egg question

[Memory]

Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many diabetics
eat a lot of eggs. I really love them. They make an easy meal.
I am on Lipitor and my chol has really gotten a lot better.
Chol--155 Trigs--171 HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will take a new panel
in Aug. Just how careful are you all in eating or not eating
the eggs? So many times I have not eaten them because I feel
they just aren't good for my chol. I could eat the darn things
every day and I would be very nice and very friendly..:) I do
HAVE to put one in every time I make a chef salad. I don't
seem to be able to eat the salad without egg in it (plus my
chicken..). Chickens make me very happy... Bless Memory

[Julie Bove]

"Memory" <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:L3_wa.48482$JE3.2692461@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many
> diabetics eat a lot
of
> eggs. I really love them. They make an easy meal. I am on
> Lipitor and
my
> chol has really gotten a lot better. Chol--155 Trigs--171
> HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will take a new panel in Aug. Just how
> careful are you
all
> in eating or not eating the eggs? So many times I have not
> eaten them because I feel they just aren't good for my
> chol. I could eat the darn things every day and I would be
> very nice and very friendly..:) I do HAVE to put one in
> every time I make a chef salad. I don't seem to be able to
> eat the salad without egg in it (plus my chicken..).
> Chickens make me
very
> happy... Bless Memory

I got through periods of time where I'll eat a boiled egg
every morning. I sometimes put boiled eggs in salad and once
or twice a year I'll make egg salad. And I'll occasionally
make egg and peppers or a zucchini or spinach pie with eggs in
it. I'm not a really big egg eater.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

[Blkbear]

On Fri, 16 May 2003 04:47:39 GMT, "Memory"
<JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many diabetics
>eat a lot of eggs. I really love them. They make an easy
>meal. I am on Lipitor and my chol has really gotten a lot
>better. Chol--155 Trigs--171 HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will take a
>new panel in Aug. Just how careful are you all in eating or
>not eating the eggs?

Well I eat a lot of eggs, mostly as omelets or fritatas. I'll
mostly use egg whites or one of the Egg Beater types
(basically egg whites and coloring). And I will often have
some in a salad, scrambled or microwave poached. Every once
and while I get a carton of eggs so I can use the yolks.

But the only reason I don't use the yolks often, is I need to
cut out fat calories as much as possible, to keep my intake
under 60grams of fat per day.

But over all not too worried about eating whole eggs or just
the egg whites.

--
Terrell type 2 metformin 500mg x2

[Evelyn Ruu]

"Memory" <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:L3_wa.48482$JE3.2692461@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many
> diabetics eat a lot
of
> eggs. I really love them. They make an easy meal. I am on
> Lipitor and
my
> chol has really gotten a lot better. Chol--155 Trigs--171
> HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will take a new panel in Aug. Just how
> careful are you
all
> in eating or not eating the eggs? So many times I have not
> eaten them because I feel they just aren't good for my
> chol. I could eat the darn things every day and I would be
> very nice and very friendly..:) I do HAVE to put one in
> every time I make a chef salad. I don't seem to be able to
> eat the salad without egg in it (plus my chicken..).
> Chickens make me
very
> happy... Bless Memory

I eat a lot of eggs, (like two a day) and my cholesterol is
NOT high. They satisfy my hunger and I like them. I read
somewhere that eggs have gotten a bum rap as far as the
amount of cholesterol they contain. Aside from eggs
themselves, I have a belief about cholesterol that I would
like to express here.

First of all the link between blood cholesterol and diet has
never been really proven that well. The liver makes the
cholesterol that is in the blood. The link between high blood
cholesterol and cardiovascular problems is there, but there
are other factors involved.... there is just not enough we
know about it, and the link between dietary cholesterol and
blood cholesterol is still fuzzy.

I have a friend who is a vegetarian and eats almost no
dietary cholesterol. The doctor just mentioned that hers is
creeping up.

My father who is 90 and in good health, still drives, rides
his bicycle every day, digs a garden every year, shovels his
own snow, etc. has had a cholesterol level of over 300 for
years and years. Other than high blood cholesterol numbers, he
is fine. The only time he feels sick is when the doctor tries
to make him take cholesterol lowering drugs. He has tried all
of them, and all give him severe muscle weakness and more. He
absolutely can't take any of those drugs. His heart is in
excellent shape and he continues to be active. He hates pills
of any kind, but recently began taking a baby aspirin daily
and a couple of vitamins. High cholesterol has never harmed
him. 90 is a good old age by anyones standards, and his
cholesterol has been over 300 for twenty years!

On the other hand, my mother, who ALWAYS had excellent
cholesterol levels, had a triple bypass and died at 82 of a
heart attack. She was on her second pacemaker and had had
heart problems for several years before she passed away.

So I think there is more to this than simply measuring ones
blood cholesterol or eating or not eating cholesterol
containing foods. I am going to keep on eating eggs. I think
the whole cholesterol thing is bunk, or at best partial
knowledge. For me the diet enemy is carbohydrates. Those I
watch really well. I have to eat something, and eggs are easy,
satisfying, and don't raise my blood glucose much.

Regards, Evelyn

[Howard S S]

In article <L3_wa.48482$JE3.2692461@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
"Memory" <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many
> diabetics eat a lot of eggs. I really love them. They make
> an easy meal. I am on Lipitor and my chol has really gotten
> a lot better. Chol--155 Trigs--171 HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will
> take a new panel in Aug. Just how careful are you all in
> eating or not eating the eggs?

Egg Beaters, Better n' Eggs, ... It's more expensive, but
cholesterol isn't an issue with them.

--
Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship

[Annette]

Hi there Memory,

"Memory" <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:L3_wa.48482$JE3.2692461@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Yes, I know they too have carbs...

If you mean that they have a lot of carbs, well, no, they
don't. In fact they have only a small amount of carbs.

According to the information at:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl

One 50g boiled egg contains only about 0.5g of carbohydrate.

Yet it provides around 324 kj of energy. Two eggs for
breakfast make a nice little start to the day, and are
unlikely to cause any rise in bg in a T2. Add a few fresh
veges for fibre and vit C and you're set!

I've seen Quentin post that a common breakfast for *him* is
some scrambled eggs with a garden salad. I might be inclined
to lay bets that he thought that one out carefully for
optimum benefit.

So where is the rest of the energy coming from? Proteins and
fats. They are much slower in being digested and release of
energy, so they not only don't spike, but give a steady slow
release for quite some time. It's the kind of food they were
talking about when they say "It sticks to your ribs", ie, you
don't feel hungry and tired for quite a few hrs.

The one that worries some is the "fats" - which just happen
to include some dietary cholesterol. In the same chart as
given above, here's a break down of just what fats are in
that 50g egg.

Lipids Fatty acids, total saturated 1.6 g Fatty acids, total
monounsaturated 2.0 g Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated 0.7 g
Cholesterol (note - in MILLIGRAMS!) 212 mg

There are a few undiferentiated other fats in there, but the
amounts are really tiny, so lets ignore them.

You may notice that the monounsaturated plus the
polyunsaturated oils exceed the total of the other two. All
up, you get about a maximum of 5 grams of fat per egg, and
more than half are the "good" ones.

There's just one more thing that makes eggs a good choice -
the vitamins, minerals and flavinoids that they contain. Not a
bad little package.

Did you hear about the man who used to go to work on an egg?
One day it wouldn't start, so he pulled out the yolk and it
went all wite. :-)

Speaking of the white, if you're allergic to eggs, that's the
bit that does it.

So eat your eggs, just remember - no little soldiers
with them! :-)

Annette

[Mr D-150]

Evelyn,

The original warnings about eggs came from an organization
that wanted to promote cereals as the perfect food, not from
the American Egg Board.

I eat 2 or more eggs per day and my cholesterol stays down as
long as I stay away from fat meats and sugars.

Budd

Evelyn Ruut wrote:

> I eat a lot of eggs, (like two a day) and my cholesterol is
> NOT high. They satisfy my hunger and I like them. I read
> somewhere that eggs have gotten a bum rap as far as the
> amount of cholesterol they contain. Aside from eggs
> themselves, I have a belief about cholesterol that I would
> like to express here.
>
> First of all the link between blood cholesterol and diet has
> never been really proven that well. The liver makes the
> cholesterol that is in the blood. The link between high
> blood cholesterol and cardiovascular problems is there, but
> there are other factors involved.... there is just not
> enough we know about it, and the link between dietary
> cholesterol and blood cholesterol is still fuzzy.
>
> I have a friend who is a vegetarian and eats almost no
> dietary cholesterol. The doctor just mentioned that hers is
> creeping up.
>
> My father who is 90 and in good health, still drives, rides
> his bicycle every day, digs a garden every year, shovels his
> own snow, etc. has had a cholesterol level of over 300 for
> years and years. Other than high blood cholesterol numbers,
> he is fine. The only time he feels sick is when the doctor
> tries to make him take cholesterol lowering drugs. He has
> tried all of them, and all give him severe muscle weakness
> and more. He absolutely can't take any of those drugs. His
> heart is in excellent shape and he continues to be active.
> He hates pills of any kind, but recently began taking a baby
> aspirin daily and a couple of vitamins. High cholesterol has
> never harmed him. 90 is a good old age by anyones standards,
> and his cholesterol has been over 300 for twenty years!
>
> On the other hand, my mother, who ALWAYS had excellent
> cholesterol levels, had a triple bypass and died at 82 of a
> heart attack. She was on her second pacemaker and had had
> heart problems for several years before she passed away.
>
> So I think there is more to this than simply measuring ones
> blood cholesterol or eating or not eating cholesterol
> containing foods. I am going to keep on eating eggs. I think
> the whole cholesterol thing is bunk, or at best partial
> knowledge. For me the diet enemy is carbohydrates. Those I
> watch really well. I have to eat something, and eggs are
> easy, satisfying, and don't raise my blood glucose much.
>
> Regards, Evelyn

[Mr D-150]

OOOPS!!!

Forgot the link. . . <www.aeb.org>

Everyone tells me my memory is slipping. Myself, I don't know
. . .I don't remember.

Budd

Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>
>
> I eat a lot of eggs, (like two a day) and my cholesterol is
> NOT high. They satisfy my hunger and I like them. I read
> somewhere that eggs have gotten a bum rap as far as the
> amount of cholesterol they contain. Aside from eggs
> themselves, I have a belief about cholesterol that I would
> like to express here.
>
> First of all the link between blood cholesterol and diet has
> never been really proven that well. The liver makes the
> cholesterol that is in the blood. The link between high
> blood cholesterol and cardiovascular problems is there, but
> there are other factors involved.... there is just not
> enough we know about it, and the link between dietary
> cholesterol and blood cholesterol is still fuzzy.
>
> I have a friend who is a vegetarian and eats almost no
> dietary cholesterol. The doctor just mentioned that hers is
> creeping up.
>
> My father who is 90 and in good health, still drives, rides
> his bicycle every day, digs a garden every year, shovels his
> own snow, etc. has had a cholesterol level of over 300 for
> years and years. Other than high blood cholesterol numbers,
> he is fine. The only time he feels sick is when the doctor
> tries to make him take cholesterol lowering drugs. He has
> tried all of them, and all give him severe muscle weakness
> and more. He absolutely can't take any of those drugs. His
> heart is in excellent shape and he continues to be active.
> He hates pills of any kind, but recently began taking a baby
> aspirin daily and a couple of vitamins. High cholesterol has
> never harmed him. 90 is a good old age by anyones standards,
> and his cholesterol has been over 300 for twenty years!
>
> On the other hand, my mother, who ALWAYS had excellent
> cholesterol levels, had a triple bypass and died at 82 of a
> heart attack. She was on her second pacemaker and had had
> heart problems for several years before she passed away.
>
> So I think there is more to this than simply measuring ones
> blood cholesterol or eating or not eating cholesterol
> containing foods. I am going to keep on eating eggs. I think
> the whole cholesterol thing is bunk, or at best partial
> knowledge. For me the diet enemy is carbohydrates. Those I
> watch really well. I have to eat something, and eggs are
> easy, satisfying, and don't raise my blood glucose much.
>
> Regards, Evelyn

[Colleen]

Excellent information Annette! (By the way, I'm glad you are
able to keep posting. You are an assest to this group.) I know
when I have an egg breakfast I'm not hungry for at least 41/2
hours. I usually eat small amounts every two to three hours.
My favorite quick supper in the sautee a lot of veggies with
protabella mushroom and then pour scrambled eggs over. We get
two meals from six eggs and I get now spikes.

My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
He's hardly a boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch
them for ages. The information about diet here and my imporved
well being have helped him to see they aren't the evil he
thought they were. c

"Annette" <acianthus@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ba2jie$o0cgf$1@ID-194908.news.dfncis.de...
> Hi there Memory,
>
> "Memory" <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:L3_wa.48482$JE3.2692461@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Yes, I know they too have carbs...
>
> If you mean that they have a lot of carbs, well, no, they
> don't. In fact they have only a small amount of carbs.
>
> According to the information at:
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl
>
> One 50g boiled egg contains only about 0.5g of carbohydrate.
>
> Yet it provides around 324 kj of energy. Two eggs for
> breakfast make a nice little start to the day, and are
> unlikely to cause any rise in bg in a T2. Add a few fresh
> veges for fibre and vit C and you're set!
>
> I've seen Quentin post that a common breakfast for *him* is
> some scrambled eggs with a garden salad. I might be inclined
> to lay bets that he thought that one out carefully for
> optimum benefit.
>
> So where is the rest of the energy coming from? Proteins and
> fats. They are much slower in being digested and release of
> energy, so they not only don't spike, but give a steady slow
> release for quite some time. It's the kind of food they were
> talking about when they say "It sticks to your ribs", ie,
> you don't feel hungry and tired for quite a few hrs.
>
> The one that worries some is the "fats" - which just happen
> to include some dietary cholesterol. In the same chart as
> given above, here's a break down of just what fats are in
> that 50g egg.
>
> Lipids Fatty acids, total saturated 1.6 g Fatty acids, total
> monounsaturated 2.0 g Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated 0.7
> g Cholesterol (note - in MILLIGRAMS!) 212 mg
>
> There are a few undiferentiated other fats in there, but the
> amounts are really tiny, so lets ignore them.
>
> You may notice that the monounsaturated plus the
> polyunsaturated oils exceed the total of the other two. All
> up, you get about a maximum of 5 grams of fat per egg, and
> more than half are the "good" ones.
>
> There's just one more thing that makes eggs a good choice -
> the vitamins, minerals and flavinoids that they contain. Not
> a bad little package.
>
> Did you hear about the man who used to go to work on an egg?
> One day it wouldn't start, so he pulled out the yolk and it
> went all wite. :-)
>
> Speaking of the white, if you're allergic to eggs, that's
> the bit that does it.
>
> So eat your eggs, just remember - no little soldiers with
> them! :-)
>
> Annette

[Evelyn Ruu]

"Mr D-150" <mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote in message
news:2L5xa.7263$t66.6213@news02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net...
> Evelyn,
>
> The original warnings about eggs came from an organization
> that wanted to promote cereals as the perfect food, not from
> the American Egg Board.
>
> I eat 2 or more eggs per day and my cholesterol stays down
> as long as I stay away from fat meats and sugars.
>
> Budd

That makes sense to me, Budd!

Thanks for mentioning it.

Evelyn

[Mr D-150]

Tell him they're an ancient aphrodisiac.

That''l get (almost) any guy interested.

Budd

Colleen wrote:
> Excellent information Annette! (By the way, I'm glad you
> are able to keep posting. You are an assest to this
> group.) I know when I have an egg breakfast I'm not hungry
> for at least 41/2 hours. I usually eat small amounts every
> two to three hours. My favorite quick supper in the sautee
> a lot of veggies with protabella mushroom and then pour
> scrambled eggs over. We get two meals from six eggs and I
> get now spikes.
>
> My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
> He's hardly a boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch
> them for ages. The information about diet here and my
> imporved well being have helped him to see they aren't the
> evil he thought they were. c

[Mr D-150]

I believed the statements when they first came out myself.

Then back when the truth in advertising laws ( which are still
ignored on a regular basis) I gave the issue some thought and
realized the cereal guys were out to make a bunch of bucks, if
they could.

I went to the store and bought a dozen eggs. <VBG>

Budd

Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>
>
>
> That makes sense to me, Budd!
>
> Thanks for mentioning it.
>
> Evelyn

[Colleen]

Well, he's bald so I can't tell him it will make his
hair shiney! c

"Mr D-150" <mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote in message
news:OY6xa.7278$nZ6.1528@news02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net...
> Tell him they're an ancient aphrodisiac.
>
> That''l get (almost) any guy interested.
>
> Budd
>
> Colleen wrote:
> > Excellent information Annette! (By the way, I'm glad you
> > are able to
keep
> > posting. You are an assest to this group.) I know when I
> > have an egg breakfast I'm not hungry for at least 41/2
> > hours. I usually eat small amounts every two to three
> > hours. My favorite quick supper in the
sautee a
> > lot of veggies with protabella mushroom and then pour
> > scrambled eggs
over.
> > We get two meals from six eggs and I get now spikes.
> >
> > My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs.
> > old? He's hardly
a
> > boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch them for
> > ages. The information about diet here and my imporved well
> > being have helped him
to
> > see they aren't the evil he thought they were. c

[Mr D-150]

Chest hair, maybe?

<VBG>

Budd

Colleen wrote:
> Well, he's bald so I can't tell him it will make his hair
> shiney! c

[Wendy Bake]

Memory <JBROWN1577@kc.rr.com> wrote:
: Yes, I know they too have carbs... I know that many
: diabetics eat a lot of eggs. I really love them. They make
: an easy meal. I am on Lipitor and my chol has really gotten
: a lot better. Chol--155 Trigs--171 HDL--37 LDL--84 Dr. will
: take a new panel in Aug. Just how careful are you all in
: eating or not eating the eggs? So many times I have not
: eaten them because I feel they just aren't good for my chol.
: I could eat the darn things every day and I would be very
: nice and very friendly..:) I do HAVE to put one in every
: time I make a chef salad. I don't seem to be able to eat the
: salad without egg in it (plus my chicken..). Chickens make
: me very happy... Bless Memory

Talked about this with my endo, as I like to get an omelette
for lunch in a restauant and gg ehite is not always available.
He sid no problemwith once a week. I use the egg substitutes
the rest of the time for breakfasts on days I don't have to
leave the house early. I make them into an omelette with lots
of veggies, sometimes cheess and sometimes baco-bits all mixed
in. This with a few Was crackers, perhapas a starwberry or two
and my black decaf makes a super breakfast.

Wendy Baker

[Wendy Bake]

Colleen <{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:

: My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
: He's hardly a boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch
: them for ages. The information about diet here and my
: imporved well being have helped him to see they aren't the
: evil he thought they were. c
k Gentleman friend? Unless, of course, he is not a
gentleman:-)

Wendy Baker

[Wesley Gro]

> Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>> I eat a lot of eggs, (like two a day) and my cholesterol is
>> NOT high. They satisfy my hunger and I like them. I read
>> somewhere that eggs have gotten a bum rap as far as the
>> amount of cholesterol they contain. Aside from

In a statistical analysis of huge amounts of data from the
Harvard Health Professionals study, researchers claim to have
determined that there is NO DIFFERENCE in heart disease deaths
between those who eat no eggs and those who have more than ten
per week if they are not diabetic.

If they are diabetic, there conclusion was "we can't tell
whether it matters; we need more study"

(In other words, they did see a difference, but it was smaller
than the margin of error.)

[Irv Finkle]

Colleen wrote:
>
> Well, he's bald so I can't tell him it will make his hair
> shiney! c

I'm getting pretty thin on top, and although the hair is
disappearing, the shine is still very apparent!
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[Dazey]

But did you read what it said about diabetics?

Linda

On Fri, 16 May 2003 13:33:57 GMT, Mr D-150
<mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote:

>OOOPS!!!
>
>Forgot the link. . . <www.aeb.org>
>
>Everyone tells me my memory is slipping. Myself, I don't know
>. . .I don't remember.
>
>Budd
>
>Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>>
>>
>> I eat a lot of eggs, (like two a day) and my cholesterol is
>> NOT high. They satisfy my hunger and I like them. I read
>> somewhere that eggs have gotten a bum rap as far as the
>> amount of cholesterol they contain. Aside from eggs
>> themselves, I have a belief about cholesterol that I would
>> like to express here.
>>
>> First of all the link between blood cholesterol and diet
>> has never been really proven that well. The liver makes the
>> cholesterol that is in the blood. The link between high
>> blood cholesterol and cardiovascular problems is there, but
>> there are other factors involved.... there is just not
>> enough we know about it, and the link between dietary
>> cholesterol and blood cholesterol is still fuzzy.
>>
>> I have a friend who is a vegetarian and eats almost no
>> dietary cholesterol. The doctor just mentioned that hers is
>> creeping up.
>>
>> My father who is 90 and in good health, still drives, rides
>> his bicycle every day, digs a garden every year, shovels
>> his own snow, etc. has had a cholesterol level of over 300
>> for years and years. Other than high blood cholesterol
>> numbers, he is fine. The only time he feels sick is when
>> the doctor tries to make him take cholesterol lowering
>> drugs. He has tried all of them, and all give him severe
>> muscle weakness and more. He absolutely can't take any of
>> those drugs. His heart is in excellent shape and he
>> continues to be active. He hates pills of any kind, but
>> recently began taking a baby aspirin daily and a couple of
>> vitamins. High cholesterol has never harmed him. 90 is a
>> good old age by anyones standards, and his cholesterol has
>> been over 300 for twenty years!
>>
>> On the other hand, my mother, who ALWAYS had excellent
>> cholesterol levels, had a triple bypass and died at 82 of a
>> heart attack. She was on her second pacemaker and had had
>> heart problems for several years before she passed away.
>>
>> So I think there is more to this than simply measuring
>> ones blood cholesterol or eating or not eating cholesterol
>> containing foods. I am going to keep on eating eggs. I
>> think the whole cholesterol thing is bunk, or at best
>> partial knowledge. For me the diet enemy is carbohydrates.
>> Those I watch really well. I have to eat something, and
>> eggs are easy, satisfying, and don't raise my blood
>> glucose much.
>>
>> Regards, Evelyn
>>
>>
>

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[Dazey]

On Fri, 16 May 2003 08:41:54 -0500, "Colleen"
<{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:

>My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
>He's hardly a boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch
>them for ages. The information about diet here and my
>imporved well being have helped him to see they aren't the
>evil he thought they were.

Hmm... I've wondered that before, too.. let's see... manfriend
doesn't really work.. lol.. "partner" sounds ok... sort of..

good question..

Linda :-) Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet
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[Colleen]

I've decided to stick with calling him my sweetheart because
that's what he
is. Partner sounds too clinical to me. c "Dazey"
<dazey@charter.net> wrote in message
news:ks7lcvk4i4ut8gg761tqvajbo2342bhqde@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 May 2003 08:41:54 -0500, "Colleen"
> <{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:
>
>
> >My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
> >He's hardly
a
> >boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch them for
> >ages. The information about diet here and my imporved well
> >being have helped him to see they aren't the evil he
> >thought they were.
>
> Hmm... I've wondered that before, too.. let's see...
> manfriend doesn't really work.. lol.. "partner" sounds ok...
> sort of..
>
> good question..
>
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[Dazey]

On Fri, 16 May 2003 16:57:08 GMT, Irv Finkleman
<finkirv@shaw.ca> wrote:

>I'm getting pretty thin on top, and although the hair is
>disappearing, the shine is still very apparent!

From the hair, or the scalp?

g,d,rlh!

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[Loretta Ei]

Memory I have real eggs about once every two weeks, I had
extremely high cholesterol and with lipitor I am 142. I dont
know though if lipitor would stop the cholesterol from rising
if I ate them everyday,. I do eat eggbeaters quite often and I
make believe they are eggs,. I add some cheese and protein and
it is an omelet to me.

Loretta

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"Dazey" <dazey@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 May 2003 08:41:54 -0500, "Colleen"
> <{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:
>
>
> >My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs. old?
> >He's hardly
a
> >boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch them for
> >ages. The information about diet here and my imporved well
> >being have helped him to see they aren't the evil he
> >thought they were.
>
> Hmm... I've wondered that before, too.. let's see...
> manfriend doesn't really work.. lol.. "partner" sounds ok...
> sort of..

My grandma who remarried in her 80's always used the term
beau. But that sounds kind of dated too.

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[Dazey]

I like that one :)

Linda

On Tue, 20 May 2003 17:08:32 -0500, "Colleen"
<{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:

>I've decided to stick with calling him my sweetheart because
>that's what he
>is. Partner sounds too clinical to me. c "Dazey"
> <dazey@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ks7lcvk4i4ut8gg761tqvajbo2342bhqde@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 16 May 2003 08:41:54 -0500, "Colleen"
>> <{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >My boyfriend (What other word can you use when 50 yrs.
>> >old? He's hardly
>a
>> >boy?) has high cholesterol and wouldn't touch them for
>> >ages. The information about diet here and my imporved well
>> >being have helped him to see they aren't the evil he
>> >thought they were.
>>
>> Hmm... I've wondered that before, too.. let's see...
>> manfriend doesn't really work.. lol.. "partner" sounds
>> ok... sort of..
>>
>> good question..
>>
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Dazey wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 May 2003 16:57:08 GMT, Irv Finkleman
> <finkirv@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >I'm getting pretty thin on top, and although the hair is
> >disappearing, the shine is still very apparent!
>
> From the hair, or the scalp?
>
> g,d,rlh!
>
You shouldn't ask! The scalp darnit! :-)
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[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:26
-0500, Wesley Groleau <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote:

>n a statistical analysis of huge amounts of data from the
>Harvard Health Professionals study, researchers claim to have
>determined that there is NO DIFFERENCE in heart disease
>deaths between those who eat no eggs and those who have more
>than ten per week if they are not diabetic.
>
>If they are diabetic, there conclusion was "we can't tell
>whether it matters; we need more study"
>
>(In other words, they did see a difference, but it was
>smaller than the margin of error.)

G'day G'day Wesley,

There was a study, perhaps it is the same one, where the
researchers made similar comments about needing to study the
eggs question specifically in relation to diabetics. They
had good reason. An existing diagnosis of diabetes was
grounds for exclusion from the trial. So, to put it simply
the diabetics mentioned in their trial were those diagnosed
during the study period. Most of can figure it out that at
time of diagnosis blood glucose is not in control.

As I see it eating eggs and not eating eggs both have risks.

Firstly the risks associated with eggs. Popular literature
tends to polarize issues, making eggs seem incredibly risky
and without risk depending on who is writing. A common
consensus view seems to be that only about 20% of
cholesterol comes from dietary cholesterol intake and the
rest is formed in the body. The actual percentage will
obviously depend on diet.

When first diagnosed I agonized of the ways high blood sugar
damaged HDL's ability to transport cholesterol back to the
liver for disposal. As I saw it there wasn't any reason to be
complacent about the issues surrounding cholesterol handling
for diabetics. That said I decided to look at all the places
one could improve that handling.

Here is how I tackled it.

Eat some bitter greens eg endive, radicchio, dandelion to
improve the flow of bile which is how waste cholesterol
is excreted.

Eat a diet high in taurine, an amino acid found in meat, fish,
shellfish. Taurine and glycine are the two major aminos for
making bile.

Eat foods high in phytosterols eg avocado. Phytosterols are
the active ingredient in yuppie margarines that block the
reabsorption of cholesterol from the gut.

Eat prawns etc where the cholesterol is slightly different
from human cholesterol. The net effect seems to be to raise
HDL, the stuff we want rather than LDL.

Eat a diet high in soluble fibre. To see the COLLECTIVE
effects of a diet that combines typical vegetarian
approaches take a look at the post I made recently in the
vegetarian thread.

OK. So what is the risk of not eating eggs?

The most obvious to me is if people don't eat eggs they will
eat something worse. Now how could that be?

If people don't eat eggs for breakfast the chances are high
they will eat cereal and their bg will remain high.

If they attempt to fudge around that issue by eating high
cereal fibre breakfasts they might get around the high blood
glucose problem. They might also make a very unpleasant
discovery. Cereal fibre is great place to find allergens. Food
intolerances push up the C-Reactive Protein CRP. Now things
are not nice. Inflammation inflames the arteries, cholesterol
attempt to repair the damage and it all gets nasty.

Another subtle reason to eat eggs only applies if you eat free
range eggs. The colours found in the yolks of free range eggs
are the very ones diabetics need to protect the macular part
of the eye which deals with fine detail vision. And eggs make
them more bioavailable.

The real blokes who don't eat quiche may find those that do
reading to them in the old age pensioner's home. Frankly I'd
rather have the independent part of that deal. BTW the spinach
in the quiche also provides the vital zeaxanthin and lutein.
Double whammy huh?

My choice is to maintain a low A1c, staying in the 5% club.

I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.

On Saturdays I really do have a three egg omelette with
salad after gym. Certainly omelettes are a great way to
keep bg down.

On Sundays I have a fist full of almonds and three dried
apricots then off to Farmer's market to have an ostrich patty.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Mr D-150]

I'm not sure what you mean. I just went thru the site
carefully and couldn't find any detrimental info about eggs
for diabetics.

At 1 gram of carbs per egg, my "standard" breakfast of two
slices of whole wheat toast with no carb / cholesterol
margarine, two eggs fried in the same margarine, and a mug of
industrial strength coffee with Splenda and a dollop of 2%
milk totals 37 carbs and I'm allowed 45.

I'm confused . . . . . . . :^(

Budd

Dazey wrote:
> But did you read what it said about diabetics?
>
> Linda

[Priscilla]

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> quoth:
>I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
>and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.

You aren't going to tell us what's in this egg-free high
protein breakfast? Oh, please do!

Priscilla, getting right sick of eggs

[Dazey]

On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:55:07 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
>and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.

Which is.......? :-)

Linda

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[Cheri]

I like to saute cubes of extra firm tofu in a TBS or so of
olive oil until lightly browned, and sprinkle with a little
grated cheddar cheese. It's low carb, filling, and a good
protein source. I know some people have health issues with soy
products and some people just don't like it, so YMMV.

Cheri

Dazey wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:55:07 +1200, Quentin Grady
><quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
>>and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.
>
>Which is.......? :-)
>
>Linda
>
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[Wesley Gro]

Quentin Grady wrote:
> This post not CC'd by email On Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:26
> -0500, Wesley Groleau <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote:
>>n a statistical analysis of huge amounts of data from the
>>Harvard Health Professionals study, researchers
>
> G'day G'day Wesley,
>
> There was a study, perhaps it is the same one, where the
> researchers made similar comments about needing to study
> the eggs question specifically in relation to diabetics.
> They had good reason. An existing diagnosis of diabetes
> was grounds for exclusion from the trial. So, to put it
> simply the diabetics mentioned in their trial were those
> diagnosed during the study period. Most of can figure it
> out that at time of diagnosis blood glucose is not in
> control.

I am thinking of the two donme at Harvard, one with thousands
of nurses, and the other with doctors and veterinarians.

I thought they actually said what I said (not statistically
significant) but I may be remembering it wrong.

[Dazey]

Don't be. It was I who was confused. :-)

Linda.. who just bought 2 1/2 dozen eggs at the grocery store.

On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:56:28 GMT, Mr D-150
<mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote:

>I'm not sure what you mean. I just went thru the site
>carefully and couldn't find any detrimental info about eggs
>for diabetics.
>
>At 1 gram of carbs per egg, my "standard" breakfast of two
>slices of whole wheat toast with no carb / cholesterol
>margarine, two eggs fried in the same margarine, and a mug of
>industrial strength coffee with Splenda and a dollop of 2%
>milk totals 37 carbs and I'm allowed 45.
>
>I'm confused . . . . . . . :^(
>
>Budd
>
>Dazey wrote:
>> But did you read what it said about diabetics?
>>
>> Linda
>>

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[Mr D-150]

Then don't worry about it, because if you spend a lot of time
confused, they don't ask you the hard questions.

"Blessed are they that wander in circles, for they shall be
known as 'wheels'" ( B.C. cira 12.579 seconds ago)

Dazey wrote:
> Don't be. It was I who was confused. :-)
>
> Linda.. who just bought 2 1/2 dozen eggs at the
> grocery store.

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 21 May 2003 18:50:35 +0000
(UTC), Priscilla H Ballou <phb@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:

>Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> quoth:
>>I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
>>and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.
>
>You aren't going to tell us what's in this egg-free high
>protein breakfast? Oh, please do!
>
>Priscilla, getting right sick of eggs

G'day G'day Priscilla,

Here is my diet written out for a friend who used it as
the basis for losing 42 kg which she has kept off for
several years.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/quentins_diet.htm

It is probably time I rewrote it, we all learn as we go along.
My friend for instance now eats broccolini (single stem
broccoli), zucchini, asparagus and cooks with avocado oil
instead of olive oil.

For myself I now have four heap dessert spoons of flax fibre.
Recently I have been having blueberries instead of
blackberries with the flax fibre porridge. You might have to
try a Canadian supplier for the partially defatted flax fibre.
Canada produces 80% of the world's supply of flaxseed.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 21 May 2003 13:18:25
-0700, Dazey <dazey@charter.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:55:07 +1200, Quentin Grady
><quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>I can do that with and without eggs. So most mornings I have
>>and egg free, high protein breakfast I have devised.
>
>Which is.......? :-)
>
>Linda

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/ficts.htm

Click on Flax Fibre Zone Style Breakfast.

--
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blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Sleepyman]

On Fri, 23 May 2003 03:54:35 GMT, Mr D-150
<mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote:

>"Blessed are they that wander in circles, for they shall be
>known as 'wheels'" ( B.C. cira 12.579 seconds ago)

You have posted a lot of shall we say *corny* stuff, but this
one I like!

Sleepy

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[Dazey]

On Fri, 23 May 2003 18:15:16 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/quentins_diet.htm

Hiya Quentin! I have a ton of questions...

The first and most un-important is: you said.."Nutri-life 10,
000 Milk thistle encourages the liver to destroy dangerous
oxidised crap. It also provides artichoke."

Ok.. I chuckled. I used to take Milk Thistle for hepatitis C
(and my liver is brand new, by the way, and not
transplanted!!).. but how does that provide artichokes? Do
they show up at the door?

Seriously.. what is artichoke? (besides a vegetable?)

Anyway.. for serious now... I was going to email you to
spare the group my boring hypo/exercise problems. Would that
be okay? :-)

Wait: I'll as the one, here. You said, "Carbohydrate raises
serum insulin levels and that prevents the body using its fat
reserves. Carbohydrate is meant to be kept below 50 g per day.
Recently I have increased this to about 100 g per day."

I have questions about that. For today, though, I ate only the
trace carbs found in the two eggs. I'm going to see if that
helps while I exercise. Unfortunately I didn't get to exercise
1/2 hour after breakfast, because, unbeknownst to me, my
daughter had her healthy start nurse come over.. so I'm now
waiting to work out. I'm also going to use my 8 oz of gatorade
mixed in with my 33 (I think) oz of water as I go along.. and
I'm hoping that'll prevent the hypos... hmm.. I wonder if I
should eliminate the gatorade, too.

As you can see, I'm totally confused. I've been adding carbs
to breakfast and... (it didn't help)

Ooops.. way too far off topic... I started a topic for this..
someplace. Can I email you?

Back to eggs.. love 'em! Just ate two of 'em, cooked in
olive oil.

:-)

Linda

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I warned everyone I had a, shall we say, unique, sense of
humor. <VBG>

Budd

Sleepyman wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2003 03:54:35 GMT, Mr D-150
> <mr.d-150@citylink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Blessed are they that wander in circles, for they shall be
>>known as 'wheels'" ( B.C. cira 12.579 seconds ago)
>
>
> You have posted a lot of shall we say *corny* stuff, but
> this one I like!
>
> Sleepy
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> "I don't belong to any organized political party..... I'm a
> Democrat".
>
> Will Rogers
> -----------------------------------------------------