > g.google.com...
> > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in
> > > > > > 2002 that speaks quite favorably about dark
> > > > > > chocolate. He says there was a study indicating
> > > > > > that flavonoids in dark chocolate are good for
> > > > > > your heart. These compounds reduce the stickiness
> > > > > > of platelets and reduce the danger of coronary
> > > > > > artery blockages. This study is from the
> > > > > > University of California at Davis where
> > > > > > researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> > > > > > handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests
> > > > > > conducted two and six hours later showed that the
> > > > > > concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> > > > > > platelets took longer to clot after eating the
> > > > > > chocolate than it did before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate from
> > > > > > either Belgium or France. He also says if you
> > > > > > can't find it from Belgium or France, then any
> > > > > > brand containing 70 percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel

[Martin L.]

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
news:<30844e51.0305300500.33433d94@posting.google.com>...
> MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> news:<a347ee6b.0305291821.1b9daee0@posting.google.com>...
> > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > news:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.com>...
> > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
> > > message news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting.googl-
> > > e.com>...
> > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > > > news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@posting.google.com-
> > > > >...
> > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message news-
> > > > > :<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought
> > > > > > much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is certainly
> > > > > > worth a good laugh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of this
> > > > > > marvelous product, its nutritional *value*
> > > > > > consists essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely high
> > > > > > in cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one ounce
> > > > > serving of dark chocolate, and notice there is NO
> > > > > cholesterol:
> > > > >
> > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg cholesterol
> > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > >
> > > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid
> > > which does not do you harm, although I am not advocating
> > > huge quantities. If you look at the 13.5 total grams of
> > > fat and see that 5 grams is saturated and 8.5 grams is
> > > monosaturated, then you can see that it is not any worse
> > > than having a piece of cheese, and not much worse than
> > > having a tablespoon of olive oil.
> >
> > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> > represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is hardly
> > a health food, and people with a predilections to heart
> > disease are much better off eating low-calorie, low-fat
> > foods such as vegetables and fruits.
> > >
> > > What evidence can you present to back up your statement
> > > that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> >
> > Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martin Graham
>
> No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think it is
> important to distinguish between the various chocolate
> products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating only dark
> chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70% and just one
> ounce on an occasional basis. He does not suggest chocolate
> as a health food, but does say that eating an occasional
> ounce will not do you any harm.

Here's his quote from
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html:

"Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes a
pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant drug that
can affect some people adversely, but it has an acceptable fat
content and protective phytochemicals with antioxidant
activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium and France is
particularly good."

I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement. It
seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that is loaded
with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on that point,
but he does mention that is has "protective phytochemicals
with antioxidant activity. " He does make it sound like a
health food.

>
> That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> argument that
> Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a
> quack?
>
> Mel

If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not sure
anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll let others
read the Web site and judge for themselves.

Regards,

Martin Graham
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mel
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the spoonful.
> > > > > > Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately
> > > > > > it does not seem to be compatible with long life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com>
> > > > > > wrote in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6-
> > > > > > f@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in
> > > > > > > 2002 that speaks quite favorably about dark
> > > > > > > chocolate. He says there was a study indicating
> > > > > > > that flavonoids in dark chocolate are good for
> > > > > > > your heart. These compounds reduce the
> > > > > > > stickiness of platelets and reduce the danger of
> > > > > > > coronary artery blockages. This study is from
> > > > > > > the University of California at Davis where
> > > > > > > researchers asked 18 healthy adults to eat a
> > > > > > > handful of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood
> > > > > > > tests conducted two and six hours later showed
> > > > > > > that the concentration of flavonoids had
> > > > > > > increased and that platelets took longer to clot
> > > > > > > after eating the chocolate than it did before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate
> > > > > > > from either Belgium or France. He also says
> > > > > > > if you can't find it from Belgium or France,
> > > > > > > then any brand containing 70 percent cocoa
> > > > > > > is fine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
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> > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> > news:<a347ee6b.0305291821.1b9daee0@posting.google.com>...
> > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message ne-
> > > ws:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.com>...
> > > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
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> > > > gle.com>...
> > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> > > > > om>...
> > > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message ne-
> > > > > > ws:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>.-
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought
> > > > > > > much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is certainly
> > > > > > > worth a good laugh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of
> > > > > > > this marvelous product, its nutritional *value*
> > > > > > > consists essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely
> > > > > > > high in cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one
> > > > > > ounce serving of dark chocolate, and notice there
> > > > > > is NO cholesterol:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg
> > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > >
> > > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid
> > > > which does not do you harm, although I am not
> > > > advocating huge quantities. If you look at the 13.5
> > > > total grams of fat and see that 5 grams is saturated
> > > > and 8.5 grams is monosaturated, then you can see that
> > > > it is not any worse than having a piece of cheese, and
> > > > not much worse than having a tablespoon of olive oil.
> > >
> > > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> > > represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is
> > > hardly a health food, and people with a predilections to
> > > heart disease are much better off eating low-calorie,
> > > low-fat foods such as vegetables and fruits.
> > > >
> > > > What evidence can you present to back up your
> > > > statement that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> > >
> > > Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Martin Graham
> >
> > No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think it
> > is important to distinguish between the various chocolate
> > products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating only dark
> > chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70% and just
> > one ounce on an occasional basis. He does not suggest
> > chocolate as a health food, but does say that eating an
> > occasional ounce will not do you any harm.
>
> Here's his quote from
> http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html:
>
> "Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes a
> pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant drug that
> can affect some people adversely, but it has an acceptable
> fat content and protective phytochemicals with antioxidant
> activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium and France is
> particularly good."
>
> I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement. It
> seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that is
> loaded with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on that
> point, but he does mention that is has "protective
> phytochemicals with antioxidant activity. " He does make it
> sound like a health food.
>
> >
> > That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> > argument that
> > Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a
> > quack?
> >
> > Mel
>
> If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not sure
> anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll let others
> read the Web site and judge for themselves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Graham

That is not the entire quote. You have taken a portion out of
context. Unfortunately the site is down and I cannot locate
the Q & A from where it came. I will get that ENTIRE quote and
post it here. I am certain Dr. Weil says he does not consider
chocolate a health food. I think it's clear to those who are
impartial that he is saying a one ounce piece of chocolate
occasionally will not do you any harm. The question came from
someone who wanted to give her mother a box of chocolates and
Dr. Weil assured her it would be okay if she got dark
chocolate from either Belgium or France or locally with at
least 70% cocoa. Again, he advises a one ounce portion on an
occasional basis.

Mel
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the
> > > > > > > spoonful. Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately
> > > > > > > it does not seem to be compatible with long
> > > > > > > life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com>
> > > > > > > wrote in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0e-
> > > > > > > a6f@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in
> > > > > > > > 2002 that speaks quite favorably about dark
> > > > > > > > chocolate. He says there was a study
> > > > > > > > indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > are good for your heart. These compounds
> > > > > > > > reduce the stickiness of platelets and reduce
> > > > > > > > the danger of coronary artery blockages. This
> > > > > > > > study is from the University of California at
> > > > > > > > Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > > > > > > > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet
> > > > > > > > chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and
> > > > > > > > six hours later showed that the concentration
> > > > > > > > of flavonoids had increased and that platelets
> > > > > > > > took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > > > > > > > than it did before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > from either Belgium or France. He also
> > > > > > > > says if you can't find it from Belgium or
> > > > > > > > France, then any brand containing 70
> > > > > > > > percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

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> > > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
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> > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> > > > > om>...
> > > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message ne-
> > > > > > ws:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>.-
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought
> > > > > > > much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is certainly
> > > > > > > worth a good laugh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of
> > > > > > > this marvelous product, its nutritional *value*
> > > > > > > consists essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely
> > > > > > > high in cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one
> > > > > > ounce serving of dark chocolate, and notice there
> > > > > > is NO cholesterol:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg
> > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > >
> > > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid
> > > > which does not do you harm, although I am not
> > > > advocating huge quantities. If you look at the 13.5
> > > > total grams of fat and see that 5 grams is saturated
> > > > and 8.5 grams is monosaturated, then you can see that
> > > > it is not any worse than having a piece of cheese, and
> > > > not much worse than having a tablespoon of olive oil.
> > >
> > > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> > > represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is
> > > hardly a health food, and people with a predilections to
> > > heart disease are much better off eating low-calorie,
> > > low-fat foods such as vegetables and fruits.
> > > >
> > > > What evidence can you present to back up your
> > > > statement that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> > >
> > > Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Martin Graham
> >
> > No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think it
> > is important to distinguish between the various chocolate
> > products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating only dark
> > chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70% and just
> > one ounce on an occasional basis. He does not suggest
> > chocolate as a health food, but does say that eating an
> > occasional ounce will not do you any harm.
>
> Here's his quote from
> http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html:
>
> "Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes a
> pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant drug that
> can affect some people adversely, but it has an acceptable
> fat content and protective phytochemicals with antioxidant
> activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium and France is
> particularly good."
>
> I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement. It
> seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that is
> loaded with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on that
> point, but he does mention that is has "protective
> phytochemicals with antioxidant activity. " He does make it
> sound like a health food.

Here is the entire quote from the Q & A part of Dr.
Weil's website:

DrWeil.com

Question::

I was surprised to see an ad for your new cookbook listing
chocolate among the snacks you recommend. Does that mean it is
okay to give my mom chocolates for Mother's Day?

Answer::

I do recommend a piece of good quality dark chocolate as a
healthy snack as long as you don't go overboard. An ounce or
two a few times a week won't hurt you. In fact, while I
wouldn't call chocolate a health food, it is a source of
polyphenols, the same type of antioxidants found in red wine,
and the fat it contains is stearic acid, which doesn't affect
cholesterol levels. The latest good news for chocolate lovers
comes from a study indicating that flavonoids in dark
chocolate are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
stickiness of platelets, cells that play an important role in
blood clotting. As a result, blood takes longer to clot,
reducing the danger of coronary artery blockages.

The new findings about chocolate come from a study at the
University of California at Davis where researchers asked 18
healthy adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate
chips. Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed
that the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate than
it did before.

Still unresolved is the question of why so many people, mainly
women, crave chocolate. Compounds in chocolate similar to
those in marijuana are probably not to blame because amounts
are so small that you would have to eat pounds of chocolate at
once to get an effect. A more recent study suggests that this
common "addiction" may be culturally based since women all
over the world don't respond to chocolate in the same way.

If your mother enjoys chocolates, go ahead and give her a box
for Mother's Day. But make it a really special treat and get
the good stuff -- dark chocolate imported from Belgium or
France is so richly delicious that a single piece as a snack
or after-dinner treat will be more than satisfying. If you
can't find good imported chocolate locally, any brand
containing at least 70 percent cocoa is fine.

Dr. Andrew Weil

By the way, I couldn't access the link you provided because it
came up page Expired.

Mel

>
> >
> > That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> > argument that
> > Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a
> > quack?
> >
> > Mel
>
> If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not sure
> anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll let others
> read the Web site and judge for themselves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Graham
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the
> > > > > > > spoonful. Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately
> > > > > > > it does not seem to be compatible with long
> > > > > > > life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com>
> > > > > > > wrote in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0e-
> > > > > > > a6f@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in
> > > > > > > > 2002 that speaks quite favorably about dark
> > > > > > > > chocolate. He says there was a study
> > > > > > > > indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > are good for your heart. These compounds
> > > > > > > > reduce the stickiness of platelets and reduce
> > > > > > > > the danger of coronary artery blockages. This
> > > > > > > > study is from the University of California at
> > > > > > > > Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > > > > > > > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet
> > > > > > > > chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and
> > > > > > > > six hours later showed that the concentration
> > > > > > > > of flavonoids had increased and that platelets
> > > > > > > > took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > > > > > > > than it did before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > from either Belgium or France. He also
> > > > > > > > says if you can't find it from Belgium or
> > > > > > > > France, then any brand containing 70
> > > > > > > > percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

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> > > > gle.com>...
> > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> > > > > om>...
> > > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message ne-
> > > > > > ws:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.com>.-
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought
> > > > > > > much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is certainly
> > > > > > > worth a good laugh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of
> > > > > > > this marvelous product, its nutritional *value*
> > > > > > > consists essentially of cocoa fat: Extremely
> > > > > > > high in cholesterol and saturated fats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one
> > > > > > ounce serving of dark chocolate, and notice there
> > > > > > is NO cholesterol:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg
> > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > >
> > > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid
> > > > which does not do you harm, although I am not
> > > > advocating huge quantities. If you look at the 13.5
> > > > total grams of fat and see that 5 grams is saturated
> > > > and 8.5 grams is monosaturated, then you can see that
> > > > it is not any worse than having a piece of cheese, and
> > > > not much worse than having a tablespoon of olive oil.
> > >
> > > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> > > represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is
> > > hardly a health food, and people with a predilections to
> > > heart disease are much better off eating low-calorie,
> > > low-fat foods such as vegetables and fruits.
> > > >
> > > > What evidence can you present to back up your
> > > > statement that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> > >
> > > Plenty. Go to http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Martin Graham
> >
> > No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think it
> > is important to distinguish between the various chocolate
> > products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating only dark
> > chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70% and just
> > one ounce on an occasional basis. He does not suggest
> > chocolate as a health food, but does say that eating an
> > occasional ounce will not do you any harm.
>
> Here's his quote from
> http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html:
>
> "Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes a
> pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant drug that
> can affect some people adversely, but it has an acceptable
> fat content and protective phytochemicals with antioxidant
> activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium and France is
> particularly good."
>
> I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement. It
> seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that is
> loaded with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on that
> point, but he does mention that is has "protective
> phytochemicals with antioxidant activity. " He does make it
> sound like a health food.

Here is the entire quote from the Q & A part of Dr.
Weil's website:

DrWeil.com

Question::

I was surprised to see an ad for your new cookbook listing
chocolate among the snacks you recommend. Does that mean it is
okay to give my mom chocolates for Mother's Day?

Answer::

I do recommend a piece of good quality dark chocolate as a
healthy snack as long as you don't go overboard. An ounce or
two a few times a week won't hurt you. In fact, while I
wouldn't call chocolate a health food, it is a source of
polyphenols, the same type of antioxidants found in red wine,
and the fat it contains is stearic acid, which doesn't affect
cholesterol levels. The latest good news for chocolate lovers
comes from a study indicating that flavonoids in dark
chocolate are good for your heart. These compounds reduce the
stickiness of platelets, cells that play an important role in
blood clotting. As a result, blood takes longer to clot,
reducing the danger of coronary artery blockages.

The new findings about chocolate come from a study at the
University of California at Davis where researchers asked 18
healthy adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate
chips. Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed
that the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate than
it did before.

Still unresolved is the question of why so many people, mainly
women, crave chocolate. Compounds in chocolate similar to
those in marijuana are probably not to blame because amounts
are so small that you would have to eat pounds of chocolate at
once to get an effect. A more recent study suggests that this
common "addiction" may be culturally based since women all
over the world don't respond to chocolate in the same way.

If your mother enjoys chocolates, go ahead and give her a box
for Mother's Day. But make it a really special treat and get
the good stuff -- dark chocolate imported from Belgium or
France is so richly delicious that a single piece as a snack
or after-dinner treat will be more than satisfying. If you
can't find good imported chocolate locally, any brand
containing at least 70 percent cocoa is fine.

Dr. Andrew Weil

By the way, I couldn't access the link you provided:
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html
because it came up page Expired.

Now we can let others judge for themselves. Calling someone
a quack is a fairly serious accusation, unless one is prone
to using the term rather loosely, or without proof and only
with bias.

Mel

>
> >
> > That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> > argument that
> > Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a
> > quack?
> >
> > Mel
>
> If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not sure
> anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll let others
> read the Web site and judge for themselves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Graham
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the
> > > > > > > spoonful. Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too. Unfortunately
> > > > > > > it does not seem to be compatible with long
> > > > > > > life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com>
> > > > > > > wrote in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a0e-
> > > > > > > a6f@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated in
> > > > > > > > 2002 that speaks quite favorably about dark
> > > > > > > > chocolate. He says there was a study
> > > > > > > > indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > are good for your heart. These compounds
> > > > > > > > reduce the stickiness of platelets and reduce
> > > > > > > > the danger of coronary artery blockages. This
> > > > > > > > study is from the University of California at
> > > > > > > > Davis where researchers asked 18 healthy
> > > > > > > > adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet
> > > > > > > > chocolate chips. Blood tests conducted two and
> > > > > > > > six hours later showed that the concentration
> > > > > > > > of flavonoids had increased and that platelets
> > > > > > > > took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> > > > > > > > than it did before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > from either Belgium or France. He also
> > > > > > > > says if you can't find it from Belgium or
> > > > > > > > France, then any brand containing 70
> > > > > > > > percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mel

[Moosh:)]

On Thu, 29 May 2003 20:08:02 GMT, taurusrc@pacbell.net wrote:

>On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:19:58 GMT, "Moosh:)"
><wooo@wooo.wooo> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:09 GMT, taurusrc@pacbell.net
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:25 -0400, "Jeff Utz"
>>><kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I love chocolate, especially Dark Chocolate. I don't
>>>>trust Weil:
>>>
>>>Since you are prejudiced against Dr. Weil you might want to
>>>go to Medline and do a search on platelets AND chocolate. I
>>>don't really care that much about chocolate but am putting
>>>a teaspoonful in a cup of coffee every day for a while and
>>>see how it affects me.
>>>
>>>I am using Nestle's Toll House Cocoa which is 100% pure
>>>cocoa. Put a teaspoonful in about two ounces of water in a
>>>jar. Shake vigorously until completely dissolved and then
>>>pour it into a cup of coffee.
>>
>>And how do you expect this to affect you?
>
>
>I would expect it to work as well as an aspirin daily.

I wouldn't count on it.

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[M. Schwart]

> Chocolate is LESS harmful than coffee. It's the TOTAL
> caffeine that has to be watched as BOTH contain same. The
> maximum Caffeine allowable in any 6 hour period is 350 mg,
> That's one and one half rounded teaspoons or one average
> calibrated coffee scoop use d per one average coffee cup
> of water. (The small #1 drip maker is a good choice)
>
> The Caffeine curve of Coffee is so STEEP as to be easy to
> exceed. It goes up to a sharp point then down immediately.
> If used with effedrine...it becomes slow HUMP that last 6
> hrs for driving long distances. This however wears off and
> is in-effective after 5 tries. Then lay of for 3 to5 days so
> the body can re-adjust to normal.
>
> Black Teas are a second choice as an average ounce of Black
> tea has about 70 mg of Caffeine without the acid kick. Tea
> acids are mild by comparison, Black teas however are simply
> a BOOST and no more. ALL of the valuable poly phenols are
> destroyed in the hot roasting processes. The "acid" flavors
> also leave for the most part. Green Tea is a better source
> of USABLE nutrition that treats the brain with love. Oolong
> teas are ever so slightly reduced but insignificantly.
> Usually Eucalyptus leaves are the "smoking" source.
>
> I use both mixed with blended Green Teas from many countries
> as the variable soils add to each their special nuances. The
> ever popular TEMPLE Oolong teas give a nuance of their own.
> The 16 herbal blend does a job of its own as well. That's
> where my eyesight came from as I'd be dead Blind by now if I
> had let the normal ocular sequences take their tolls. IF you
> have an onset of cataracts, for heaven's sake g contact me
> so I can side-track it back into normalcy for you.
> Blessings. B-0b

Do you buy green tea in the form of tea bags or loose?

Mel

[Martin L.]

schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> news:<a347ee6b.0305301625.49c72d3d@posting.google.com>...
> > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > news:<30844e51.0305300500.33433d94@posting.google.com>...
> > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
> > > message news:<a347ee6b.0305291821.1b9daee0@posting.goog-
> > > le.com>...
> > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > > > news:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.com-
> > > > >...
> > > > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
> > > > > message news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting.g-
> > > > > oogle.com>...
> > > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in
> > > > > > message news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@postin-
> > > > > > g.google.com>...
> > > > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr.c-
> > > > > > > om>...
> > > > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever thought
> > > > > > > > much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18 persons
> > > > > > > > produces nothing but hogwash but it is
> > > > > > > > certainly worth a good laugh.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker of
> > > > > > > > this marvelous product, its nutritional
> > > > > > > > *value* consists essentially of cocoa fat:
> > > > > > > > Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated
> > > > > > > > fats.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one
> > > > > > > ounce serving of dark chocolate, and notice
> > > > > > > there is NO cholesterol:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg
> > > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic acid
> > > > > which does not do you harm, although I am not
> > > > > advocating huge quantities. If you look at the 13.5
> > > > > total grams of fat and see that 5 grams is saturated
> > > > > and 8.5 grams is monosaturated, then you can see
> > > > > that it is not any worse than having a piece of
> > > > > cheese, and not much worse than having a tablespoon
> > > > > of olive oil.
> > > >
> > > > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic acid
> > > > represents only about 35% of its fat content. It is
> > > > hardly a health food, and people with a predilections
> > > > to heart disease are much better off eating
> > > > low-calorie, low-fat foods such as vegetables and
> > > > fruits.
> > > > >
> > > > > What evidence can you present to back up your
> > > > > statement that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> > > >
> > > > Plenty. Go to
> > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin Graham
> > >
> > > No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think
> > > it is important to distinguish between the various
> > > chocolate products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating
> > > only dark chocolate with a cocoa content of at least 70%
> > > and just one ounce on an occasional basis. He does not
> > > suggest chocolate as a health food, but does say that
> > > eating an occasional ounce will not do you any harm.
> >
> > Here's his quote from http://www.randomhouse.com/features-
> > /drweil/questions.html:
> >
> > "Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes a
> > pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant drug
> > that can affect some people adversely, but it has an
> > acceptable fat content and protective phytochemicals with
> > antioxidant activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium and
> > France is particularly good."
> >
> > I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement. It
> > seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that is
> > loaded with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on that
> > point, but he does mention that is has "protective
> > phytochemicals with antioxidant activity. " He does make
> > it sound like a health food.
>
> Here is the entire quote from the Q & A part of Dr. Weil's
> website:
>
> DrWeil.com
>
>
>
> Question::
>
> I was surprised to see an ad for your new cookbook listing
> chocolate among the snacks you recommend. Does that mean it
> is okay to give my mom chocolates for Mother's Day?
>
> Answer::
>
>
> I do recommend a piece of good quality dark chocolate as a
> healthy snack as long as you don't go overboard. An ounce or
> two a few times a week won't hurt you. In fact, while I
> wouldn't call chocolate a health food, it is a source of
> polyphenols, the same type of antioxidants found in red
> wine, and the fat it contains is stearic acid, which doesn't
> affect cholesterol levels. The latest good news for
> chocolate lovers comes from a study indicating that
> flavonoids in dark chocolate are good for your heart. These
> compounds reduce the stickiness of platelets, cells that
> play an important role in blood clotting. As a result, blood
> takes longer to clot, reducing the danger of coronary artery
> blockages.
>
> The new findings about chocolate come from a study at the
> University of California at Davis where researchers asked 18
> healthy adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate
> chips. Blood tests conducted two and six hours later showed
> that the concentration of flavonoids had increased and that
> platelets took longer to clot after eating the chocolate
> than it did before.
>
> Still unresolved is the question of why so many people,
> mainly women, crave chocolate. Compounds in chocolate
> similar to those in marijuana are probably not to blame
> because amounts are so small that you would have to eat
> pounds of chocolate at once to get an effect. A more recent
> study suggests that this common "addiction" may be
> culturally based since women all over the world don't
> respond to chocolate in the same way.
>
> If your mother enjoys chocolates, go ahead and give her a
> box for Mother's Day. But make it a really special treat and
> get the good stuff -- dark chocolate imported from Belgium
> or France is so richly delicious that a single piece as a
> snack or after-dinner treat will be more than satisfying. If
> you can't find good imported chocolate locally, any brand
> containing at least 70 percent cocoa is fine.
>
> Dr. Andrew Weil
>
> By the way, I couldn't access the link you provided:
> http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html
> because it came up page Expired.

I had no trouble with the link. In fact, I clicked on the
reference in your response, and was taken right to the Web
page with no problem.
>
> Now we can let others judge for themselves. Calling someone
> a quack is a fairly serious accusation, unless one is prone
> to using the term rather loosely, or without proof and only
> with bias.

Quackwatch is a pretty reputable source. They don't use the
term quack "loosely", although I would say that you seem
willing to make nutritional recommendations both loosely and
irresponsibly.

If Dr. Weil (the one and the same who advocated smoking
marijuana as a source of scientific and metaphysical insights)
means by "few" as few as three, he's talking about 800 empty
calories a week, and makes it sound like you are fighting
heart disease in the bargain. Total baloney.

By the way, WD-40 also reduces the stickines of platelets.
Does that mean it's "good for your heart" also? Finally, I
have already responded to the canard about stearic acid.

Regards,

Martin Graham
>
> Mel
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> > > argument that
> > > Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil a
> > > quack?
> > >
> > > Mel
> >
> > If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not
> > sure anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll let
> > others read the Web site and judge for themselves.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martin Graham
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the
> > > > > > > > spoonful. Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is a
> > > > > > > > chocoholic. I love chocolate, too.
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately it does not seem to be
> > > > > > > > compatible with long life.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz" <schwartz@evenlink.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote in message news:30844e51.0305251013.17a-
> > > > > > > > 0ea6f@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil dated
> > > > > > > > > in 2002 that speaks quite favorably about
> > > > > > > > > dark chocolate. He says there was a study
> > > > > > > > > indicating that flavonoids in dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > > are good for your heart. These compounds
> > > > > > > > > reduce the stickiness of platelets and
> > > > > > > > > reduce the danger of coronary artery
> > > > > > > > > blockages. This study is from the University
> > > > > > > > > of California at Davis where researchers
> > > > > > > > > asked 18 healthy adults to eat a handful of
> > > > > > > > > semi-sweet chocolate chips. Blood tests
> > > > > > > > > conducted two and six hours later showed
> > > > > > > > > that the concentration of flavonoids had
> > > > > > > > > increased and that platelets took longer to
> > > > > > > > > clot after eating the chocolate than it did
> > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark chocolate
> > > > > > > > > from either Belgium or France. He also
> > > > > > > > > says if you can't find it from Belgium
> > > > > > > > > or France, then any brand containing 70
> > > > > > > > > percent cocoa is fine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mel

[M. Schwart]

MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
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> schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
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> > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in message
> > news:<a347ee6b.0305301625.49c72d3d@posting.google.com>...
> > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message ne-
> > > ws:<30844e51.0305300500.33433d94@posting.google.com>...
> > > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
> > > > message news:<a347ee6b.0305291821.1b9daee0@posting.go-
> > > > ogle.com>...
> > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in message
> > > > > news:<30844e51.0305290506.231f9068@posting.google.c-
> > > > > om>...
> > > > > > MartGraham@hotmail.com (Martin L. Graham) wrote in
> > > > > > message news:<a347ee6b.0305271833.408015d@posting-
> > > > > > .google.com>...
> > > > > > > schwartz@evenlink.com (M. Schwartz) wrote in
> > > > > > > message news:<30844e51.0305270546.65795708@post-
> > > > > > > ing.google.com>...
> > > > > > > > "Walter E." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:<4etAa.20999$pW4.437433@twister.socal.rr-
> > > > > > > > .com>...
> > > > > > > > > This must be a joke. - Not that I ever
> > > > > > > > > thought much of quacks like Dr. Weil.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > An uncontrolled study comprised of 18
> > > > > > > > > persons produces nothing but hogwash but it
> > > > > > > > > is certainly worth a good laugh.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As pointed out in this thread by the maker
> > > > > > > > > of this marvelous product, its nutritional
> > > > > > > > > *value* consists essentially of cocoa fat:
> > > > > > > > > Extremely high in cholesterol and saturated
> > > > > > > > > fats.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is the nutritional information for a one
> > > > > > > > ounce serving of dark chocolate, and notice
> > > > > > > > there is NO cholesterol:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Per serving: 136 calories
> > > > > > > > 13.5 total fat (5 g sat, 8.5 g mono) mg
> > > > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > > > > 17.9 g carbohydrate
> > > > > > > > 1.2 g protein
> > > > > > > > 1.7 g fiber
> > > > > > > > 3.1 mg sodium
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Weil is a self-serving quack. And it's not the
> > > > > > > cholesterol in your dieet that does you in, it's
> > > > > > > saturated fat. Chocolate is loaded with
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The saturated fat in dark chocolate is stearic
> > > > > > acid which does not do you harm, although I am not
> > > > > > advocating huge quantities. If you look at the
> > > > > > 13.5 total grams of fat and see that 5 grams is
> > > > > > saturated and 8.5 grams is monosaturated, then you
> > > > > > can see that it is not any worse than having a
> > > > > > piece of cheese, and not much worse than having a
> > > > > > tablespoon of olive oil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chocolate is loaded with refined and fat. Stearic
> > > > > acid represents only about 35% of its fat content.
> > > > > It is hardly a health food, and people with a
> > > > > predilections to heart disease are much better off
> > > > > eating low-calorie, low-fat foods such as vegetables
> > > > > and fruits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What evidence can you present to back up your
> > > > > > statement that Dr. Weil is a quack?
> > > > >
> > > > > Plenty. Go to
> > > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin Graham
> > > >
> > > > No one has said chocolate is a health food. I do think
> > > > it is important to distinguish between the various
> > > > chocolate products out there. Dr. Weil advises eating
> > > > only dark chocolate with a cocoa content of at least
> > > > 70% and just one ounce on an occasional basis. He does
> > > > not suggest chocolate as a health food, but does say
> > > > that eating an occasional ounce will not do you any
> > > > harm.
> > >
> > > Here's his quote from http://www.randomhouse.com/featur-
> > > es/drweil/questions.html:
> > >
> > > "Good-quality dark chocolate is not unhealthy and makes
> > > a pleasant dessert or treat. It contains a stimulant
> > > drug that can affect some people adversely, but it has
> > > an acceptable fat content and protective phytochemicals
> > > with antioxidant activity. Dark chocolate from Belgium
> > > and France is particularly good."
> > >
> > > I'll let others judge the soundness of this statement.
> > > It seems to me to encourage consumption of a food that
> > > is loaded with sugar, fat and empty calories. Nothing on
> > > that point, but he does mention that is has "protective
> > > phytochemicals with antioxidant activity. " He does make
> > > it sound like a health food.
> >
> > Here is the entire quote from the Q & A part of Dr. Weil's
> > website:
> >
> > DrWeil.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Question::
> >
> > I was surprised to see an ad for your new cookbook listing
> > chocolate among the snacks you recommend. Does that mean
> > it is okay to give my mom chocolates for Mother's Day?
> >
> > Answer::
> >
> >
> > I do recommend a piece of good quality dark chocolate as a
> > healthy snack as long as you don't go overboard. An ounce
> > or two a few times a week won't hurt you. In fact, while I
> > wouldn't call chocolate a health food, it is a source of
> > polyphenols, the same type of antioxidants found in red
> > wine, and the fat it contains is stearic acid, which
> > doesn't affect cholesterol levels. The latest good news
> > for chocolate lovers comes from a study indicating that
> > flavonoids in dark chocolate are good for your heart.
> > These compounds reduce the stickiness of platelets, cells
> > that play an important role in blood clotting. As a
> > result, blood takes longer to clot, reducing the danger of
> > coronary artery blockages.
> >
> > The new findings about chocolate come from a study at the
> > University of California at Davis where researchers asked
> > 18 healthy adults to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate
> > chips. Blood tests conducted two and six hours later
> > showed that the concentration of flavonoids had increased
> > and that platelets took longer to clot after eating the
> > chocolate than it did before.
> >
> > Still unresolved is the question of why so many people,
> > mainly women, crave chocolate. Compounds in chocolate
> > similar to those in marijuana are probably not to blame
> > because amounts are so small that you would have to eat
> > pounds of chocolate at once to get an effect. A more
> > recent study suggests that this common "addiction" may be
> > culturally based since women all over the world don't
> > respond to chocolate in the same way.
> >
> > If your mother enjoys chocolates, go ahead and give her a
> > box for Mother's Day. But make it a really special treat
> > and get the good stuff -- dark chocolate imported from
> > Belgium or France is so richly delicious that a single
> > piece as a snack or after-dinner treat will be more than
> > satisfying. If you can't find good imported chocolate
> > locally, any brand containing at least 70 percent cocoa
> > is fine.
> >
> > Dr. Andrew Weil
> >
> > By the way, I couldn't access the link you provided:
> > http://www.randomhouse.com/features/drweil/questions.html
> > because it came up page Expired.
>
> I had no trouble with the link. In fact, I clicked on the
> reference in your response, and was taken right to the Web
> page with no problem.
> >
> > Now we can let others judge for themselves. Calling
> > someone a quack is a fairly serious accusation, unless one
> > is prone to using the term rather loosely, or without
> > proof and only with bias.
>
> Quackwatch is a pretty reputable source. They don't use the
> term quack "loosely", although I would say that you seem
> willing to make nutritional recommendations both loosely and
> irresponsibly.
>
> If Dr. Weil (the one and the same who advocated smoking
> marijuana as a source of scientific and metaphysical
> insights) means by "few" as few as three, he's talking about
> 800 empty calories a week, and makes it sound like you are
> fighting heart disease in the bargain. Total baloney.
>
> By the way, WD-40 also reduces the stickines of platelets.
> Does that mean it's "good for your heart" also? Finally, I
> have already responded to the canard about stearic acid.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Graham

I don't see Quackwatch calling Dr. Weil a quack. The fact Dr.
Weil smoked marijuana in his youth does not detract from his
present status. Empty calories? Probably so, but so what?
Maybe having a few empty calories on occasion can be a
psychological good thing needed to satisfy one's craving and
please the mind. Maybe watching every little thing you eat so
closely can be a bad thing.

One other thing, I don't know much about Quackwatch, but that
article you presented that was written in 1998 appeared to be
just *one man's opinion* of Dr. Weil.

Mel

> >
> > Mel
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That article on Quackwatch does NOT substantiate your
> > > > argument that
> > > > Dr. Weil is a quack. What specifically makes Dr. Weil
> > > > a quack?
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > >
> > > If reading that article does not convince you, I'm not
> > > sure anything I can add will do the trick. Again, I'll
> > > let others read the Web site and judge for themselves.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Martin Graham
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > May as well go out and eat butter by the
> > > > > > > > > spoonful. Great way to clog ones arteries.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. My wife is
> > > > > > > > > a chocoholic. I love chocolate, too.
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately it does not seem to be
> > > > > > > > > compatible with long life.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Walter - "M. Schwartz"
> > > > > > > > > <schwartz@evenlink.com> wrote in message ne-
> > > > > > > > > ws:30844e51.0305251013.17a0ea6f@posting.goo-
> > > > > > > > > gle.com...
> > > > > > > > > > I found an article by Dr. Andrew Weil
> > > > > > > > > > dated in 2002 that speaks quite favorably
> > > > > > > > > > about dark chocolate. He says there was a
> > > > > > > > > > study indicating that flavonoids in dark
> > > > > > > > > > chocolate are good for your heart. These
> > > > > > > > > > compounds reduce the stickiness of
> > > > > > > > > > platelets and reduce the danger of
> > > > > > > > > > coronary artery blockages. This study is
> > > > > > > > > > from the University of California at Davis
> > > > > > > > > > where researchers asked 18 healthy adults
> > > > > > > > > > to eat a handful of semi-sweet chocolate
> > > > > > > > > > chips. Blood tests conducted two and six
> > > > > > > > > > hours later showed that the concentration
> > > > > > > > > > of flavonoids had increased and that
> > > > > > > > > > platelets took longer to clot after eating
> > > > > > > > > > the chocolate than it did before.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dr. Weil goes on to recommend dark
> > > > > > > > > > chocolate from either Belgium or
> > > > > > > > > > France. He also says if you can't find
> > > > > > > > > > it from Belgium or France, then any
> > > > > > > > > > brand containing 70 percent cocoa is
> > > > > > > > > > fine.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anyone for dark chocolate?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mel

[Mo0sh :)]

On 5 Jun 2003 06:03:31 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
Schwartz) wrote:

>One other thing, I don't know much about Quackwatch, but that
>article you presented that was written in 1998 appeared to be
>just *one man's opinion* of Dr. Weil.

That's often how quackwatch "out" their clients. A
well-written "essay" on the client by a reputable writer and
published so that it is taken as Quackwatch's editorial line.
That's my take on this invaluable service.

Woosh:)

"What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have 'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

[M. Schwart]

"MO0SH :)" <WO0@M00.MOO> wrote in message
news:<sk31ev89ihbpvhrmqd8c3b7gncc2mv712b@4ax.com>...
> On 5 Jun 2003 06:03:31 -0700, schwartz@evenlink.com (M.
> Schwartz) wrote:
>
> >One other thing, I don't know much about Quackwatch, but
> >that article you presented that was written in 1998
> >appeared to be just *one man's opinion* of Dr. Weil.
>
> That's often how quackwatch "out" their clients. A
> well-written "essay" on the client by a reputable writer and
> published so that it is taken as Quackwatch's editorial
> line. That's my take on this invaluable service.
>
>
>
> Woosh:)

I agree.

Mel

>
> "What have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do
> Have 'em.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE